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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2009-01-24 4:52 PM (#98145)
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I'd like to pose the question to 7.3 powerstroke lovers only; what power upgrades have you done to your truck, what gave you the best gain for the money, are you finished with upgrades or do you still have more to do?

Thanks,

deranger

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racesarabhorses
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2009-01-24 5:22 PM (#98146 - in reply to #98145)
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The single best power upgrade I did for my 7.3 was to trade it on a Dodge Ram 3500 with the Cummins and a 6-speed manual transmission. :-)

Seriously, though, please provide us a bit more information. Year and auto or manual transmission to start.


Mike
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flyinghfarm
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2009-01-24 5:34 PM (#98147 - in reply to #98145)
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Edge programmer...........amazing gains in power, and better mileage to boot....absolutely stunned at the difference it made.
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2009-01-24 5:37 PM (#98148 - in reply to #98145)
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We bought a chip but other than giving us more rpms we didn't notice better mileage. While I love the truck ,2000 PSD 4 WD, it was a bit doggy. We also opened up some air intake. We do not plan any further upgrades other than someday getting a newer PSD.
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bluecowboy99
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2009-01-24 6:50 PM (#98149 - in reply to #98145)
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I have a 1999 f-350 crew cab 4x4 dualy w/auto, I installed a Powerhouse Diesel ehaust brake and tourque locker and a DR. Perforamce predator module. Plenty of power and pretty decent milage 15-17 loaded or empty.  I have alot of hills where I live and never struggled to get up any of them loaded. 
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2009-01-24 8:05 PM (#98153 - in reply to #98145)
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I had a very early production 2000 F350 SRW with the 7.3L.  I pulled a 3 horse aluminum with a mid tack and dressing room. I added a Superchip tow chip ( they didn't have the programers back then, You bought a chip fixed at a certain hp boost, mine added 50hp)  I also added a Pyro, which you will absolutely must do if you add any kind of a chip. I put a K&N air filter on that truck.  I ran that truck for almost 100,000 miles and sold it to my good friend for his excavation company. He tows a skid loader or mini excavator or something with it every day. The truck has over 250,000 miles now and is still going strong, although the sheet metal looks like heck from all the dents his employees have put in.

I then bought a 2003 F350 with a 6.0L ( built the first week of production) and it was stronger than my 7.3L but it did have a few problems  ( EGT, ICP, VGT )  Once Ford got those things cleaned up it ran with out any problems.

I now have a 2006 F350 again with the 6.0L and this one has the Edge Evolution, B&D Exhaust Brake and has performed flawlessly.

With toda's technology in chips and programers, I'd buy a good programer like the Edge Evolution and select the tow choice and just drive it.  ( with the gauges of course)

 

 

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flyinghfarm
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2009-01-24 8:20 PM (#98155 - in reply to #98145)
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Forgot to mention, we did add a pyrometer, boost guage, and tranny temp guage in a handy strip on the upright to the left of the dash.  Also a scorpion engine brake....this is a 2000 model F350.

 

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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-01-25 1:18 AM (#98176 - in reply to #98145)
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1) 1997 Ford F-350 crew cab dually 7.3L stroker, auto,4.10 gears, 170-k miles and still looks new.  TS Performance 4 bank 6 pos module, K&N intake kit, 3" downpipe 4" exhaust 5" SS tip.  Before any upgrades I would avg. around 14 empty and 11 loaded (18-klbs)  after upgrades avg. around 17 empty and 13 or so loaded.  Cost around 650.00!

2) 1999 Ford F-250 regular cab 2wd, 7.3L stroker, 6 speed hand shaker, 3.73 gears, 195-k miles.  Quadzilla chip, K&N INTAKE KIT, 4" exhaust 5" SS tip.  Before only checked empty would avg. 16 and after mods would avg. 20.  cost $450.00

3) off topic but still a stroker 2006 Ford F-250 regular cab 2wd, 6.0L, 5 speed auto, 3.73 gears, 141-k miles.  K&N intake kit, 4" exhaust (no cats) 5" SS tip, egr delete kit, no chip.  Before the upgrades I would avg. 15, after I am getting 17+ all day long.  cost $300.00

4) off topic 2007 Dodge Ram 3500 C/C 6.7L, 6speed auto.  no mods yet and POOR mileage 12?, but I can pull a house down!

