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Sheryl
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-02-02 11:41 AM (#98642)
Subject: 373 into 410 - Is it possible


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Is it possible to change my axle ratio from 373 to 410 to increase my pulling capacity.  In my owners manual my 2000 Chevy 2500 is listed:

7.4l    373 towing capacity 8500

         410 towing capacity 10,500

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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2009-02-02 11:58 AM (#98644 - in reply to #98642)
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Yes.  Find a good 4x4 shop, they should have the most experience in such matters.  A 4x2 truck will be cheaper to swap than a 4x4.
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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-02-02 11:58 AM (#98645 - in reply to #98642)
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Yes... You have to either change the internal gears of the differential... AND refit them to factory tolerance or replace the whole rear axle.

Plus, you'll have to reflash the computer to keep the speedometer and engine controls together.

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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2009-02-02 2:47 PM (#98655 - in reply to #98642)
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When you wake up in the ER and find that they got your heart started again when you read the estimate sheet for changing the gear ratio in your turck, you might want to compare the "cost/benefit ratio" for a while before you decide to move ahead with this project.

Question:  Is there a problem with your truck?

Do you just want to change the ration because of something you read in the owners manul?

Have you gotten any estimates on how much this will cost?

Did you know that changing a tire size can affect the gear ratio of your truck?

Have you ever heard the old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?

If your truck is equipped with a "tow mode" it unlocks the converter so you can't go into overdrive while towing.  This will affect your final drive ratio.  As well as moving the gear selector to the next lower notch while going up hill or down hill while you are watching the tack to make sure you are not over revving the engine.

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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2009-02-02 3:37 PM (#98662 - in reply to #98642)
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I believe I would find an cold air intake, an free flowing exhaust and a "tune" for that 454 and maybe some shorter tires!! The 2000 454 exhaust was very restrictive witha  3" tail pipe, unlike the 2001's with a two into one, 3.5' tail pipe.

A 2000 Vortec 454 was rated at 290hp and 410tq.

A 2001 Vortec 496 was rated at 340hp and 455tq.

 

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wyndancer
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2009-02-03 7:52 AM (#98688 - in reply to #98642)
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Gonna cost $1400-$2000, for a 4x4, depending on the area of the country.
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2009-02-03 8:05 AM (#98689 - in reply to #98642)
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Most of the newer vehicles don't need a computer change when changing gear ratios to keep speedometer correct.Tires size yes.Gear change no.Speedo and RWAL(abs) is monitored off the tone ring of the rear differential which is swapped over on a gear change.Not sure on 2000 models but if speedo is picking up its feed off the tone ring it will be correct.Now tire size affects it differently and a re calibration is in order.
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Sheryl
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-02-03 8:43 AM (#98691 - in reply to #98642)
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Thank you for all the replies.  My only purpose is that I want a larger trailer.  I'm looking for some way to do this and keep my good, dependable, paid for truck! It is a 4x4.

Does this seem like it's too much $ and trouble for what I want?

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horsey1
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2009-02-03 8:52 AM (#98692 - in reply to #98642)
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I wouldn't do it. I'll get bashed for this- but I still think some of the OEM published tow ratings are arbitrary. In this case, it will have to do with acceleration and hill pulling. If you don't race, and don't frequest mountains, I don't see the 2,000# difference. I'd buy the bigger trailer, and spend the money on the exhaust and air mods. And that way- when I'm empty I get to keep or better my current MPG. And sort of have a "green feeling" :)
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2009-02-03 9:04 AM (#98694 - in reply to #98642)
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Swapping gears is a lot of work .Parts are expensive and it takes a experienced tech I bet at least all day to do if not a work day and part of the next .So it really depends on how long you'll keep the truck etc. I have handled this job on several including having it done etc .on my own truck(older diesel)Do a SEARCH on parts like Randys Ring and Pinion or if still around GEARS AND REARS etc. Plus factory .(Chev store)As well as the gears/shims it will more then likely need all bearings,gear oil and related pieces. To really hear the skinny on it try a SEARCH for a shop in Nevada(near Vegas)I think that more or less specializes in ring/pinion/axle repair and building custom units for off road etc. I talked to a owner/manager(few years back about a axel issue) nice web site etc. that shot real straight and it might give you some thought/insight to doing it or not. There IS a REASON that differant gear ratios are a OPTION.

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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-02-03 10:00 AM (#98697 - in reply to #98642)
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Save your money, for the little you will gain on low end you will lose more on fuel mileage.

