Posted 2009-10-08 7:38 AM (#111618) Subject: Trail Ride Blues
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This may be a silly question, but can a horse get sick of being trail ridden? I've ridden Daisy quite a lot this year. We've been to Shawnee one horse gap, Iowa/Shimeck/River Valley, Missouri 4-J Big piney, and lots of local rides. She's done great. She's the perfect horse. When she was younger, we'd have little hissy fits and bucking episodes, she was full of piss and vinegar. But now she's six and grown out of that I guess and has become the perfect trail horse....but she just seems like one of those deadhead tail followers at a girlscout camp. I've noticed this for a while, she will fall asleep while I'm tacking her up. I don't need to steer her anymore. I don't think I touched the reins hardly at all yesterday. We do a lot of solo riding. She acts like it's a death march, she defines DEADbroke... She'll walk trot canter, and stop. She just looks like she's bored and bummed. I always thought trail riding was the best thing to do with a horse, at least compared to doing endless circles in the show ring. I'm leaving on Monday for a week of riding over at Midwest Trail Ride in Indianna. Is there anything that I can do to make trail riding fun again for my horse?
Posted 2009-10-08 8:04 AM (#111622 - in reply to #111618) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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Try working on different things while you ride.. leg yields, turn on the forehand or rear quarters. sidepass down a fallen log, etc.. work on her changing gaits smoothly or stopping with minimal rein or just a weight shift. See how sutle you can make your cues and still have the correct response. My horse and I both hate arena work, and incorporating it into your trail ride may make it more fun or meaningful. Ride bareback occaisionally or let her get into water and splash. If you are traveling different trails, it seems she ought to stay interested in what's new "down the road"
Posted 2009-10-08 8:33 AM (#111624 - in reply to #111618) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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Her attitude at home has been okay. However, my old horse died recently. It didn't seem to phase her though. I'm looking for a new companion for her, she's the only horse I have left right now.
Posted 2009-10-08 9:22 AM (#111629 - in reply to #111618) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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It may be that she has matured and has become very accepting of her work. A lot of people wish their animal was that well behaved. If she is not ill or unsound, and doesn't act hateful to saddle, load, or mount, she may be well on the way to being a very safe mount...
Posted 2009-10-08 11:24 AM (#111640 - in reply to #111618) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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My horses seem to be absolute tourist. They love getting out and seeing new things.
But like the above post, I suspect your horse has accepted her job and just does it.
Spice it up a little as suggested. get off the beaten path and ask her to learn something new. Cross a log, stream, open a gate from the saddle, sidepass over and tie a ribbon on branch. Circle a tree with one hand touching the tree at all times. Then try it backing around the tree. Back uphill between two obstices. Load her up with a panniers and pack her for a day. I load my horses up with tents, sleeping bags, chain saws, and even a deer or elk on occassions.
Go to a Competitive Trail Ride. Even if it's as a volunteer to help out and see all the things they ask a trail horse to do.
Just like you and I, ongoing learning invigorates the mind and causes a mundane job to be more exciting. Give her some challenges.
Posted 2009-10-08 5:57 PM (#111650 - in reply to #111618) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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Try being a rider and not just a passenger. Ask her for transitions, side passes, log crossings, collection, etc. ride over obstacles that make her be aware of her hoof placement. Ride around and under trees, leaning one way and then the other to clear the low branches. In other words, wake her up!
Posted 2009-10-09 8:10 AM (#111671 - in reply to #111618) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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You answered your own question, she's depressed by the death of her only friend...she's now a horse without a herd! Some horses like being alone, my show gelding was one, but most need companionship. Get her a donkey or something.
Posted 2009-10-09 6:00 PM (#111690 - in reply to #111618) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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I started her up on an additional vitamin/mineral/protein supplement just in case the hay and pasture wasn't enough. As far as being depressed by the death of the other horse, it really hasn't seemed to have affected her any. She's around other horses lots of times at the rodeos and such. She doesn't seem any more perky. Her attitude is the same whether there are other horses around or not. I'm looking to get a yearling or two year old to start, but I want something NICE, cowy, registered, and not a naggy "oopsie" colt....so I'm still lookin.
I'm going to try being less of a passenger. I think it would work best in non-group situations, mainly because the people I ride with are usually doing good to just be passengers. Their horses probably wouldn't be too thrilled with me goin' off and sidepassing over things.
Posted 2009-10-10 8:33 AM (#111697 - in reply to #111690) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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So by your answer it looks like your horse doesn't get any grain or pelleted feed?That is alot of riding and energy burning with out additional feed.
You can get a comsultant from a feed store to come and check what you feed and also have your hay tested for nutrients. Sounds like some feed may be in order. More feed = more energy
Posted 2009-10-11 5:34 AM (#111721 - in reply to #111618) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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But if the horse is in ideal body condition, would you think that additional feed supplementation is in order? I didn't. Maybe I was wrong. I didn't want to just hype her up on sweet feed, so I'm trying this low starch vitamin/mineral/protein supplement. We'll see what happens....
