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Chessman
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-01-22 12:30 PM (#54240 - in reply to #36688)
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Yep. I have a huge issue brewing with them right now. We bought a SS 20 RP a few weeks ago. I haven’t even hauled a horse in it yet. Saturday I pulled the trailer to pick up some feed and noticed that a weld had broken on the ramp hinge. Further inspection revealed that all of the welds that hold the ramp to the trailer had little to no penetration, and the top of the hinge points hadn’t even been welded – they had been missed during construction.

OK, things happen. All companies occasionally have problems. What makes one company better than another is what they do to make it right. I called Exiss and the gentleman there told me that my only recourse was to haul the trailer back to the dealer for repair.

Now some people won’t agree with what I'll say next and will find me unreasonable, but I should not have to have a brand new trailer repaired before I can use it – especially when the trailer cost as much as we paid for this one. What I expect from them is a replacement trailer.

I am an aerospace engineer, an aircraft mechanic, and a custom fabricator. I have a better welder in my shop than they used at the factory and I will do the repairs myself before I make the two hour trek to the dealer – twice – to have them splatter a weak weld repair on it with the little 200 amp spool gun they have in their shop. This isn’t just aesthetics, this is a significant safely concern for my horses, me, and anybody who might be following behind me if the ramp comes off. I have no faith in the welds on this trailer and will be crawling under it to inspect every weld. I still like the Exiss trailer, but their customer service is substandard. They are big company and make decisions based on immediate costs. If customer service is important to you then I would recommend looking at another trailer manufacturer.
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CMEL8TR
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2007-01-22 1:18 PM (#54245 - in reply to #54240)
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Call Don at Dixie Horse and Mule. He seems to be everyone's "Knight in Shining Armor" when it comes to EVERYONE'S Exiss repairs.
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Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2007-01-22 1:39 PM (#54246 - in reply to #54240)
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 I am an aerospace engineer, an aircraft mechanic, and a custom fabricator. I have a better welder in my shop than they used at the factory and I will do the repairs myself before I make the two hour trek to the dealer – twice – to have them splatter a weak weld repair on it with the little 200 amp spool gun they have in their shop. 

 

If you are who you say you are, and are so gifted with so many talents, you should have recognized weak welds before you hauled the trailer two hours to your home. JMHO

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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2007-01-22 1:47 PM (#54247 - in reply to #36688)
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HWBar, that was my thinking also. If had all that equipment and skill, I would have never bought a trailer........I'd would have built my own!
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Chessman
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-01-22 2:20 PM (#54249 - in reply to #36688)
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Those are true enough statements.  I could have built the trailer – and am going to build my 4-horse head-to-head, but I did not have time right now to build this one.  Tracking down the aluminum extrusions at a decent price in such small quantities takes as long as fabricating the trailer. 

 

I should have seen the weld issues upon inspection prior to buying it.  This is my fault.  My wife decided that this trailer model was the one she wanted and the local dealer had one for a good price.  We bought the trailer on a Saturday and got to the trailer sales place about an hour before they closed and the rushed us to get the paperwork done and out so they could close on time.  I did not do a detailed inspection because I was trying to help them out. 

 

I am not sure how hard I would have looked at it anyway.  I went to an expo a couple of years ago where a hundred trailers were on display from many manufacturers.  I spent a full day crawling under trailers and making notes on engineering and construction specifically because I intend to build my own and I wanted to see what worked for other people.  At that time I was impressed with both the design and craftsmanship of the Exiss trailers.  Since I had already formed an opinion that they produce a good product, I likely wouldn’t have inspected it with the detail that I will now.  If I had done a better inspection I would not have bought that particular trailer.  My point in posting is that I don’t believe that the average trailer buyer could identify a cold weld joint if they looked at it. 

 

I suppose listing my credentials sounded pompous.  I only meant to explain that I am qualified to criticize the workmanship on this trailer.   

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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-01-22 3:56 PM (#54259 - in reply to #36688)
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Chessman,

 Exiss will take care of it.  You just have to give them a chance. I know where you are coming from.  Boy did I get upset, but they fixed me up and good to go now with a smile on my face .  Go drink a beer, smoke a cig., or whatever you do to relax. They'll take care of it just give them a chance. It's easy to get on line and blast them but all in all it dosen't help.

