Posted 2007-02-21 11:24 AM (#55979 - in reply to #55963) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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Originally written by cttwdfm on 2007-02-21 9:57 AM
Re: Dodge box height Thanks for your comments HW Bar. My 2007 Dodge is the TRX, 4X4 with s/box and single rear wheels. I tow a 3H Featherlite, with 6 " LQ. From what you're saying, interference with the box might not be an issue? I worry about it because it looks close and also because I saw someone take out their tailgate last summer. However, it was an older steel trailer and different Dodge truck.
Tailgate was bent on mine when I traded it in, I had covered it with a tailgate protector just barely noticable.
Posted 2007-02-21 4:37 PM (#56011 - in reply to #55415) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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Originally written by Terri on 2007-02-11 8:46 PM
I did get an aftermarket exhaust brake put on after burning out my brakes in the Rockies last year.
I didn't know you could do that. Did the dealer have to do that? What did it run, if you don't mind.....
Dodge doesn't make an exhaust for an auto trans earlier than '06 or '07. I put in a B-D brand exhaust brake and trans controller. It seems to be like downshifting one gear in a manual trans. Not noisy like tha big rigs.
There are several aftermarket brands that you can put on, including Jacobs. Some dealers will install them. Some won't. I took mine to a diesel shop that installs lots of them.
Posted 2007-02-21 9:53 PM (#56025 - in reply to #56011) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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Thanks. I'll have to look into them. We are going to yellowstone this summer with the 5th wheel and It will make me feel better about going through the mountians. I have problems with roads-no guardrails and steep drop offs. Don't worry I will NOT be driving!! I'll be in the passenger seat having the stress induced asthma attack.
Posted 2007-02-23 9:29 PM (#56194 - in reply to #55296) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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Originally written by SHMANN on 2007-02-09 3:11 PM
This is the 1st I've heard of it, although I'm sure there is more information out there somewhere in the forum. My wife really likes (prefers) the Dodge to the others we've looked at. We're leaning towards the 2500 with the diesel... would a 2500 have the same bed height issue you had with yours?
BTW - Good luck with the GMC - Among the 2500's I actually prefer the GM (Chevy/GMC) over the Dodge. As a side note, I was amazed how much less expensive the Dodge's were when compared to Ford or Chevy (comparing new).
After looking at GM and Ford, I went to the Dodge dealer. This married father of 2.5 and owner of 4 horses with a pregnant wife in college fulltime elected to save $5000 and buy the Dodge with a 6 speed manual transmission.
I got a Ram 3500 dually, diesel, nav, jake brake, and many other options for $35k brand spanking new. The nav and jake brake were about $3600 worth of options, alone. Could have walked out of there for about $32k without those options. ZERO problems with the truck, rattle-free, accelerates my 10,000 pound horse trailer uphill in overdrive, and spins the wheels in 2nd gear with 6000 pounds of empty horse trailer on the gooseneck hitch.
With 9,000 miles on the clock I've been getting about 20-22mpg unloaded at 70mph, 12-14 with the trailer and 2 horses in tow.
(Sorry, tired of the Dodge bashing on this site tonite!!)
Posted 2007-02-23 9:39 PM (#56196 - in reply to #55908) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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Originally written by tncwgrl on 2007-02-20 11:09 AM
Hello all. Just reading about the tallness of the rear-end of the Dodge. I just traded my 02 Ford 250 automatic single rear axle, 4X4 for an 03 Dodge 6 speed manual 4X4 dually. I haven't gotten to pull yet as I have to get a new ball for the bed. So here I am reading about this problem and I am concerned. I have several places to and from my place that could be a potential problem to go over - would hate to mess up my pretty new (to me) truck through my own ignorance!
I almost changed my '06 order to 4x4, but then canceled all thoughts of that. Glad I did! On uneven surfaces my '06 Dodge 3500 4x2 bed rails will come close to touching the trailer. I know a 4x4 would touch. You'll have to be careful, go slow, and PAY ATTENTION, which is something ANYONE TOWING A TRAILER SHOULD ALWAYS BE DOING ANYWAY.
