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jkphm
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-11-08 9:46 PM (#51285)
Subject: Kodiak, GMC 4500 thoughts?


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Has anyone here tried the Kodiak or 4500 for towing?  I hear they are stiff without the air ride, but I'm wondering how they compare to my current 98 Dodge cummins.  Looking for advice on power, braking, MPG and overall performance.  I pull a 5 horse aluminum. Thanks in advance!

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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-11-09 7:26 AM (#51292 - in reply to #51285)
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I answered this on pleasurehorse.com
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Slopony
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-11-09 9:00 AM (#51296 - in reply to #51285)
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Looked on PH and could not find it, could you give a link?

 

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hav2ride
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Posted 2006-11-09 10:37 AM (#51300 - in reply to #51296)
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I have a 2005 GMC4500 and tow a large LQ, 3' mid tack, 3H trailer. My trailer is on the heavy side and I found that a 1T struggled with the weight too much for me to be comfortable. I had an F450 but that thing left me on the side of the road WAY too many times!! The 4500 won't pull much better than a 1T with a 4:30 rear, which isn't available in CHevy and is a special order for Ford, but it is a VERY solid tow ride. The cab ride is not good, even with air ride rear and air ride seats but it is a truck. I've heard the ride is improved with air ride front suspension. Fuel mileage is not great, 8 - 10 towing, but when you tow large, you need to give up some things. It is NOT a daily driver because of the size. Really though, if you are only towing a 5H aluminum W/O an LQ, you really don't need to go to a bigger truck. A 1T would be fine. But stick with a Chevy, not a Ford unless it is the 7.3.
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3yrHitch2Bumper
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2006-11-10 9:03 AM (#51331 - in reply to #51285)
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JUNK!!!!!
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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2006-11-10 10:54 AM (#51334 - in reply to #51285)
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 3yrbumperhitchperson, I'm a total dumb^$$, so how about "splainin" JUNK!!! to me. Is it the Kodiak, 4500, the 98 dodge, the 5 horse aluminum trailer....................?
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3yrHitch2Bumper
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2006-11-10 12:36 PM (#51339 - in reply to #51334)
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Kodiak C4500......Sorry for not being more specific.....
It just seems that the larger percentage of people who buys one of these trucks for 70-80K, needs to trade it off and take a 15 to 20K hit because it just does not do the job they thought it would.....it's just an oversized dually !!! I am sure I am going to stir this thread up by stating this opinion...but ,of well....I see it everyday.....once you get over the 14 to 16K range in pulling weight, the truck turns into a dog....I guess everything has it's own application....nice idea at the time for GM...not holding value now in the open market....AND...If it does not have air on the cab it really takes a hit on trade !!!! WELL...looking forward to seeing to feedback to this post.....
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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2006-11-10 1:12 PM (#51340 - in reply to #51285)
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3yr, how do they pull compaired to a F-450? I know they got the D-max gated back to 300 hp on the 4500, 5500 trucks. My guess is they are trying to save the engine and transmission for the long haul. Looks like they kept the HP down and tried to make it up with tire diameter and gearing. Just wondering, I haven't had any dealings with them and don't know anyone that has one. 14,000/16,000#. I could pull that much with my old 3500, and yes it would be a dog, but I don't got $60,000.00 tied up in it either, rather have a 4400LP FARMALL!
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-11-10 1:16 PM (#51341 - in reply to #51340)
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I had an F450 and it towed great... when it ran.
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jkphm
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-11-10 7:22 PM (#51357 - in reply to #51339)
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You are not the first person who has mentioned that the kodiaks are just a beefed up dually.  That is why I'd like to get as many opinions as possible before spending the money.  I'm starting to think I'd be better off going with another Dodge with the cummins and just add an exhaust brake.  I have no complaints with the power of my 98, after 180k towing miles, but I am also on my 3rd tranny (5 speed).  Lots of folks are saying that the automatics are fine these days, I just come from the old school of feeling the need for a manual to pull a big load.  Thanks for everyones comments.  Keep them coming please.
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Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-11-11 6:53 AM (#51368 - in reply to #51340)
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Originally written by retento on 2006-11-10 1:12 PM

3yr, how do they pull compaired to a F-450? I know they got the D-max gated back to 300 hp on the 4500, 5500 trucks. My guess is they are trying to save the engine and transmission for the long haul. Looks like they kept the HP down and tried to make it up with tire diameter and gearing. Just wondering, I haven't had any dealings with them and don't know anyone that has one. 14,000/16,000#. I could pull that much with my old 3500, and yes it would be a dog, but I don't got $60,000.00 tied up in it either, rather have a 4400LP FARMALL!



