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tigresse of jade
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2007-04-02 10:30 AM (#58281)
Subject: 2 year old filly


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Hi! I am new to this site and decided to join because of all the interesting banter and good topics.

Here is my situation. I have a 2 yr old Arabian filly that I adore. We are best buddies. I haven't ridden her yet as I think she is still a touch too young to ask that out of. Her ground manners are perfect, she lunges, long lines, and even does little tricks we have been teaching her. My problem deals with her behavior towards other horses. I have never had a youngster before so all this may be normal, any insight is greatly appreciated.

She is hell on four leggs when turned out with the other horses. Completely screws with the laid back balance of the herd. She grunts and squeals and roars like a stud at the lead mare. Gets her ass handed to her then starts all over again. She even tried to "mount" the lead mare once. She rips around like she's on fire, dashes through the center of the grazing herd. Kicks any of them she can get close enough to. It takes about 2 hours for her to settle and even then she is constantly looking to start something. Heaven forbid I go out in the field and any of the other horses try to get near me. She completely looses her mind over that. It's like she thinks she owns me. I ignore her when she does this and walk off like she's not there.

I'm worried that this may transfer when I start riding her and asking her to follow and lead other horses on the trails. Any of you had any similar situations? How did it turn out?

Additionally, has any one had any experience with the practice of marbling or the orthoscopic zip tie spaying? I was thinking if her behavior persisted a little hormonal adjustment my help later on. She doesn't act like this when she is with me and has a halter on, even if there are other horses around.

 

Thanks!

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Beth
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2007-04-03 7:36 AM (#58372 - in reply to #58281)
Subject: RE: 2 year old filly


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Hi ...Welcome !

I have Arabians too and they mature slowly.....I swear the good Lord doesn't give them all of their brains until they are at least 5.  Arabians can be impulsive, neurotic, spirited, goofy, beautiful and loyal.......all at the same time. 

I think your filly needs some homework assignments.  This has become a big, fun game for her and a royal pain-in-the-butt for the other horses.  She is turning into a little bully and this could cause problems for you as the rider down the road.

My suggestion is to put her on the lunge line with a rope halter (for good control) and go out to the pasture....take a lunge whip along too and a crop or dressage whip...... take all the training aids you will need.  Put some carrots in your pocket too.  Start lunging her and giving her instructions.  Have a friend let your other horses out into the pasture as you are doing this.  Your filly will probalby start acting up.....keep her focused on the lessons and teach her control and manners.  Only use the whip to keep her focused on you.  After she is compliant with the lunging put her on a lead rope and walk her through the other horses (watch out for kickers) and insist on good manners from your filly....reward her for good manners and reprimmand her for bad ones.  Once she is compliant .... let her loose with the others...... if she starts being a bully (frolicking is acceptable) catch her and start all over again,  Be consistant and patient ...... it make take hours or days ....... depending on how long it takes her to figure it out. 

That is my suggestion.....if you decide to do this you must stay the course, do not loose your cool or your resolve.  Good luck!

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Ardly
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2007-04-03 9:28 AM (#58383 - in reply to #58281)
Subject: RE: 2 year old filly


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We have a mare that we purchased a few years back as a young colt that behaved similar to what you describe,mounting another mare at times and trying to be dominant with the herd only to have her but kicked time and time again. Finally had to remove her from the two more aggresive members of the herd to get any peace! We're still not sure what caused this behaviour but a good while back I read an article somewhere,(possibly in Equus magazine), that described a similar behaviour caused by ovarion cysts creating a hormone imbalance and stallion like behaviour in mares. I did a search and could not find the article that I had read but did find this very limited information on anther site. If you find anything similar, please share it since I meant to have this information as a reference.

http://www.cyberhorse.net.au/cgi-bin/tve/displaynewsitem.pl?

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Cancer of the Ovary in Mares

CANCER OF THE OVARY
 

Goulburn Valley Equine Hospital, Victoria, Australia

WHAT ARE THEY?

Granulosa theca cell tumours (GTCT) are one of the more common cancers in the horse accounting for ~ 2.5% of all horse cancers.  Although other ovarian cancers occur they are rare. GTCT’s are benign (i.e. they do not spread elsewhere around the body) and once present generally continue to grow in a relentless way. Unlike most cancers, they are more likely to occur in younger to middle aged animals (highest frequency 5-9 years of age). The neoplastic (cancerous) cells are actually made from the cells of the follicles that grow within the ovary (either granulosa or theca cells).

