Posted 2005-07-19 7:37 AM (#28227) Subject: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Posts: 91 Location: South Carolina
I am interested in finding out which one would be better to haul an aluminum living quarters gooseneck trailer (either 3 or 4 horse slant load without a slide-out on it). I am considering a manual transmission in the truck that I get. Also, the truck I get will have 4 full-sized doors on it. I am not interested in a Chevy diesel. Also, I am not interested in the new Ford 6-liter diesel - too many problems with their new engine. What advantages & or disadvantages does each one have? What types of problems has anyone had with each of these? Are there any areas of concern that I would need to look for when looking at either one of these models? The one I get will not be brand new. I don't see any reason for paying all of the extra money, when one that is a year old is just as good, but about $8,000+ cheaper.
Posted 2005-07-19 8:53 AM (#28236 - in reply to #28227) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Supposedly the Ford has more "hip room" than the Dodge or Chevvy/GM (which you've already discounted anyway).
Translation: The Dodge is a bit narrower, the Ford is a better fit for...
people who need wider seats.
You might be able to avoid the Ford's 6.0 engine problems by going to the 7.3, but there seems to be at least SOME anecdotal evidence that the trannies aren't "3 or 4 horse trailer rated".
Posted 2005-07-19 9:08 AM (#28238 - in reply to #28227) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Posts: 195 Location: Atlanta, GA
Ford has more room inside, but I personally like the Dodge. Good luck finding a good deal on a Ford. I have always been a Ford lover until 2003, They started having towing troubles so we tried the Dodge. We now own 3 Dodges and we love them and will not be going back to a Ford.
With all the discounts right now you might can buy a New truck cheaper than you can a used one.
WARNING!!: Stay away from the 2003 model Ford.. Or you may have problems towing.. They have had a huge problem with the trucks and trailers bucking or back lashing.. The heavier the load the worse the problem.
Posted 2005-07-19 9:17 AM (#28240 - in reply to #28227) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Posts: 634 Location: Tipton, IN
If you want 4 full size doors, and Ford and Ddge are your choices you have to go with Ford. Sit in the back of a Dodge then sit in the back of the Ford. My extended cab Ford has as much room as a Dodge "CrewCab". And in 2003 they did have some bucking issues on Fords with trailers. Get a 2002, which is the last generation 7.3, and a 6 speed tranny. Dodge doesn't make a bad truck, but it is not as wide, and it does not have the interior room of the Ford.
Posted 2005-07-19 1:36 PM (#28262 - in reply to #28227) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Posts: 1719 Location: PA
Before you go buying a truck, figure out exactly what type and weight trailer you will be hauling. You see lots of people hauling big trailers with 350's and, legally, they should not be.
Posted 2005-07-19 2:39 PM (#28265 - in reply to #28227) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Posts: 634 Location: Tipton, IN
Boy I hate to admit it, but I agree. What the size of your trailer is will determine a lot. An 02 F-350 CC 4x4 dually with 6 speed tranny is rated for 12,400 pounds gooseneck towing. So if you get a reasonable sized LQ in a 3 horse, say 10ft LQ, all aluminum it is going to weigh around 8000-8500 pounds empty. So add three 1000 pound critters, and 1000 pounds of tack, food, clothes, water and hay and you are still good to go by the "Legal" numbers. Larger than that, and you are on to a Sport Chasis baby semi, or up to an F-450. WHich still comes in 4x4, but the bed cost extra!
Posted 2005-07-19 3:03 PM (#28266 - in reply to #28227) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Posts: 28 Location: decatur,ms
I own a 2003 F-350 4x4 with the 6.0 and i love it.I pull a 3 horse with full LQ with slideout and never had any of the "bucking" problems yall talk about here.It has the auto trans,i get good fuel milage and it is no problem running 70 on the interstate loaded.Just my opion though.
Posted 2005-07-19 4:12 PM (#28270 - in reply to #28240) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Posts: 225 Location: Kansas City
Originally written by efaubert1 on 2005-07-19 9:17 AM
If you want 4 full size doors, and Ford and Ddge are your choices you have to go with Ford. Sit in the back of a Dodge then sit in the back of the Ford. My extended cab Ford has as much room as a Dodge "CrewCab".
Posted 2005-07-19 5:12 PM (#28273 - in reply to #28227) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Posts: 1723 Location: michigan
we have a 00 PSD F250. Its been a pretty good truck. I pull a 3H trailer. does the job. I have seen people pulling 8ft SW 3-4 H trailers with what your looking at. I don't think jails are filling up with these people either....
