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savvygal
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2011-01-11 6:36 PM (#128807)
Subject: need opinions on safety-hitch


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Anyone have any experience with these? http://www.safety-hitch.com/

Does anyone know how this would affect the pin weight of the goosenect to the truck ?

I understand the standard 'formula' is to expect it to be approx 20 % of loaded trailer weight, which is generally too much for the 150/1500 series of trucks. (as apposed to 10-15% of (lighter weight) bumper pull trailers.

Is the safety-hitch a magic bullet to be able to pull a gooseneck safely with a 'lighter' truck ?

THANKS! from a towing newbie---very little experience and on a steep learning curve !

 



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cutter99
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2011-01-11 7:21 PM (#128812 - in reply to #128807)
Subject: RE: need opinions on safety-hitch


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I would rather invest my money in a heavy duty truck than in one of these. Have you seen the cost???
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2011-01-11 8:45 PM (#128814 - in reply to #128807)
Subject: RE: need opinions on safety-hitch


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When they first came out...The Automated Safety Hitch(TM) economy unit is available for $5,900.00. The basic unit is offered with a U.S. MSRP of $7,250.00 while the Joe Jamieson Deluxe Unit is offered with a U.S. MSRP of $8,750.00. I don't know if the prices have gone up...
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hosspuller
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Posted 2011-01-11 10:06 PM (#128816 - in reply to #128807)
Subject: RE: need opinions on safety-hitch


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Originally written by savvygal on 2011-01-11 3:36 PM

Does anyone know how this would affect the pin weight of the goosenect to the truck ?

Is the safety-hitch a magic bullet to be able to pull a gooseneck safely with a 'lighter' truck ?

THANKS! from a towing newbie---very little experience and on a steep learning curve !

 

Since the trailer hitch weight is on the safety-hitch, there is no hitch weight on the truck....

BUT !!!  it doesn't change the max Combined Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.  So if your 1/2 ton truck has a max CGVWR of 10,000 pounds, Your 5500 pound truck can still only pull a loaded 3500 pound trailer (guessing the safety-hitch system weighs 1000 pounds)

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hornet
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2011-01-12 5:53 AM (#128825 - in reply to #128807)
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There would be some pin weight on the truck since the trailer hitch is slight ahead of the axle. But I would be concerned about the stress on the truck frame. Instead of the normal pull on the frame, the stress is now being put on the end of the frame rails and leveraging that tow rig out on the turns. Looks way more complicated and more to fail. You'd also be giving up all the advantages of a goosneck, weight on the front axle that helps control the vehicle.

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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2011-01-12 9:09 AM (#128829 - in reply to #128807)
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Mr. Truck review.. http://www.mrtrailer.com/safetyhitch.htm

And this one for the bumper pull users... Would probably work good with my heavy tongue bumper pull behind the ML350.... http://www.mrtrailer.com/hellya.htm

 

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savvygal
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2011-01-12 9:32 AM (#128832 - in reply to #128807)
Subject: RE: need opinions on safety-hitch


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Thanks for the well thought replies.

Yikes! that is pricey..........could buy the extra gas for a bigger truck for quite a while......

Yes, I realized the weight of the safety-hitch would need to be included in the GCWR, which might be a deal breaker on it's own.

Thanks again, very helpful information and ideas.

 

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camper101
Reg. Feb 2011
Posted 2011-02-17 10:42 PM (#130446 - in reply to #128825)
Subject: RE: need opinions on safety-hitch


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Originally written by hornet on 2011-01-12 3:53 AM

There would be some pin weight on the truck since the cheap trailer hitch is slight ahead of the axle. But I would be concerned about the stress on the truck frame. Instead of the normal pull on the frame, the stress is now being put on the end of the frame rails and leveraging that tow rig out on the turns. Looks way more complicated and more to fail. You'd also be giving up all the advantages of a goosneck, weight on the front axle that helps control the vehicle.


Your right. Of course the stress that truck frame will endure will depend on the pull on the frame itself.

When towing a trailer with a standard ball mount, all the trailer's tongue weight is transferred to the tow vehicle. Since the trailer hitch is attached to the vehicle frame, the additional weight in the rear will lower the back end of the vehicle while raising the front end. This means that the rear axle will be handling not only the trailer tongue weight but the additional load of the weight being transferred from the front axle. Less weight on the front axle can cause diminished performance, decreases in steering, traction and stopping and simultaneously increase trailer sway. (source: etrailer.com)



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loveduffy
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2011-02-18 11:47 AM (#130466 - in reply to #128807)
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Is this legal in all state or is it a tandem hook up ??
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gonzo1066
Reg. Oct 2010
Posted 2011-02-18 9:23 PM (#130484 - in reply to #128807)
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The concept for the GN trailer seems a bit hinkey to me.    I prefer to have pin weight on the drive axle of the truck.  This seems to work rather well on 99.99% of the class 8 semi tractors on the road world wide. 
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Newfman
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2011-09-18 9:32 AM (#137628 - in reply to #128807)
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Since the DOT does not consider this hitch to be a "dolly" therefore having one more pivot point, it is legal  It is considered a trailer hitch. 

It would certainly decrease the amount of weight you pace over your truck frame, by a lot.  I don't see it being anymore stressful to the frame of your two vehicle than a heavy bumper pull would be.  My hitch is attached to my frame, and a old 20 foot bumber pull camper puts a heck of a lot more strain on the frame than the safety hitch, which is doing most of the work.

If you have a cap on your pick-up, you can't pull a fifthwheel or a goose.  You would have to remove the topper.  For me, that is almost 200 cubic feet of storage room. 

If you are concerned about Pin weight, by a Cummins powered Dodge Ram.  They have 2,000 extra pounds on the front axle that other trucks just don't have.  The mighty Cummins will hold the nose of your truck down.

If you want to compare this towing to Class 8 trucks, you have to take all things into consideration.  The biggest thing being, driver skill.  When I pull 9500 gallons of heating oil with a Kenworth and a tri-axle trailer on a snow packed road, I have a lot of go traction, and pretty good whoa traction.  I don't have a lot of steer traction, but it gets around.  Once the tank is empty, I have next to no frozen road traction, in any direction.  So, I adjust my driving habits to suit the conditions of my tractor trailer and the environment.  If you cannot handle doing that with a safety hitch, because of a loss of Pin weight, you should hire out your towing, and arrive at your trailer's destination in a car.  

Always look as far ahead to the horizon as you can when you drive, leave the cell phone conversations to your stopped time, and assume that every other driver on the road is an idiot, and stay the heck away from them.  If you always assume that you are lacking traction on your steers and drive appropriately, you will never loose control.

Having an extra set of brakes, especially the big disk brakes on that F-450 axle that the Safety hitch uses, is quite appealing.  I have spoken to the designer, he is no slouch.  The product is well thought out.  I would not be so quick to to talk bad about it with no real knowledge.  I will be looking at a 3 horse Equispirit, and will certainly be looking at this hitch.  I like my topper, and they room it gives me.  We don't like to travel light.

 

 

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Newfman
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2011-09-18 9:37 AM (#137629 - in reply to #128807)
Subject: RE: need opinions on safety-hitch


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Sorry about the typos, it only gives 3 minutes to edit. 
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