Posted 2006-09-04 9:33 AM (#47825) Subject: My horse won't go!!!!!
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We got two horses in June of this year (a 12yr mare and a 12yr gelding) they are both being trained by the parelli method. Last night we rode the gelding western, and the problem is that he wouldn't walk on. He's fine being led around with a rider but when we unclip the leadrope he just stands there. We've asked nicely for him to walk on but then we tried to tab his sides, but stilll no luck. What should we do???????
Posted 2006-09-04 11:17 AM (#47830 - in reply to #47825) Subject: RE: My horse won't go!!!!!
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Posts: 25 Location: michigan
hi,
well first have to tried spurs or a whip? get off of him and walk him on the ground and every time to want him to walk tap him with a crop on his side and if he doesn't walk then each time u tap him a lil harder.
Posted 2006-09-04 1:07 PM (#47836 - in reply to #47825) Subject: RE: My horse won't go!!!!!
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Posts: 671 Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY)
Sounds like they have learned how not to be ridden.
If you have a round pen then work them in it first.If not a lounge line will work.
They don't respect you or look at you as a leader."Round penning for respect" use your rope or whip to get them moving and step behind the shoulder for the forward "GAS PEDAL" and in front of it for the "BRAKE"
I have used Parellie and the others for years,they are all somewhat the same but slight difference in presentation.
At any rate they need to respect you as a leader or they won't listen.If you can't move them and handle them on the ground, you won't be able to do it on their back.
Keep working at it you don't have to be "MEAN" just firm and it will get results.These guys are smart enough to know this works for them and they don't have to work.
Good luck,and remember have fun.If everything else fails there is the threat on horse meat,you could print it out and read it to them.. Ha Ha.
Posted 2006-09-04 2:57 PM (#47839 - in reply to #47825) Subject: RE: My horse won't go!!!!!
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Posts: 1205 Location: Danielsville Georgia
Boot them around in a tight circle.Then get the circle larger.Pull the head around to one side and use leg pressure on the same side.Maybe someone else can chime in and explain. Also a small crop and tap and ask with leg pressure with head turned in.As he moves off and you circle larger then get straight etc.
Posted 2006-09-05 3:57 AM (#47859 - in reply to #47825) Subject: RE: My horse won't go!!!!!
Location: Del Mar, CA
These are good suggestions. I've watched a number of these roundpen guys at equine affaires and such. They all have something to offer and I've learned something from all of them. What most of them have that we don't see is a "presence" that trainers have. Pay attention to your own demeanor and confidence, no matter which technique you use, go for a "well, of course my horse is going to do this it's no big deal" attitude. It also helps sometimes to plan exactly what you are going to do in one session, and how you are going to do it, one very small goal and then quit, but do that one small thing in a relaxed, self-assured manner that gives the horse the feeling that you are in charge. The smallest thing he does because he respects you, is more important than something he does because HE has decided he's in the mood to do it. Have fun! :)))))
Posted 2006-09-05 9:51 AM (#47878 - in reply to #47825) Subject: RE: My horse won't go!!!!!
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Another thing to try is to back them up where you want to go. They'll get tired of going everywhere backwards pretty fast and decide that it is easier to walk forward. You didn't say what kind of bit and saddle you are using. If you are using a strong bit, you might try a snaffle and see what happens and check your saddle fit, just in case.
Does this behavior happen with different riders, are only with a given rider?
Posted 2006-09-05 3:54 PM (#47901 - in reply to #47825) Subject: RE: My horse won't go!!!!!
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Backing is a bad idea if you are asking for forward motion.... That just teaches you horse to start backing up when they don't want to do something... I know this because my first horse had the problem (when i got her). If your horse isn't moving forward, that is what you need to begin with.... I think round penning is a good idea, but really doesn't seem like that NEEDs to happen at this point (but roundpenning is a great supplement).
If your horse wont go when You 'suggest' him to, tell him to.... If he still doesn't go, DEMAND him to. Use you legs, then heals/spurs, then if those don't work, give him a tap on the butt with your split reins... Tap goes to wack.... if there is still no progress... Then you will need to start from the ground.
When you suggest, tell, demand, make sure to give the horse his head.... when he moves forward don't "take" his head away from him.... Keep moving forward... LOTS of reward for that.. You have to throw everything else out the window until he can move forward freely... I mean, don't worry about head set, collection etc etc.... the name of th egame is forward... if he wants to run, let him.... Once you get free forward motion, then you can start working on other things.
Posted 2006-09-05 11:06 PM (#47923 - in reply to #47825) Subject: RE: My horse won't go!!!!!
Location: KY
What is the history of these two 12 year old horses? What have they been doing all their lives? You mention they are being trained to the Parelli method; had they not had any training? Were they "greenbroke" at 12 or not broke at all? Are you sure they understand what you want them to do?
Posted 2006-09-06 12:15 AM (#47927 - in reply to #47923) Subject: RE: My horse won't go!!!!!