Posted 2005-07-20 7:03 AM (#28291 - in reply to #28227) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Posts: 87 Location: Virginia
I have an 02 3500 and love it. The cummins has plenty of power for pulling my 4 horse gn, the only downfall to ours is it is the Quad Cab and not the Crew Cab (but we are gonna fix that - new one on the way). Just a little note for those who are thinking about buying a new dodge - Farm Bureau (sp.) members get an additional $500 off the purchase of new dodge vehicles. AQHA members get money off of Ford trucks, but never heard how much though.
Posted 2005-07-20 7:56 AM (#28296 - in reply to #28293) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Posts: 27 Location: michigan
This question is a bit off the original subject, however the subject of fines for over weight has come up again. I agree that there are people pulling things that they shouldn't be, you see them every day. But most of these are the suv's pulling the Queen Mary to the lake, not the personal use horse trailer. In this part of the country, the horsey sets' "need" for a dually usually has them with more truck than they need. Where, what states, have the time or resources to hassle the personal use horse hauler???
Posted 2005-07-20 8:14 AM (#28297 - in reply to #28296) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Originally written by HOGMAN on 2005-07-20 8:56 AM
This question is a bit off the original subject, however the subject of fines for over weight has come up again. I agree that there are people pulling things that they shouldn't be, you see them every day. But most of these are the suv's pulling the Queen Mary to the lake, not the personal use horse trailer. In this part of the country, the horsey sets' "need" for a dually usually has them with more truck than they need. Where, what states, have the time or resources to hassle the personal use horse hauler???
"personal" use being the key, few if any.........it is alot more economical to grab the car that is running 20 over the limit and just jumped across 3 lanes.
Posted 2005-07-20 12:52 PM (#28307 - in reply to #28227) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Posts: 32 Location: Brazil, IN
I understand what you mean about the 6.0 fords with the "new engine" problems, we were skeptical of that too until we bought an 04 F-350 dually, 4x4 with the 6.0. We haven't had any problems, except deer jumping infront of us. It pulls our 36' 3H Sooner with 17' LQ just fine, and to my knowledge, leagally. The 7.3 liter doesn't have the pulling power, but if that's what you want, you are writng the check. I would definitly go for a ford over a dodge on the back seat leg room! Happy shopping!
Posted 2005-07-20 1:25 PM (#28308 - in reply to #28296) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Posts: 1719 Location: PA
Hogman, I know people who pull horse trailers with LQs that have gotten fines in PA and MA. The DOTs in those states ARE looking at the truck & trailer people now. Plus, if you do tow overweight, your insurance is pretty much worthless.
Posted 2005-07-20 2:06 PM (#28311 - in reply to #28227) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Posts: 634 Location: Tipton, IN
Oh my God, what did they do back in the day, when all you had was a 1ton with a 454 in a Cheby, or a 460 in a Ford that were only rated for about 9000 pounds and horse trailers were ALL STEEL and an LQ trailer weighed 8 or 9000 alone?
They pulled it down the road, that's what they did. Not saying it was right, but they did it. Manufacturers didn't even HAVE towing capacity guides back then. Unlike truckers hauling freight, WE have a vested intrest in the cargo and are most likely more alert than the other drivers around us for the most part. I bet less than one percent of the accidents involving horse trailers are the trailer tow vehicle drivers fault. Again, it doesn't make it right, just an observation. Ever seen a 1972 Monte Carlo pulling a 4 horse straight load BP? I have, though only in pictures and 8mm film at my in-laws. Now there is some serious under-trucking friends.
Posted 2005-07-20 5:39 PM (#28327 - in reply to #28227) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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Back in June we were truck shopping for a used Dodge dually but with the employee discount we were able to buy a brand new one cheaper so we went with the new one. Called around on a saturday searching and bought one the following wed. New ones are easier to find in this part of the country. we searched for 8 months last time we were looking for a used truck. Love the dodge dually with 6 speed. we pull a 10 ft 3 h aluminum trailer. pulls it like a dream. go with the dodge, this makes our third dodge diesel.
Posted 2005-07-22 4:44 PM (#28460 - in reply to #28273) Subject: RE: F-350 4x4 Dually 7.3 Liter Power Stroke VS. Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually Cummings Turbo Diesel...
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48 Farmbabe,that is the funniest remark I've seen on that subject to date!I guess it depends on the state.Here,I asked a state man about this.He looked at me like I was crazy and said,"what??" I know it's coming to that,tho.For what it's worth,we traded our Ford PSD for a Chevy dually.Both were diesels.We(I esp.)Loved the Ford,but needed a dually,and Ford couldn't match Chevy's deal at that time.
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