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OakGroveRider
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2012-09-29 9:22 PM (#147321)
Subject: Replacing an axel


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Hello-

I recently purchased a 1999 Adam steel 2 horse gooseneck trailer. It’s a great trailer for me. It is 7’ high, 6’ wide and 21’ long. The GVWR is 7000 with 2, 3500 axels. It has a normal amount of light surface rust, but the floor is solid, we’ve started to patch it up and it hauls behind my 2010 Dodge 1500 just great.

Once I got it home, I saw that the front tire on the driver’s side has unusual wear compared to the others… it is balding on the outer edge and looks a little wonky. I was looking at tire wear pictures at Wally-world and noticed that the wear pattern I saw on the trailer fit in the “possible mechanical difficulty” range… A diesel mechanic friend looked at it and felt it was probably a bent axel.  

I called an alignment shop in Clarksville, TN (where I live) to see if they could bend the axel back in line or fix it as well as replace the tired for me.

They can – the shop owner suggested that replacing the axel(s) would be cheaper and safer in the long run.  

Okay- so, do I have to replace both if only one looks off, or is is better to just replace both?

How do I know what size axel(s) to order, and are there any reliable suppliers you all could recommend?

Is this somethng an alignment shop has to do, or could a regular mechanic do it? Is there a better option (othr than selling the trailer!)?

I can take a picture if you need it.

Thanks!

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2012-09-30 1:32 PM (#147330 - in reply to #147321)
Subject: RE: Replacing an axel


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How many miles a month do you tow with this trailer?....How old is this worn tire?...Has it been on the trailer since it was purchased(1999)?...If so, then just haul with it, with a new tire first...you may find that you may just have a SLIGHT axle problem that will be adequate for your towing needs...and the wear on the tire will NOT be a problem...since traile tires should be replaced due to age before wear in most cases.

Edited by PaulChristenson 2012-09-30 1:33 PM
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OakGroveRider
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2012-09-30 6:20 PM (#147334 - in reply to #147321)
Subject: RE: Replacing an axel


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Location: Oak Grove, KY

Great thoughts- thanks-

 

According to the paperwork that came with the trailer, the tires were purchased in 2006- and should be replaced anyway, especially since they're Carlisles.

From what I understand from conversations- I did not know the owner before the purchase, so I can't be sure of the information- The previous owner had the trailer since 1999 and hauled an average of 2x a month, but mostly within the state... not huge trips...some camping, some showing. I don't think she used it much 6-8 months becasue she purchased an aluminum to replace this one.

I want to haul 1-2 times a month- mostly for local shows (within 80 miles) and lessons/clinics (within 50 miles).

The passenger side tires look so much better... here are some pictures.

I appreciate the insight!

 

 

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2012-09-30 6:56 PM (#147337 - in reply to #147321)
Subject: RE: Replacing an axel



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I had the axle on my trailer straighten in the late fall of 2010.  It has held up just fine for almost two years. So I wouldn't just accept the replace instead of straighten.

It cost me $80 per axle to get my straightened and aligned. It is cheap enough to try and if it doesn't work, Then you can buy/replace the axle.

If you want to replace yours, Just get a replacement 3500lb axle,

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OakGroveRider
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2012-09-30 7:38 PM (#147339 - in reply to #147321)
Subject: RE: Replacing an axel


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Thanks Painted Horse, it's good to hear form someone who's been there.

I am having a difficult time convincing my husband that it would be best to replace all 4 tires just because of age... not having to replace an axle would help my cause quite a bit.

Do you all think a mechanic can do it, or do I have to take it to an alignment place?

Maybe I'll call a couple of places and try to price it out.

 

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2012-10-01 5:15 AM (#147351 - in reply to #147334)
Subject: RE: Replacing an axel


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Originally written by OakGroveRider on 2012-09-30 6:20 PM

Great thoughts- thanks-

 

According to the paperwork that came with the trailer, the tires were purchased in 2006- and should be replaced anyway, especially since they're Carlisles.

From what I understand from conversations- I did not know the owner before the purchase, so I can't be sure of the information- The previous owner had the trailer since 1999 and hauled an average of 2x a month, but mostly within the state... not huge trips...some camping, some showing. I don't think she used it much 6-8 months becasue she purchased an aluminum to replace this one.

I want to haul 1-2 times a month- mostly for local shows (within 80 miles) and lessons/clinics (within 50 miles).

The passenger side tires look so much better... here are some pictures.

I appreciate the insight!

 

 

So the owner has had this trailer sitting for 6 to 8 months unused?Six year old tires and that is all the wear there is on them...I might try replacing the tires and have the alignment checked...and if it is NOT too badly out of alignment...run it for six months, personally checking the wear after each trip...
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2012-10-01 8:48 AM (#147353 - in reply to #147321)
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I suspect you will need a shop that has an alignment rack. And one that is big enough to get the trailer on. For my large gooseneck, that ment a shop that focused on large truck alignments. 