 

 

Oh yeah, We all miss things when we first get a trailer. The happy happy Joy Joy syndrome get's us sometimes. Just look it over real good and make a list before you take it back to get repaired. My welds look good and I did look at them after I bought it too. I am also a very picky person. The things like this can drive us crazy. One of my girlfriends use to call me MR. CLEAN and not cause I have a bald head either. We can drive people crazy with our pickyness.

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Chessman
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-01-22 4:33 PM (#54261 - in reply to #36688)
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Spooler,

Yes I could stand to cool off a little.  I was willing to excuse the little things that needed warranty work, but this is major.  What boiled my blood is that Exiss wouldn't discuss any course of action other than taking it back to the little dealer where we bought it.  I'll fix it myself and eat the cost because I don't want to waste four hours of driving to be potentially displeased with the repair.  If I have four hours to drive then I have four hours to weld.  Still, shouldn't have to do it in the first place. 

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Jbsny
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2007-01-22 5:32 PM (#54264 - in reply to #36688)
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That is the hard part, buying from someone that is quite a distance away.  Someone asked why I got a certain brand of car when I exchanged the one I was driving.. it was because the dealership is 7 miles away.  I have been there twice with some minor problems they have been able to solve in seconds.  One reason, at least for cars, that I try to stay local to the dealership.  I know that is hard with horse trailers.. even dealers for us in Ohio aren't that close.

Good luck, if nothing else, Don from Dixie Horse and Mule can advise. He has been a saint for a lot of Exiss owners.  GO DON!!!

Jbsny

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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-01-22 7:45 PM (#54282 - in reply to #36688)
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Yes, it shouldn't of happened but it did.  We have the same luck sometimes.  CRAPPY!!!!! I would let the dealer fix it to keep the integrity of the 7 year structural warranty. Don't need any issue with that.  Heck, I was without mine for a month and I only had it 2 weeks. But it was what it was and Don from Dixie Horse and Mule fixed me up and made it all better. I know it is a bitter pill to swallow, from my own experience, best advice to you is to let it take it's coarse.  If you are worried about a quality weld then give them some examples on some old aluminum scrap.  Good, Bad, and Ugly. I know I kicked myself several times for not dotting my i's and crossing my t's by doing a good pre inspection myself but live and learn.
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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-01-22 7:50 PM (#54283 - in reply to #36688)
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Oh, the dealer is the repair center for Exiss.  The guy on the phone is trained to take the best care of you he can but he probably dosen't know how to weld or fix stuff like that.  That would be an expensive paper pusher, phone service, or whatever you want to call it if they could do all of that. They just want you to get to the dealer who knows what to do to make you happy.

 

Geesh, I wish I would of had someone on here to give me this advice.  It would of made me feel better. I was just so mad it happend to ME!!!!!! Yeah, and my wife put in for our trailer too.  I was undecided between 3 of them so she made up my mind for me. They all were Exiss though.



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arlene21
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-01-22 8:11 PM (#54290 - in reply to #36688)
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  When I purchase something new, I expect to have something that will not have major issues before I even put a horse in it. I don't want to buy a new car, trailer or anything if I have to take a welder, mechanic, tire specialist etc. with me to buy it. What about the quality assurance people?

I know some people who purchased the Exiss Sport 300 miles from here and they had to take it back twice for LQ leaking.

I personally think that the dealer or company should come and pick it up to fix it. It wasn't the buyer's fault that a major and potentially dangerous detail had been missed. When I buy used (let the buyer beware) but a new purchase with a warrenty deserves better.  

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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2007-01-22 8:21 PM (#54294 - in reply to #36688)
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Don't know Arizona law, but under the Uniform Commercial Code in TN you could revoke your acceptance of the trailer, return it and get your $$$ back.   Don at Dixie Horse and Mule is a GREAT guy....they picked up a trailer from me because of things wrong with it.  Think you might want to call the dealer and see if they will come get the trailer.........Good luck.
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horsey1
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2007-01-23 8:09 AM (#54318 - in reply to #36688)
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Not to ask a silly question, but what does your dealer say?? If they missed these issues during their inspection, and they pocketed the profit on the sale, don't they have some obligation to make you happy? Everything shouldn't fall back on Exiss, or on a dealer in Al. 2000 miles away. Let your dealer come pick it up, or arrange for a repair locally.
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justcruzin
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2007-01-23 8:47 AM (#54320 - in reply to #54240)
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Originally written by Chessman on 2007-01-22 10:30 AM