Use your money and install a exhaust system, intake kit and maybe a tuner for it. You will be more happy with these improvements and keep or even better your fuel mileage.
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hounddog
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Posted 2009-02-03 11:04 AM (#98704 - in reply to #98642)
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Kinda of a old saying that there is no substitute for cubic inches .Well that's kinda same with gearing .Amazing how much less strain on total vehicle components and much easier pulling with correct gearing. Like a Belgium Draft horse  compared to a Clydesdale.Theres a engineering reason 4.10's were a OPTION .I'm outa this one.
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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2009-02-03 11:41 AM (#98705 - in reply to #98642)
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Years ago (maybe 1978-1980) the Frito-Lay folks bought a bunch C-30 and C-35 Chevys and GMC's, to pull tandem axle gooseneck cargo trailers. They were used as their sales delivery trucks. The trucks had 454's, Allison AT-540 5 speed automatics, they had a "hydraulic line lock" parking brake with the lever mounted on the dash next to the Allison shift lever. These trucks had 4.56 gears..... I don't know if GM built these trucks specially for Frito or if an aftermarket contractor converted them. Always thought that would have been a good truck under a horse or cattle trailer.... That was the baddest pickup on the road back then, so far as being able to tow a gooseneck. I don't remember them buying anymore after that first big fleet. Didn't take many years to weed them out. Guy I talked to the ran one on a route, said they get around 6 mpg, loaded or empty.... How much would a 20' long x 8' wide x 8' tall trailer full of "tater chips" weigh anyways?!! Any of you remember seeing these trucks? I seen a couple of the old trailers sitting on a fence row this past weekend.

 

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-02-03 11:51 AM (#98706 - in reply to #98642)
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Our truck has 3.73 ratios in the differentials. When we bought our larger trailer, we had difficulty pulling one hill in particular. We did some engine and exhaust upgrades as Hogtownboss suggested, and are very pleased with the results. Our open road RPM is 1850 instead of about 2100 RPM with the 4.10. I would rather have more power than a higher gear set.

Gard 

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2009-02-03 12:01 PM (#98707 - in reply to #98642)
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Theres a REASON 4.0s are OPTION.Chezz
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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2009-02-03 2:59 PM (#98721 - in reply to #98705)
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Retento, there was an old Frito C-30 and GN cargo trailer on Ebay about a year ago.  I bid on it until it exceeded my budget.  I was going to turn it into a site truck for my contracting business with racks for tools and storage bins for hardware and misc stuff.  I thought it was a great idea and the truck was definitely built heavy enough to do what I wanted.  Plus, it was set up to haul at least six people in the cab.  Two captains chairs and a bench seat all the way across the back of the cab that would seat at least four big guys.  I guess somebody wanted it worse than I did, or their budget was bigger than mine?

deranger

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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-02-03 3:48 PM (#98726 - in reply to #98691)
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Originally written by Sheryl on 2009-02-03 5:43 AM

Thank you for all the replies.  My only purpose is that I want a larger trailer.  I'm looking for some way to do this and keep my good, dependable, paid for truck! It is a 4x4.

Does this seem like it's too much $ and trouble for what I want?

This last piece of info is the final nail in the coffin.

A 4x4 will require TWO differentials AND all the other changes.  Unlike a Foxtrotter, you can't have your truck doing two different gaits at the same time.  Something expensive will tear or fall off your truck.  For my money, another truck or stay with the old trailer.

 



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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-02-03 9:49 PM (#98751 - in reply to #98691)
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How much larger trailer are you looking at? Even though the trailer maybe larger depending on the mfg. and the equipment the weight might not be that big a deal....

Your good ol' american BIG block will do more than what you think even with 3.73 gears. We run 1 and 2 car wreckers between 1983 and 1993 all with the 454 engines and 3.73 gears and never had any issues as far as power goes. Only reason we went to diesel in 1994 was for fuel mileage.
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Sheryl
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-02-03 10:05 PM (#98752 - in reply to #98642)
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The dry weight of the all aluminum trailer I'm interested in is 8481#. Do you think I would be too overloaded?
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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2009-02-04 10:36 AM (#98779 - in reply to #98752)
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Originally written by Sheryl on 2009-02-03 11:05 PM

The dry weight of the all aluminum trailer I'm interested in is 8481#. Do you think I would be too overloaded?

The empty weight on my LQ 3h is a little over 8K empty and loaded for a weekend a little over 12K pounds.  My 2001 SuperDuty PS 6sp has 3.73 gears and it does just fine.  HogTownBoss made a good point about work trucks with 3.73 gears, a lot of it depends on how you drive, not what you drive.

deranger



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Sheryl
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-02-04 10:50 AM (#98782 - in reply to #98642)
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OK - SOLD!!! I am a very conservative driver when hauling my horses.  There's only one really steep grade (11% I think) that I pull and that is up the hill to Circle E Guest ranch near Winchester, TN.  The only time I might have 3 horses in is for a local day ride.  Any camping trips I would only have 2 horses.

Thank you for all your thoughtful and helpful responses.

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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-02-04 11:54 AM (#98791 - in reply to #98782)
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Sheryl, My opinion about your truck and trailer, HOOK UP AND GO! Have fun and enjoy your horses. You have enough truck to do the job!

HTB, Kelley
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2009-02-04 4:26 PM (#98813 - in reply to #98642)
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Be sure to let us know your personal experience with it loaded .
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