The 300 HP thing is more about "commercial duty" than anything.
Less HP, more weight, stiffer sprung truck, less manuverable... in exchange for a "heftier" tow vehicle. I've looked, looked and looked, but the 1 ton is a hard category to beat or grow out of/away from (-:
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-11-11 10:14 AM (#51370 - in reply to #51368)
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"Less HP, more weight, stiffer sprung truck, less manuverable... in exchange for a "heftier" tow vehicle. I've looked, looked and looked, but the 1 ton is a hard category to beat or grow out of/away from (-:"

The statement about less manuverable is false. The 4500 has a better turning radius than a 1T. Yes, they are stiffer sprung, but if you need to carry a lot of weight, you'd have to beef up the 1T anyhow. The less HP is true buy I have less trouble going up hills now than I did with my 7.3 Ford. Gearing makes a huge difference. More weight is true but the heavier truck makes the rig more stable. I really notice a difference when hauling in the pouring rain. The rig feels solid and very controlled. The big issue here is that he doesn't really need a 4500 for a 5H aluminum trailer without an LQ.
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Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-11-11 9:16 PM (#51375 - in reply to #51370)
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Originally written by hav2ride on 2006-11-11 10:14 AM

"Less HP, more weight, stiffer sprung truck, less manuverable... in exchange for a "heftier" tow vehicle. I've looked, looked and looked, but the 1 ton is a hard category to beat or grow out of/away from (-:"

The statement about less manuverable is false. The 4500 has a better turning radius than a 1T. Yes, they are stiffer sprung, but if you need to carry a lot of weight, you'd have to beef up the 1T anyhow. The less HP is true buy I have less trouble going up hills now than I did with my 7.3 Ford. Gearing makes a huge difference. More weight is true but the heavier truck makes the rig more stable. I really notice a difference when hauling in the pouring rain. The rig feels solid and very controlled. The big issue here is that he doesn't really need a 4500 for a 5H aluminum trailer without an LQ.


I'll have to get the turning circle spec, "between walls" is more interesting to me than "between kerbs". OK, between barns, fences, ditches, etc. BTW, I had a little scrunch with the trailer one time and a motel low roof line, the (1 ton) truck ducked underneath it but the trailer caught it )-:
The roof came off second best, but I still wished it hadn't happened.
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-11-12 8:19 AM (#51381 - in reply to #51375)
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Well, they are wide but really no wider than a dually, just wide the WHOLE way back! I didn't have any trouble adjusting to the width and height, it's kind of nice being up high so you can see everything, but I would not recommend it if it will be your daily ride! As for reliablity, only time will tell. So far it's gotten me there and back without any issues. Like I said in another post though, it was HOW Ford, not the dealer, handled my situation that really ticked me off. So, in return, I plan on letting everyone know about it!
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brushycreekranch
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2006-11-12 8:30 AM (#51382 - in reply to #51285)
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I was lucky enough to get to test drive  the GMC 4500, the Ford Super Cruiser, a mini pete and freightliner, all at the same dealer. My favorite was the freightliner sportchassis, so I first bought a used one to make sure I was going to be happy with it. I liked it so much, that I went back the next month and bought a new M2 Sportchassis. My dealer gave me every $$$$ back on the used one and honored the price he gave on the new one the month prior. No regrets. The truck preforms very well and Sportchassis is one of the best companies to deal with.

Sportchassis is owned by Chrysler. I had several dodge dually's that had tranny issues so I went to the Duramax dually in 2002. We still have the Duramax and use it as a farm truck. But I prefer to pull my LQ trailer with the M2. I travel all over and alot of times I am hauling by myself. I get out of the rig more refreshed and not so road weary. The great visiblity is a factor as is the braking ability. The only downside to the M2 that I had to get over was the price.

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Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2006-11-12 2:28 PM (#51388 - in reply to #51285)
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I've had a 2004 Kodiak 4500 for about a year now. Regardless of other opinions expressed here, there is absolutely no comparison between pulling with it and a dually. It is far superior in stability and braking than any dually out there. The exhaust brake option makes all the difference in the world if you pull in the mountains any at all. It is so much less stressful to be pulling with something this "heavy". Granted it would be a much more popular truck with a more powerful motor. Most people elect to put performance chips on them. Mine is chipped and has more power than I need. I pulled up Black Mountain in NC (6% grade I think) a couple of weeks ago easily running 45-50 MPH. Going down I simply took my foot off the gas and let the exhaust brake work. I only had to tap the regular brakes a time or two all the way down. It was awesome! We use mine to pull both heavy equipment on a flatbed and a LQ trailer (steel frame so somewhat heavy). Now, the ride isn't the best but as long as you don't expect it to ride like a cadalliac it's fine. It's not something you want to drive across a bumpy field or down a dirt road. On the interstates it's fine. Mine has air ride seats but not air ride cab. It definetly rides better loaded tham empty. It handles just as good and actually turns tighter than my previous Dodge 4x4 3500. You can actually park it in a regular spot but it's pretty tight. I've even been known to take mine through a drive through or two, LOL!

A very valuable place to learn more about these trucks, and hear about their flaws, is the diesel place forum. www.thediselplace.com, scroll down to the medium duty forum. A lot of guys have had problems with these trucks, many are minor issues but a few have been serious. There are also issues with tags and weight and insurance because this is a medium duty truck and is a whole different class of truck. Mine has weighted farm tags at 26000#. Feel free to email me if you have other questions. I personally LOVE my truck but have to admit I'm a little nervous about having issues with it after the warranty runs out.