Posted 2007-02-24 3:43 AM (#56201 - in reply to #55265) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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I never was bashing a Dodge on the power they have, I still think it's the most powerful truck on the market. I get to pull the trailer with the new truck today all loaded up, so we'll see. My only issue is with the bed hieght, I had a 3500 Dually 4X4, That truck is not built to tow a shorter(4ft. 6ft. Shortwall) Trailer. It's simple geometry, see the thread with the guy and his Kiefer.
Posted 2007-03-01 6:31 PM (#56596 - in reply to #55265) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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It's obvious to me that you haven't bought, and had installed, many after market hauler type beds, if you really think you can buy a C/C and put a bed on it for less than a pickup costs. And like HWB said, why should you have to, if the pickup should fill your needs?
Posted 2007-03-01 9:13 PM (#56606 - in reply to #56596) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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Originally written by Tx. Vaquero on 2007-03-01 7:31 PM
It's obvious to me that you haven't bought, and had installed, many after market hauler type beds, if you really think you can buy a C/C and put a bed on it for less than a pickup costs. And like HWB said, why should you have to, if the pickup should fill your needs?
Only have had to do it once thus far...and it was cheaper...
Posted 2007-03-01 10:36 PM (#56610 - in reply to #55265) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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The few new 6.7 with the new Aisen 6 speed auto C&C that have been bought and posted about on the diesel forums have been under $30k more like in the $27k range.Add a bed that runs anywhere from $3k to 6k and thats cheaper then most duallys.
Posted 2007-03-29 3:30 PM (#58003 - in reply to #55265) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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THE TRUCK IS NOT TOO HIGH IF IT IS FACTORY LEVEL. THE TRAILER IS TOO LOW. PUT DIFFERENT SHACKLES ON YOUR TRAILER SHOULD BE LESS THAN 100 DOLLARS AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE A LOWRIDER TO PULL YOUR TRAILER.
Posted 2007-03-29 3:35 PM (#58004 - in reply to #58003) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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The trailers are right where they need to be for the horses to safely load. The older trucks were made at the right height for this, todays trucks are too high. Look at a 2001 and a 2002 dodge 2500 pickups and you will see a big difference in height. A "lowrider" truck is completely different and would be WAY to low, the trailer would ride nose down.
And unless they say 4x4 in the post, most people are talking about the height of the bed sides, not the height of the actual truck. The difference between the two trucks above was almost 5 inches. That leaves no room to keep the trailer level and not crunch the tailgate/bed sides.
Posted 2007-03-29 4:07 PM (#58007 - in reply to #55265) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT I AM NOT TRYING TO BE A JERK. THAT BEING SAID IF YOU CAN NOT PULL YOUR TRAILER WITH A NEW FACTORY 4X4 TRUCK YOU NEED TO FIX YOUR TRAILER OR BUY A NEW ONE. YOU SEE PEOPLE EVERY TIME YOU TURN ARROUN WITH NEW TRUCKS 2X4 AND 4X4 OF ALL BRANDS PULLING ALL TYPES OF TRAILERS. ON THE "SAFE LOADING THING" I AM ONLY GUESSING THAT THE TRAILER SITS TOO LOW IF ALL THE BRAND NEW TRUCKS ARE TOO HIGH WHICH THEIR NOT FOR ALL THE TRAILERS I HAVE BEEN ARROUND. AND IF THE HORSE CAN'T SAFELY LOAD IN A TRAILER THATS 3 INCHES HIGHER I WOULD BE SCARED TO DEATH TO GET ON HIS BACK.
Posted 2007-03-29 6:54 PM (#58020 - in reply to #58007) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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Originally written by KSHORT on 2007-03-29 4:07 PM
I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT I AM NOT TRYING TO BE A JERK. THAT BEING SAID IF YOU CAN NOT PULL YOUR TRAILER WITH A NEW FACTORY 4X4 TRUCK YOU NEED TO FIX YOUR TRAILER OR BUY A NEW ONE. YOU SEE PEOPLE EVERY TIME YOU TURN ARROUN WITH NEW TRUCKS 2X4 AND 4X4 OF ALL BRANDS PULLING ALL TYPES OF TRAILERS. ON THE "SAFE LOADING THING" I AM ONLY GUESSING THAT THE TRAILER SITS TOO LOW IF ALL THE BRAND NEW TRUCKS ARE TOO HIGH WHICH THEIR NOT FOR ALL THE TRAILERS I HAVE BEEN ARROUND. AND IF THE HORSE CAN'T SAFELY LOAD IN A TRAILER THATS 3 INCHES HIGHER I WOULD BE SCARED TO DEATH TO GET ON HIS BACK.