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One other thing is to make sure nothing is making them uncomfortable when you are mounted up. Does the saddle fit well? Nothing pinching in the cinch? I only mention that because they sound like they're moving out okay under an empty saddle. You can never rule out a health issue, like sore back, or poorly fitting saddle, but they're probably just spoiled by past owners, and have learned to avoid work by refusing to move.
I rode a horse once that would spin in circles as fast as she could go if you tried to get her to go forward... apparently the owner had spun her to try to get feet moving when she refused to go forward. End result was that the horse reeeeally overreacted and became a spinner and nothing but a spinner. It was weird. Like watching a dog chase it's tail... So, while I might turn my young horse to get it to move it;s feet so I can begin the act of moving forward, I am reluctant now to tell anybody to spin or circle their horse to correct a bad habit, lest you create a worse habit.
Posted 2006-09-06 8:48 AM (#47941 - in reply to #47825) Subject: RE: My horse won't go!!!!!
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Sorry, don't mean to offend but what is YOUR riding experience?
If you are a beginner then you need to expertise of a good trainer.
It doesn't matter if the horse was trained by the top trainer in the world, if YOU don't know how to use "cues" properly then you'll confuse the horse.
If you are above the beginner level then I would double check all the tack to make sure nothing is pinching or hurting. If all is ok, then try taking one rein and softly pull the head to one side and hold. He will eventually take a step. Repeat as neceassary.
I would refrain from spurs or whips until you figure out where your horse is at in terms of training.
Sometimes if you got a "cold-backed" animal, they won't move until they are warmed up in a round pen or lounging.
Posted 2006-09-08 12:34 AM (#48102 - in reply to #47825) Subject: RE: My horse won't go!!!!!
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Location: Boaz,Ky
If you have a friend that rides well and you trust, how about asking she/he to try riding your horses? Maybe the horse has had some weird sort of cue taught to him. Did you ride him before you bought him? Call the former owner and ask for help. Had a super gentle colt a few years ago.Sent him to our trainer. I had been on him once ,after ground work and eased him around the round pen. Any how, trainer was sitting on the colt when a friend came by."How's that colt ride?" was asked. "Don't know,but if you come and lead him a bit maybe we'll both know." So,the buddy lead him a couple of steps,colt got the idea and went on from there to be a super riding horse. And the trainer was a very,very good trainer.Colt was just lazy at first. At 12 however...,Could be he has learned a bad habit. My first horse took me to the pea patch and back.Spun,bucked,ran backwards,rubbed rider on fence,bit,cowkicked,and would finally run off. Later found out that the nice fat gelding had been a stud until 8,we got him at 9,and his former owner had not been able to ride him for 3 years due to back problems and let "friends" ride him.Smart old horse learned how to get people off and go back to pasture!! Good luck and hope you all find the "go" button.
Posted 2006-09-08 8:44 AM (#48113 - in reply to #47825) Subject: RE: My horse won't go!!!!!
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there is a lot of good advice here and
a lot of questions have you tried rideing with the other horse to see if he will walk out if he will let him know that is what you want him to do good luck
Posted 2006-09-10 2:25 PM (#48239 - in reply to #47825) Subject: RE: My horse won't go!!!!!
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I have to second checking the saddle fit.
Also, if this horse has been trained to be ridden by the rider using the seat, you might want to try (even if you don't feel you are holding the reins too tight) dropping the reins. I'm serious. I was at a roping years ago and one of the Mexican trainers at a team roping a friend of mine was competing at, let me ride his horse and all I did was pick up the reins (or so I thought) and the horse was backing up, eeeee. I dropped the reins, repicked them up, left them very loopy and concentrated on my seat. What a nice ride. Funny thing was he let this other lady, because she insisted after seeing me get to ride him, get on that horse and she never did anything but back him up. hehehee
Otherwise, if you can rule out all those other things, perhaps if you have a vet that does chiropractic with horses, have him/her check him out to rule out back issues, teeth, or other possible soundness issues, before doing anything drastic. If it is tack or back issues or perhaps something being missed elsewhere, forcing the issue of not moving before fixing it could result in a horse that's problem is not moving and turn it into one of bucking or worse.
Posted 2006-09-29 9:14 AM (#49347 - in reply to #47825) Subject: RE: My horse won't go!!!!!
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A horse who won't move is telling you 1 of 2 things: 1. I can't move because I hurt or 2. I don't understand what you want me to do.
The first thing you need to do is make sure the horse is comfortable and sound to "Go". Have you had a vet check for soundness, teeth problems, etc?
Once you are cleared from the vet, you need to check your tack. An ill fitting saddle may cause the most keen horse to stop in its tracks! Ask your vet or even better get a qualified saddle fitter to see what's going on.
If you're sure there are no physical issues causing the problem, I would recommend that you get a professional trainer involved.
It is just not possible to learn how to train a horse off of a video. Horses learn from consistency and if your horse is very green, it is crucial that he not get mixed signals.
Getting rough with a green horse would be the same thing as yelling at a person who doesn't speak English. They aren't going to understand any better and will only leave the situation afraid and it will be even worse the next time you try.