 

HOW DO THEY AFFECT MARES?

They are a problem for mares because commonly the mare stops cycling and also the cancers can become quite big (20 Kg) (See figure 1).

The follicles that grow in a normal ovary have different cells which produce a number of reproductive hormones. Because the tumour has more of these cells than a normal follicle, more of these hormones may be produced. Depending on which hormones predominate, the mare can show any one of a number of behavioural changes;

 

Failure to show oestrus- this is the most common presentation, when you will notice that your mare stops showing her regular signs of heat (oestrous). This is because the tumour is producing large amounts of the hormone inhibin that stops all ovarian activity.

 

Continually showing oestrus- these mares are sometimes described as nymphomaniacs, as they appear to be continuously in heat.

 

Stallion-like behaviour- this is seen less commonly, and occurs if the tumour has lots of cells producing androgens (like testosterone).

 

Not uncommonly mares may have all the signs above with different levels of behavioral expression on different days or weeks. We have seen mares teasing one day and mounting other mares the next.

 

It is also possible for a mare with a GTCT to cycle normally early in the clinical course of the disease. This was thought to be quite uncommon but with newer diagnostic equipment such as ultrasonography, we have been able to demonstrate that GTCT’s occur in cycling mares more than originally thought.

 

Occasionally if the tumour is very big, the mare might show signs of colic.

 

HOW DO I FIND OUT IF THIS IS WHAT MY MARE HAS?

Your vet will examine her, and will be able to feel an abnormally big ovary, often with the other one being small and inactive. They have a very typical appearance on an ultrasonographic examination (figure 2), however if we need further confirmatory information a blood test can be submitted. This measures the concentrations of different hormones, and some, especially inhibin can be fairly specific for the condition.

 

WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO TREAT IT?

If your mare is a broodmare then the cancer must be removed (usually the earlier the better).

If your mare is not a broodmare, the tumour is small and there are only mild behavioural changes, you may not have to treat her for the time being. However, if she is difficult to manage, shows occasional colicky signs, or you would like to breed from her in the future, then the affected ovary should be removed.

Surgical removal can be performed through either the flank or ventral midline under general anaesthesia and they are by far the most common methods. Occasionally smaller ovaries can be removed in the standing tranquilised mare through the flank or even the vagina. All the procedures carry a risk to the mare but experienced anaesthetists and surgeons have little problems.

 

WILL THE MARE BREED AGAIN?

Yes. The remaining ovary takes some time (2-16 months) to recover from the hormonal suppression of ovarian activity, but your mare should be able to conceive and carry foals normally with the one healthy remaining ovary. 

 

IS SHE LIKELY TO GET THE PROBLEM AGAIN?

No. Bilateral GTCT (both ovaries affected) have been reported exceedingly rarely. We have only seen one mare with a bilateral GTCT.

 

 

 

Goulbourn Valley Equine Hospital Media Release

 

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N2ridin
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2007-04-03 12:08 PM (#58397 - in reply to #58281)
Subject: RE: 2 year old filly


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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2007-04-03 2:44 PM (#58403 - in reply to #58281)
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Is this filly always out with the herd or just occasionally?Sounds like she is the old( yet young) alpha boss bitch mare. When your out with her and she starts in on the others, I'd have a crop or whip and YOU be the boss mare, giving her one across the rump whenever she starts trouble. This can be very dangerous to you- you can get caught in the cross fire.
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tigresse of jade
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2007-04-13 9:04 PM (#59245 - in reply to #58281)
Subject: RE: 2 year old filly


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Thanks for all the great insight! I have started working her in the field with the other horses loose. She is always a princesse when she is with me. She goes right to work and focuses on what I want even with the other horses around. I have found that excercizing her in this way has helped, though not eliminated, her behavoir towards the other horses. She is still generally pushy with them, but not nearly as aggressive. Will let you know how it all turns out.

I will have her checked for ovarian cysts and other possible medical causes if the behavior doesn't modify with training.

Thanks again!

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