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3yrHitch2Bumper
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2006-11-13 9:22 AM (#51414 - in reply to #51382)
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WELL....we need to clear the air real quick....Freightliner is not own'd by Chrysler....they are own'd by Mercedes....just like Chrysler is....Mercedes is coming into the American diesel market strong due the the fact that Cummings and CAT are having problems with their "07" low sulfur programs...The 6 cyl.inline Mercedes diesel in the M2 Freightliner Sport Chassis trucks is housed with a 6 spd automatic Allison TRV 3200 series tranny and is throwing 1000 ft lbs of torque to the rear tires !!...NOW....this takes me back to the C4500....we all should know it is TORQUE,NOT HP that your pulling comes from...SO, if the "oversized 1 tons" out there are not throwing anymore torque than the 1 tons, how can they be better ??? THEY CAN'T !! You run a 7% grade in a 600 ft lb torque truck and you will be pissed off by the time you get to the top.(45-50 MPH)...NOW, you pull that same 7% gade with a 1000 ft lb torque truck...LOVIN LIFE !!! do it with 18000 lbs behind ya !!! STILL LOVIN LIFE !! The C4500 series trucks are really OK for only certain application....they all need air ride cabs for 1...2 they should be throwing more torque than they do...and 3, do something with the "log wagon" ride they give ya....
It does not surprise me to hear that the M2 Sport Chassis is the best riding truck that someone test drove....I see it everyday!!! I have drove them all...C4500,F650,3500's,Pete's etc....I would put a M2 Freightliner Sport Chassis against anything is it's class for comfort,ride,pulling & turning radius....Step Up and Buy One ....if you have own'd more than 3 duallies in the last 5 years, your Freightliner would almost be paid off by now....Think about it.....Quit throwing money away....IM me if you have anymore questions....
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2006-11-13 10:26 AM (#51416 - in reply to #51414)
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Originally written by 3yrHitch2Bumper on 2006-11-13 9:22 AM

You run a 7% grade in a 600 ft lb torque truck and you will be pissed off by the time you get to the top.(45-50 MPH)


if 7% at 45-50 mph pisses you off, you need to calm the hell down.

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3yrHitch2Bumper
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2006-11-13 12:21 PM (#51423 - in reply to #51416)
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WELL....wouldn't you rather pull that 7% at 65 MPH or better than at 45 MPH ??? Got your tranny cranked to it's max..being passed by everyone...tach is read lined...turbo is screamin...You must like that kind of stuff huh??? Sounds like a tone of fun to me...NOT!!!!

All of the above is nothing but a recipe for trashing a truck....and most people do it because they cannot justify the extra money for a bigger truck like a M2...so they deal with all of the above...and all of the repair bills that come with it....it already states in this thread,that the money is the issue on the M2 Sport Chassis trucks, not that they are know to be the BEST long term pulling truck on the market....RIGHT???

I bet you own a C4500 don't ya Chad ??? Like it or dislike it...be honest with us....Can't wait to hear this response....
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2006-11-13 1:09 PM (#51425 - in reply to #51423)
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I bet you own a C4500 don't ya Chad ??? Like it or dislike it...be honest with us....Can't wait to hear this response....


first, is my sig not showing on your computer? second, i guess you sell m2s? third, i was not refering to either truck, only to the common belief you have to fly up grades or you dont have a real truck. and comparing an m2 to a 4500/5500 is apples to oranges....the gm has a light duty powertrain. so i guess the question is, does the buyer have light or medium duty towing requirements?
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Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2006-11-15 10:49 AM (#51518 - in reply to #51285)
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I was really considering the kodiak until I went and test drove one over the weekend.  I liked the look of the truck but once I got inside the cab it didnt feel right to me.  The steering wheel felt choked up on the dash, the console had faded out and was placed so far up against the seat that the passengar chair arm would not even fold down.  I thought it may have been just the truck I looked at so went over and looked at several others and they seemed the same.   I decided to go ahead and drive it just to try it.  I did like the small turning radius and  I am sure the bigger brakes and exaust brake would make a huge difference pulling the trailer I have.  However,  I could not get over the fact that with so many things that I could see that I didnt like in the truck, I just had to question the craftmanship under the hood that I couldnt see.   I would have to agree with what was said earlier.  I think I will save a little more and try to find a used sportchassis.
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Too L Ranch
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2006-11-20 9:39 PM (#51734 - in reply to #51285)
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I really like the Kodiak Duramax C4500. Ours is a 2005 with a Cadet conversion. We tow a 14,000 lb LQ with it. Got air ride seats in front; ride isn't as nice as the 2500 Duramax, but it's OK. After all, it IS a truck! Longest haul I've done is 1200 miles. Got 9 mpg towing at 75 mph through the Utah and Nevada mountains. Not towing, it gets 11-12 mpg.

Only problem we've had is that it seems to eat fuel filters. I carry a spare along with a filter wrench. Have only needed to change it roadside once...
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jkphm
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-11-20 10:28 PM (#51738 - in reply to #51285)
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Thanks to everyone who has replied!  I'm beginning to think I should either go with another Dodge one ton with an exhaust brake or save my pennies for a sportchassis!    I appreciate everyones opinions!
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