Yep. I have a huge issue brewing with them right now. We bought a SS 20 RP a few weeks ago. I haven’t even hauled a horse in it yet. Saturday I pulled the trailer to pick up some feed and noticed that a weld had broken on the ramp hinge. Further inspection revealed that all of the welds that hold the ramp to the trailer had little to no penetration, and the top of the hinge points hadn’t even been welded – they had been missed during construction. OK, things happen. All companies occasionally have problems. What makes one company better than another is what they do to make it right. I called Exiss and the gentleman there told me that my only recourse was to haul the trailer back to the dealer for repair. Now some people won’t agree with what I'll say next and will find me unreasonable, but I should not have to have a brand new trailer repaired before I can use it – especially when the trailer cost as much as we paid for this one. What I expect from them is a replacement trailer. I am an aerospace engineer, an aircraft mechanic, and a custom fabricator. I have a better welder in my shop than they used at the factory and I will do the repairs myself before I make the two hour trek to the dealer – twice – to have them splatter a weak weld repair on it with the little 200 amp spool gun they have in their shop. This isn’t just aesthetics, this is a significant safely concern for my horses, me, and anybody who might be following behind me if the ramp comes off. I have no faith in the welds on this trailer and will be crawling under it to inspect every weld. I still like the Exiss trailer, but their customer service is substandard. They are big company and make decisions based on immediate costs. If customer service is important to you then I would recommend looking at another trailer manufacturer.

Well... If I were a custom fabricator, aircraft mechanac, ect., etc. ONE look at the Exiss Trailers when I was shoping for trailers, would have scared me away. I'm a nobody, and when I was shoping I looked at the welds and Exiss was one of the worst IMO!

Suck it up, IMO you didnt do your homework.

 

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Chessman
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-01-23 10:01 AM (#54323 - in reply to #36688)
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I jacked the trailer up last night and inspected the rest of the welds. Everything underneath is beautiful – at least as good as anything else on the market. The only ugly welds are on the ramp hinges and the running boards. Whoever welded the ramp isn’t the same person who welded the rest of the trailer.

I will talk to Exiss again before I make a decision on how to proceed. I have concerns about the transfer of liability and warranty no matter who does the repair.

I have pictures available if anybody is curious about what I’m upset over.
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-01-23 11:16 AM (#54329 - in reply to #54247)
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He may have the talent to build his own trailer but the expense of building your own would be ridiculous and the resale value would be nothing. WHen you buy an expensive trailer, all of the trailer welds should have been inspected by the manufacturer. I do not believe it should be your responsiblity to put the new trailer up on a lift to inspect the welds yourself. Plus, while the OP has the expertise to know what a good weld should look like, the general public does not. Each trailer should be inspected BEFORE it leaves the manufacturer.
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Reg. Dec 1899
Posted 2007-01-23 1:23 PM (#54348 - in reply to #36688)
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Chessman, I understand your frustration.  These things sometime happen.  It has happened with every brand I have ever sold.  It is not unique to Exiss.  You nailed it when you said the welds underneath were obviously done by a different welder.  With personnel turnover, neither may be there the next day.  In fact, the one that could not weld so good could be at another's favorite manufacturer the next day.  It should have been caught at the factory, or by the dealer, but it was not.  Those are the facts.  I, and I'm sure all of you, am glad you found it before it fell off, if it was that bad.  If you were my customer, I would gladly undo the deal, swap out with a new one, or repair this one at a place near you.  Your choice.  Have you given your dealer the opportunity to step up?  If not, please do, as he does deserve that.  If he won't, then tell the world.  I've seen lots of dirty laundry aired on this site over the years, and, truthfully, in most cases it was soiled by sour grapes.  I've personally solved many problems on here that, once investigated, were not the fault of the dealer or the manufacturer.  This is clearly a mfg / dealer responsibility in this case, but I mention these incidences to remind those that are quick to pile on that it is, in lots of cases, unfair, and can unjustly hurt all the folks that make their living off these products.  This would include lots of everyones neighbors, directly or indirectly.  I am of the opinion that there is not a bad brand out there, just some that fit better than others.  We all have our preferences as to brands, and they are, mostly, quite subjective.  One man's Ford is another man's Chevy or Dodge?  I have been without a truck and a trailer at some point in my life, and could be quite happy with any!  If I can be of help in getting this handled for you, I will be happy to.  Thanks  DON SMITH, OWNER, DIXIE HORSE & MULE CO.  
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Chessman
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-01-23 2:22 PM (#54354 - in reply to #36688)
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Thanks Don. 