5) Starting another 1996 Ford F-350 I just bought with 47-k actual miles.  Will be the same as number 1 on my list but will have stacks and I am going to try the S&B intake kit this time.

I think the exhaust system is the best upgrade for the money.  I like the plug in modules better than the regular old chip, because it adjust timming, fuel and air.

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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2009-01-25 6:21 AM (#98180 - in reply to #98146)
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Originally written by racesarabhorses on 2009-01-24 6:22 PM

The single best power upgrade I did for my 7.3 was to trade it on a Dodge Ram 3500 with the Cummins and a 6-speed manual transmission. :-) Seriously, though, please provide us a bit more information. Year and auto or manual transmission to start. Mike

Mike, the 7.3L powerstroke started as an option in 1993 and was taken out of production in 2003.  I didn't want to limit contributions from PS owners by telling them a certain tranny or year.  I wanted everyone that has experience with PS's, good or bad, to feel free to contribute what they wanted to share about upgrading their PS.  I also wanted to find out what works best, gives the best results for the money and cost of operation per mile.  With fuel costs rising sharply last year and OPEC dancing the cost of a barrel of oil up and down like it's riding on a see-saw, I wanted to see if we could find power upgrades that also offered some increase in fuel milage.

Seriously though, since you couldn't resist bashing the PS by promoting your Dodge, that means you don't follow instructions well.  So how many years did it take for you to pass kindergarden? 

deranger



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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2009-01-25 6:35 AM (#98181 - in reply to #98176)
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hogtownboss, that's exactly the kind of info I was hoping to see on this thread.  Thanks so much for contributing and good luck with your next 1997 project.

deranger

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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2009-01-25 6:37 AM (#98182 - in reply to #98147)
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Originally written by flyinghfarm on 2009-01-24 6:34 PM

Edge programmer...........amazing gains in power, and better mileage to boot....absolutely stunned at the difference it made.

I had heard that the Edge Programmer was a good bang for your buck.  I used the Super Chip on my 2001 F350 SRW 6spd and really like it!  I was looking at a purchasing an Excursion a while back and the owner had done a LOT of modes to this truck.  He had the latest version of the Edge and in "economy" mode it would do about 22 mpg hiway.  I thought that was REALLY impressive for an Excursion with auto/tranny and started getting curious about other types of modes that would help the PS and make it a better performer in all areas of driving. 

I like the Super Chip as it has 3 settings.  I keep it on the middle, 80 hp setting, and it does a great job.  EGT's and TIT's stay within limits even on long pulls and loaded.  Where I live we have some hills with some steep grades and there have been times that I was in 4th gear on a long pull @ 2550 rpm's for a while and the EGT's and TIT's stayed well within limits on the middle setting. 

deranger



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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2009-01-25 6:55 AM (#98183 - in reply to #98148)
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Originally written by farmbabe on 2009-01-24 6:37 PM

We bought a chip but other than giving us more rpms we didn't notice better mileage. While I love the truck ,2000 PSD 4 WD, it was a bit doggy. We also opened up some air intake. We do not plan any further upgrades other than someday getting a newer PSD.

farmbabe, what are you comparing your PS to when you say it was a bit doggy?  Hopefully not your ZL-1?

deranger



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racesarabhorses
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2009-01-25 7:15 AM (#98185 - in reply to #98181)
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Originally written by deranger on 2009-01-25 6:35 AM

hogtownboss, that's exactly the kind of info I was hoping to see on this thread.  Thanks so much for contributing and good luck with your next 1997 project.