Posted 2009-10-11 11:02 AM (#111730 - in reply to #111721) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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I personaly will not use sweet feed. I use safe choice, it's a pelleted feed. They also have a light version if you don't need extra pounds on your horse. Or get a feed with out all the molasses. Might ask your vet for a suggestion or your local feed elevator. I have an older horse that I ride regularly and he seemed bored and no extra pep in his step. I upped his feed from 1/2 scoop 2x's a day to a full scoop and that made all the difference in the world. He didn't put on extra weight. When I am not riding regularly I go back to the 1/2 scoop
Posted 2009-10-11 11:25 AM (#111731 - in reply to #111721) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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Originally written by Angelmay84 on 2009-10-11 5:34 AM
But if the horse is in ideal body condition, would you think that additional feed supplementation is in order? I didn't. Maybe I was wrong. I didn't want to just hype her up on sweet feed, so I'm trying this low starch vitamin/mineral/protein supplement. We'll see what happens....
Hello??? Starch, or carbohydrates, is what gives your horse the energy to perform. That is why human athletes "load up" on carbs before competition. There is little danger of your horse putting on unwanted pounds if he is given regular exercise and a sane diet.
Posted 2009-10-11 1:43 PM (#111736 - in reply to #111618) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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Not every horse needs suppliments. A lot of it will depend on the food value or the hay you feed. Depending on what part of the country your hay comes from, the type and mix of grass and/or alfalfa in the hay. Will determine whether they are getting the values they need.
I do not give my horses any grain or suppliments. A good hay, an occassionally wormy apple off the tree or a misshapen carrot from the garden is what they get. In the winter occassionaly some soaked beet pulp, more to add extra water to their diet than feed.
My horses are in good shape, Almost on the fat side. I don't think they need any more calories. They get rode frequently on tough trails and do well.
Posted 2009-10-11 3:14 PM (#111740 - in reply to #111618) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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Horses don't consume grain in the wild. In my opinion, an animal that gets quality hay and pasture shouldn't need to be supplemented unless the workload or period of growth exceeds what the horse is able to consume to maintain body condition. Forage is best. My horse isn't starved by any means, I just dont agree with loading my horse up on a carb-high. It seems like a bandaid fix to the situation. Hay and pasture with mineral blocks can be nutritionally complete. I live in the midwest and have great soil, pasture, and resultingly good hay. Daisy has had quite a lot of riding, but it has been at spaced out intervals. I haven't gone riding more than several times a week on average, which isn't demanding for a 6 year old horse in good physical shape and carrying a light weight rider. Again, I'm trying a supplement to see if that helps, but I traditionally see graining a horse as a method of replacing lacking calories and nutrients, not a way of making my horse "spunkier".
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Posted 2009-10-11 5:31 PM (#111743 - in reply to #111740) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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Grass and hay does not have all the nutients that it used to.
Lots of chemicals have been put into the soil that were not around years ago. 6 years old is young to not have other feed. The only way to know what nutrients your hay and grass provides is to have it tested.
Allot of good top soil got washed away in the midwest from flooding in 93, 2008 and I think another one in between. Fruits and vegtables do not provide the nutrients that they used to either. Anyway wild horses adapt I don't know if one in captivity is the same. Wild horses never had there feet trimmed or shots but I am sure you do hoof and vet care? Do you think performance horses could do what they do on just forage? Just giving advice that you asked for and pointing out that when I ride my horse more he needed more feed.
Posted 2009-10-14 8:18 PM (#111873 - in reply to #111618) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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There IS a happy medium between keeping your horse so hopped up on special feeds that he can't keep his feet on the ground, and feeding him a diet that optimizes his health and performance. If your horse looks good but is still sluggish, perhaps something else is going on. Maybe a visit by the vet is in order.
Posted 2009-11-03 2:47 PM (#112779 - in reply to #111618) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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There is a Chris Cox show on RFD TV this week. Tonight maybe? On feeding performance horses. The guest Abby Keegan is my local Nutrina Rep. Last week I saw the episode about feeding regular horses and it was mainly about safe choice for standard horses and adding a top treatment for performance horses. I asked her what is the factors in deciding if your horse needs performance feed or regular. She said that typically if your horse is worked for an hour a day 5x's a week that it requires more of a performance diet. I found the show informative and it talked about starches and sugars and other info. FYI
Posted 2009-11-08 11:47 AM (#112913 - in reply to #111618) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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OK, let's see, your problem is your horse walks, trots, canters on trail without getting excited. Goes where you aim her calmly. Sounds like you have a trail horse. ;D Perhaps some more challenging trails if you are worried about her being bored, but chances are she's just fine. If you think she has a medical issue, as Marla suggested, perhaps a call to your vet would be in order. Otherwise, trust me, she may not seem flashy, but everyone that has a 'flashy' horse, is probably wishing they were riding your mare.
Posted 2009-12-13 9:37 PM (#114219 - in reply to #111618) Subject: RE: Trail Ride Blues
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Test her thyroid next time the vet pulls her Coggins.
Carry a ziplock bag...with a mixture of treats...licorice..peppermint...alfalfa, etc.... every few miles..get off and rub her head...and give her a little treat. (No treats on the way back to the trailer...or at the trailer).