I called the dealer and Exiss before I ever posted here.  The Dealer has agreed to do the repair at their facility if I deliver the trailer.  They are good people with good intentions, but limited resources.  They were very quiet when I told them that I felt Exiss should replace the trailer.  They didn't offer to run that to ground for me.  It would have been nice if they had, but this is an Exiss problem and I don't expect the little dealer that sells several different brands has the pull with the manufacturer to provide much help.  I may be wrong, but I didn't get the impression that any extra effort beyond the warranty support agreement would be put forth. 

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Posted 2007-01-23 2:37 PM (#54355 - in reply to #36688)
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Thanks Chessman!  Replacement would be dealer choice, and I expect most dealers would not do that in this case.  I would, in that it would instantly solve the problem at all levels, but it is not the norm.  The mfg, or the dealer, will cure the problem, I'm sure, at a place close to you, that you trust to weld, and that has the ability to do so, providing the cost is not out of reason.  We handle repairs that way all the time.  I personally know the owner of the dealership you bought from, and know him to be an honest man.  I've been in contact with T.J. in warranty @ Exiss & he advised me he had spoken with you re this situation.  I will copy him on this for action, and I'm sure he or someone will be in touch to arrange a better fix for you.  I do not expect them to give you a new trailer, but we all expect yours to be repaired correctly and with all haste.  Let me know if I can be of help in any way.  Thanks,  DON SMITH, OWNER, DIXIE HORSE & MULE CO.
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Chessman
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-01-23 2:49 PM (#54356 - in reply to #36688)
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You are a hell of a guy!  Thanks for the help.  There is a certifed shop her by the airport whose work I trust if Exiss would pick up the tab and continue to honor the warranty.  I have a nightmare that I'll have ramp problems in the future and the factory will say that it is between me and the dealer who fixed it.  Likey not a problem, but we've all seen things like this happen.  The potential of voiding the warranty is the only reason I haven't gone over it with the TIG yet.  I haven't had time to call Exiss today.  Thanks again for your input and support.  Wish you were close enough to buy me next trailer from.

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Posted 2007-01-23 2:57 PM (#54357 - in reply to #36688)
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Thanks again Chessman!  We'll all be watching to see what happens.  I have every confidence it will be handled right.  We are a long way from you, but most all my LQs are FREE DELIVERY!  When you get in the market for one of those, I'll send it to you, service it where it breaks, and save you LOTS of money!  Thanks,  DON SMITH, OWNER, DIXIE HORSE & MULE CO.
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-01-23 3:23 PM (#54360 - in reply to #54356)
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Chessman, it looks like it will be taken care of, as it should. It just proves that the dealer does make a difference. When I buy a trailer, I make sure the dealer will stand behind it to the max. The first thing I ask before making a deal is, "If something goes wrong under waranty, can I have it repaired in MY area by a reputable repair shop. Goood dealers say yes. I bought my last trailer from a dealer in MO and the LQ onstaller is in AL. I am in PA. I take it to a reputable place nearby and have had no problems with things not being covered.
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Chessman
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-01-23 3:55 PM (#54368 - in reply to #36688)
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Yep good advice. 

A big thanks to Don.  He called Exiss and the dealer I bought from and got the ball rolling.  Exiss agreed to continue to honor the warranty if I do the repair myself and send before and after pictures to confirm the workmanship.  Additionally, I asked that they use this as an opportunity to review their factory quality procedures to help prevent this from happening again.  I work for a company that builds engines for jet aircraft.  We all have occasional quality problems.  As I said before, it is what you do about it afterwards that makes the distinction between bing OK and world-class.  I still feel like a replacement should have been delivered to my door, but I'll repair it to my own satisfaction with less frustration than I would have had without Don's assitance in mediating this.

 

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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-01-23 6:13 PM (#54374 - in reply to #36688)
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I told you Exiss would take care of your trailer. They will bend over backwards to help any way they can.  Don't forget about Don at Dixie Horse and Mule.  He has helped time and time again and ask nothing in return. I for one am very grateful. Thank you again Don I will never forget what you did for Leaky.
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arlene21
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-01-23 7:10 PM (#54380 - in reply to #36688)
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 Don't forget that it is not necessarily Exiss that is so happy to meet the needs of the customer but Don, who is the customer's support person. Without him as an advocate, I sometimes wonder what would happen. Not to mention those people who aren't vocal enough to get on a website and ask for help. It took Don to come to leaky's rescue.
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