deranger

deranger,Noted. I drove a 7.3 for about 4 years and loved the truck, but had to sell due to sheetmetal issues and maintenance costs that were creeping higher. The ribbing was in good fun, as that truck was probably my all-time favorite vehicle and I bleed Ford blue blood despite currently owning a Dodge. Ford couldn't get the numbers where I wanted them on an '06 Ford.The advice to get an exhaust gas temp gauge is very sagacious. Max temperature limit for the PSD if I recall is about 1250, but that likely varies by year. You can find more information about performance upgrades, etc. at www.oilburners.net or www.thedieselstop.com, the latter of which probably has tons of information but has so much advertising that the pages can be slow to load at times.If you have an automatic transmission, I'd suggest putting money aside for a rebuild (particularly if it is still original). Brian't Truck Shop provides one heckuva rebuild that can handle pretty much an power you throw at it, and also provides some other improvements that you'll see during daily driving/towing.Mike... a former "experienced" Ford diesel owner who graduated Kindergarten only once...
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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2009-01-25 7:55 AM (#98187 - in reply to #98185)
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My cousin graduated only once too, but he was 7...........

deranger



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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-01-25 11:05 AM (#98193 - in reply to #98180)
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deranger, FYI the 7.3L POWERSTROKE was did not happen until actually mid 1994 and was only offered in the 5 speed truck. The 1994 automatic trucks had the IDI 7.3 turbo engine then in 1995 ALL Ford diesels was the DI POWERSTROKE! 1993 was only the non turbo IDI and a TURBO IDI was an option. My opinion the ol' IDI truck are actually just as good (but a little slow) and REALLY CHEAP to work on!
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2009-01-25 12:54 PM (#98203 - in reply to #98145)
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Your fuel mileage will really vary with what you do with your truck.

Since the price of fuel went crazy last summer, I have really watched what my 6.0L does.  If I get on the highway and set the cruise at 70 and leave it there with an empty load and the tonnuea cover closed, I get 22 mpg.  If I chase around town, 30-40 mph with lots of stop and go. I get 13-14 mpg

If I hook up a trailer and get on the highway, I'll get 11  to 14 mpg depending on the trailer and the mountains I climb. And it doesn't matter if I hook up a 20 foot flat bed bumper pull or a 26 foot box 7.5' high Gooseneck Just pulling that extra set of axles changes my mileage.  I got 11.2mpg pulling a 16,000lb LQ Salt Lake to Yellowstone and I got 11.5mpg pulling a 6,000lb empty gooseneck, Bosie to Salt Lake the next week. I mean 10,000lbs less weight, I thought I'd get better mileage.

Also the seasons make a big difference.  Summer grade fuel has more BTU's than Winter Grade diesel. So you will always get better mileage in the warmer months.

I really don't see much difference in fuel mileage whether I have the chip in Tow mode or Stock mode. Mileage is about the same.

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racesarabhorses
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2009-01-25 5:00 PM (#98208 - in reply to #98145)
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One consideration... you could additional gearing if you're running high RPMs when towing. Kind of an overdrive overdrive. Gear vendors makes such a device. Not cheap.

Some folks have actually seen mileage improvements on K&N filters or similar devices from other manufacturers, but the single most thing that will improve mileage is to slow down. Most efficient speed on my truck is around 63-65, due to gearing. About that, I'm less in the efficiency band of the engine given my transmission and rear end ratio. I'll get 15+ miles per gallon all day long while pulling if I slow 'er down a tad.


Mike
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2009-01-25 8:14 PM (#98224 - in reply to #98145)
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Try a real truck forum http://www.thedieselstop.com/ There is no horse or tailer talk on that site if I'm not mistaken.