I don't think you are a jerk, I do think you are yelling at me. Let me explain this tall truck stuff so everyone can get it.
1. I had a 14' shortwall LQ trailer 29' on the floor. Very Heavy, when I lowered it onto the truck(2004 Dodge 4 door dually 4x4) the truck squated down and rode level, I had to adjust the neck in the trailer but it rode fairly level also. I was not concerned with overloading the rear axle with that setup.
2. I sold the above trailer and bought a 6' shortwall 21' on the floor trailer, same brand. I also bought a 32' Fifth wheel camper. New horse trailer is not very heavy, truck don't squat, trailer runs downhill, truck runs downhill the other way. I was now worried about overloading the rear axle on trailer. Now enter the Fifth wheel, axles on it more toward the center, hardly any weight on the truck(bad), adjusted neck completely up, trailer still running downhill, truck running down hill the other way. SOLD TRUCK.
3. Bought Duramax GMC 4x4 Single rear wheel, tailgate height 5" lower, everything tows level again. I'm happy. Say what ever you want to say the above is not an endorsment or a knock on anybody's stuff, just a real world deal. I still think the Dodge had more power, to bad it was not built to tow fifth wheel/gooseneck type trailers that don't have alot of pin wieght.
Posted 2007-03-29 9:49 PM (#58032 - in reply to #58007) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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My horse ability to walk has nothing to do with his ability to step into or out of a trailer that is knee high to him. He could probally do it, but I am not going to make him.
And you are completely missing the point. I am not talking abut the height of the truck. If you take a measuring tape to the INSIDE of the truck bed on a older truck and a newer truck you will see that the sides OF THE BED are higher and causing a cleareance problem. I am not going to modify my truck or trailer. My trailer is paid off so I bought a truck that would fit it.
"YOU SEE PEOPLE EVERY TIME YOU TURN ARROUN WITH NEW TRUCKS 2X4 AND 4X4 OF ALL BRANDS PULLING ALL TYPES OF TRAILERS."
Maybe you do, but they either have dented tailgates or to much weight on its rear axel.
Posted 2007-03-30 7:55 AM (#58051 - in reply to #55265) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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SORRY FOR COMING ACROSS AS YELLING. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW. YOU ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT BIGGER NICER TRAILERS THAN I'M TALKING ABOUT MAYBE THEY ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES WITH DRESSING ROOMS? GLAD EVERYTHING WORKS TO SUIT NOW.
Posted 2007-03-30 10:55 AM (#58066 - in reply to #58062) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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Originally written by HWBar on 2007-03-30 9:38 AM
YOU ARE STILL YELLING AT ME!
I don't know if he/she understand when you talk in ALL CAPITOL letters it means in internet language that you are yelling at that person.
I don't think he/she means it; they just don't realize it.
You know I have the GMC Dmax and I think you had a mutant dodge.... LOL. I usually hear about Dodge guys coming over the GM side for the DMax Alli power. lol
Either way, I'm glad things worked out for you. It sucks it costed that much to fix the problem; new trucks by any means aren't cheap!
Posted 2007-03-30 11:37 AM (#58075 - in reply to #55265) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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no i did not realize i was yelling. in tn when people start out saying i am sorry and end with glad everything worked out that is being nice not yelling. if no caps has some hidden meaning i give up.
Posted 2007-03-30 11:46 AM (#58076 - in reply to #58051) Subject: RE: Dodge looses a loyal customer.
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I talking about a 1998 20 ft, 4 horse slant with stock sides and a dressing room. Very basic trailer, nothing fancy. Truck manufactures are not thinking about what people do with their trucks before making "improvements" on them.
We bought a 5th wheel camper last year that was to heavy for my truck so my husband wanted to buy me a new one. Because of the clearance issues I got a 02 model instead because of the bed height. I just couldn't see spending all that money for a truck I would have to modify (more money) to make it work.