They will attach the lazer light to each wheel and determine what is out of alignment before they bend it straight. The shop I went today, said it was pretty common problem with lighter boat axles.  Owners backing over curbs etc.

 



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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2012-10-01 9:01 AM (#147354 - in reply to #147321)
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May not be bent at all... I had one that was new that I thought was bent, but the spindle was welded on at he wrong angle instead... Mfg. swapped out a new axle along with new brakes and related hardware, tires and rims, trailer was under warranty.

  If I were you I would replace the tires before bending or trying to align the axles. It may be possible that it's a Carlisle tire related problem.... Rotate tire in a couple years and by the next rotatation they will need replacing again, tires will be aged out....

 

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OakGroveRider
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2012-10-01 6:33 PM (#147372 - in reply to #147321)
Subject: RE: Replacing an axel


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Thanks - I feel much better about the situation knowing other trailerists have looked at the photos.

Okay- after searching the forum, I am looking for LT tires.

I found some Firestone Destination LE2 - for a great price

http://www.tirebuyer.com/tires/firestone/destination-le2/p/tv107000426

They’re rated a 102 - 1874*4=7496. My trailer's GVWR is 7000. Is that okay or do I need to move up to 106 (2094)? Or, should I be looking at another factor altogether?

I could not find Retento's suggestions from another post in my size- 225/75/15

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

 

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2012-10-02 12:39 AM (#147375 - in reply to #147372)
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Originally written by OakGroveRider on 2012-10-01 6:33 PM

Thanks - I feel much better about the situation knowing other trailerists have looked at the photos.

Okay- after searching the forum, I am looking for LT tires.

I found some Firestone Destination LE2 - for a great price

http://www.tirebuyer.com/tires/firestone/destination-le2/p/tv107000426

They’re rated a 102 - 1874*4=7496. My trailer's GVWR is 7000. Is that okay or do I need to move up to 106 (2094)? Or, should I be looking at another factor altogether?

I could not find Retento's suggestions from another post in my size- 225/75/15

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

 

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?customSizeSearc...

Edited by PaulChristenson 2012-10-02 12:40 AM
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Kay
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2012-10-02 8:16 AM (#147385 - in reply to #147321)
Subject: RE: Replacing an axel


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You will want ST (trailer) tires, not P (passenger car) tires.  ST205 or ST225.
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2012-10-02 3:35 PM (#147393 - in reply to #147375)
Subject: RE: Replacing an axel


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Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2012-10-02 12:39 AM

Originally written by OakGroveRider on 2012-10-01 6:33 PM

Thanks - I feel much better about the situation knowing other trailerists have looked at the photos.

Okay- after searching the forum, I am looking for LT tires.

I found some Firestone Destination LE2 - for a great price

http://www.tirebuyer.com/tires/firestone/destination-le2/p/tv107000426

They’re rated a 102 - 1874*4=7496. My trailer's GVWR is 7000. Is that okay or do I need to move up to 106 (2094)? Or, should I be looking at another factor altogether?

I could not find Retento's suggestions from another post in my size- 225/75/15

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

 

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?customSizeSearc... you go to the page...eliminate everything but the load ranges of C and D The load range filters are on the left side
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OakGroveRider
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2012-10-02 8:41 PM (#147396 - in reply to #147321)
Subject: RE: Replacing an axel


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Thanks PaulChristenson (and Kay)- the filter was a great tool. I am just not sure I want "trailer" tires.

I really think gard and others make some good points about American made, LT tires vs. ST tires. I’ve had some scary experiences with re-treads and Carlisle’s having blowouts on a friend’s stock trailer- before I had my own. But, it was always in the heat of summer, and I can’t say she took great care of her trailer tires - maybe it was user fault more than tire type…  

I know on the tirebuyer site I found, the Firestone are listed as "P" - but they don't have a "P" on tireack.com and they are considered a truck/SUV tire on the Firestone site. Do I have to find a tire that has “LT” on the sidewall?

Or, do I really need ST tires- I am not hauling far, and I have the smaller, 15”, rim- maybe ST tires would be fine for me. As long as they’re not Carlisle’s, maybe an ST tire is best.

I just have this nagging voice telling me to go with an LT.  

If the tires rated 102 aren’t enough for my 7000 GVWR trailer, I was looking at these tires rated at 106- http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=Scorpion+STR+A&partnum=275R5SCORSTROWLXL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

Am I barking up the wrong tree altogether?

 

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2012-10-04 12:29 PM (#147439 - in reply to #147321)
Subject: RE: Replacing an axel


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You can go LT...ST has a firmer sidewall...
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