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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2009-01-25 8:28 PM (#98225 - in reply to #98208)
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Originally written by racesarabhorses on 2009-01-25 6:00 PM

One consideration... you could additional gearing if you're running high RPMs when towing. Kind of an overdrive overdrive. Gear vendors makes such a device. Not cheap. Some folks have actually seen mileage improvements on K&N filters or similar devices from other manufacturers, but the single most thing that will improve mileage is to slow down. Most efficient speed on my truck is around 63-65, due to gearing. About that, I'm less in the efficiency band of the engine given my transmission and rear end ratio. I'll get 15+ miles per gallon all day long while pulling if I slow 'er down a tad. Mike

I agree with you Mike, if I slow my PS down a tad, it does better on fuel.  I've found that 68mph is a "sweet spot" for my PS whether it's empty, fully loaded for a long weekend, or pulling my flat bed GN tri-axle with a load of lumber on it from the sawmill. 

deranger



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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2009-01-25 9:34 PM (#98231 - in reply to #98145)
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Depends on rear axel gear.3:55 and 3:73 pull better at 70 mph plus for the sweet spot.To fast for my liking.4:10s 68 mph and 70 tops.Puts most of these  diesels at a hair under 2000 rpm.
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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2009-01-26 9:02 AM (#98243 - in reply to #98231)
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houddog, you are right, the ratio will make a difference.  That's why I like reading your posts, you are always sharing the info in a more technical way than some of us.

Here's a question for you hounddog; have you had any experience adding a turbo to 6.9 or 7.3 IDI diesel?  I've been doing a lot of thinking about adding a Banks or ATS turbo to one of my work trucks.  Do you, or anyone else have any thoughts to share on that subject?

deranger

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2009-01-26 9:09 AM (#98245 - in reply to #98145)
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No I don't.I have read about add on turbos in the past that the add on turbo's work well on those engines.Turbo's in general work better on diesels then gas.I would think it would be rather costly.
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RTSmith
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Posted 2009-01-26 9:44 AM (#98246 - in reply to #98145)
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As you say, in several trucks with SuperChips base chip, mileage seemed to tank at over 2,000RPM. So the 3.73 trucks gave me about 3 MPH over the 4.11. But in the DRW, I believe Ford hasn't offered the limited slip in the 3.73, only the 4.11. I've been more impressed with how the Superchip altered the AT shifting than anything else. It really helped overall driveability.

You know what I'd really like is to have the '08 F-450 4x4 (that I gave up on the 6.4L and sold) with the 7.3L engines that I enjoyed in my '99-03s. Now that would be a truck!



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jim bob
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Posted 2009-01-26 10:00 AM (#98248 - in reply to #98145)
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I hate to be boring or dissappoint you "power" trip guys; but I drive an '01 model 350 CC 4x4 auto.  Never done a thing to it; strictly stock.  I use it to tow LQ trailers for our dealership; and also haul and deliver 15 round bale loads of hay (run a hay business) on a constant basis.  The truck has just shy of 250,000 miles on it.  Never touched the engine or the auto trans.  Just routine service. Maybe there is something to the fact, that if it didn't come from the factory that way; don't mess with it !!  This truck still has about the same power as it had when it had 50K on it.  It has definetely been a good one !!

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deranger
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Posted 2009-01-26 10:16 AM (#98249 - in reply to #98248)
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Good for you jim bob!  I left my 01 super duty F350 4x4 srw stock until around 80k and wasn't disappointed with the performance in any way.  My diesel mechanic sort of sold me on the idea of installing the Super Chip and it took him a while to do it too!  I finally decided to give it a try, but it was strickly a try.  He had to take his truck to the dealer for a service bulletin on the cam sensor and downloaded the Super Chip.  He asked me to come by the shop and loaded his Super Chip in my truck on the medium or middle setting for an 80 hp gain.  At first I couldn't tell a lot of difference since I don't hotrod or cowboy my truck around at all.  I finally got a chance to tow with it a few days later and was amazed at how much difference it made while I was towing!  That same week, I ordered a Super Chip for my truck and have been happy with it since.  Gained a couple of MPG and a lot more torque for towing. 

deranger



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