'
1
Forums Albums Skins 1
Search Register Logon


You are logged in as a guest. Logon or register an account to access more features.
OTHER FORUMS:    Barrel Horses  -   Trucks   -   Cutting  -   Reining  -   Roping 
'
Front escape door? How much is it worth?

Jump to page : 1 2
Now viewing page 1 [25 messages per page]
Last activity 2008-10-29 10:23 PM
39 replies, 19587 views

View previous thread :: View next thread
   General Discussion -> Trailer Talk  Click to return to Barrel Talk
Refresh
Message format
 
jtravis
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2008-10-25 11:05 PM (#93641)
Subject: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Regular


Posts: 62
2525
Location: Houston

I'm looking at a couple of 2H BP slant trailers. One has a front escape door and the other doesn't--they seem to be about the same otherwise. One with escape door is about $600 more, is it worth it? (Price range about $7500-8000). I can see it being helpful if trailer got rear ended and the back door couldn't be opened. Are there other important advantages?  Thanks!

P. S. Even if I buy the escape door, I plan to teach my horse to back out and unload her that way most of the time, just so that I know she can.

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2008-10-26 4:06 AM (#93643 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Expert


Posts: 3802
20001000500100100100
Location: Rocky Mount N.C.

The escape door is not really for the horse to unload from. It's a way for you to get out of the trailer when you load your horse. Escape door, not an unload door. $600.00 seem like alot, but I wouldn't have a trailer like that without one.... On either side.

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
Lynn0202
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-10-26 9:28 AM (#93651 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?



Veteran


Posts: 152
1002525
Location: Florence, SC
I would never be without an escape door. I use the escape door on a slant load to put extra stuff for camping trips into the trailer. It's also helpful for rinsing out the black tank through the toilet. But if the trailer is only for day rides and you're typically hauling one horse, you probably don't have a need for an escape door. Unless you get caught hauling a horse that may or may not load, may or may not stand tied in the trailer....I always want an escape route. An escape door is a lot safer than the alternative of scooting under/around the divider. (Speaking from personal experience).

Edited by Lynn0202 2008-10-26 9:29 AM
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2008-10-26 9:54 AM (#93653 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Expert


Posts: 1351
10001001001002525
Location: Decatur, Texas
600. for the door is not bad at all. Ours was more the line of a 1000.! But I NEVER use it to get out of when I load my horse, that is really dangerous! Say you have a horse that is a little jumpy, where is he going to go? right through you and the escape door! I use mine to clean up the trailer and haul extra hay or ice chest in the front stall. I know there is a lot of horse that don't back out of the trailer or owners don't let them or teach them to back out! With a little time and staying CLAIM any horse will and can back out of a trailer anywhere anytime! We have had horses that stupid people have put a rope on there back leg and tried to pull out and after a few hours we get them out the RIGHT way! (1 has taken a couple of day, but we only spend a half hour or so at a time) Good Luck

Edited by hogtownboss 2008-10-26 9:39 PM
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
flyinghfarm
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2008-10-26 3:25 PM (#93666 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Expert


Posts: 1205
1000100100
Location: Arkansas
Yes on the escape door.  For resale value if nothing else.  Yours may send into the trailer fine and back out slowly on command fine, but the next person may really need that door for a variety of reasons.  I recommend that everyone spend the time to teach their animals to load into a trailer without being led, and to back out as well....never know when you might have to utilize that training in an emergency.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-10-26 4:35 PM (#93673 - in reply to #93653)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Expert


Posts: 2614
2000500100
I am with you in agreeme nt about using the escape door to "escape" from when loading a horse.I've never used it for this,and,it never occurred to me to because of the danger.This may spark some disagreements,and folks may do this,but,you won't catch me doing it.I've personally heard of a horse running right out of it behind the person and flattening them on the ground,and it is a wonder they weren't killed.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
dweber2000
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2008-10-26 5:36 PM (#93676 - in reply to #93651)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?




2525
Location: Hartsville, SC
You definitely want an escape door. And I have witnessed a horse (small) diving through an escape door. So the moral of the story is:loading is dangerous unless you know what you are doing and there is a need to train your horse to load and unload calmly. It is a wonder more people aren't killed trying to load horses.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
horsey1
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2008-10-26 6:02 PM (#93677 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Elite Veteran


Posts: 720
500100100
Be careful that the escape door doesn't push the axles back too far and dictate too much tongue weight. Some mfg. won't put an escape door on a 2H for this reason.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-10-26 7:36 PM (#93681 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?



Expert


Posts: 2828
200050010010010025
Location: Southern New Mexico
What kind of escape door is it?  On the bp trailer we used to have it had an escape door on the passenger side that was for a person and we never opened it while there was a horse loaded.  I've never seen one with an escape door for horses.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2008-10-26 9:36 PM (#93684 - in reply to #93676)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Expert


Posts: 1351
10001001001002525
Location: Decatur, Texas

Originally written by dweber2000 on 2008-10-26 5:36 PM
loading is dangerous unless you know what you are doing and there is a need to train your horse to load and unload calmly. It is a wonder more people aren't killed trying to load horses.

 Well said dweber2000, I can't stand when we go ride somewhere or even to the vet and you someone pull in open the back door, then walk in and open the divider then run out and watch the horse struggle to turn around to get out!  Then when you offer them help, they tell you there is nothing wrong or "they have tired and the horse don't get it"!  I think to myself and keep reminding myself that it is not the horses fault and the horse only does what the owner ask of them.

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2008-10-26 10:07 PM (#93685 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Expert


Posts: 5870
50005001001001002525
Location: western PA

Although we bought trailers with a three horse capacity, we rarely carry more than two. The front stalls are commonly used for storage, so using the escape door for any animal is not realistic. Our outside escape doors are used for access into the stall to retrieve any item that is being stored, while there are horses in the last two stalls.

If you have a trailer with a pass through door from the DR or LQ, you can also access your stored materials. However, in most cases, the pass through door cannot be used as an emergency exit when loading a horse. Because the door opens into the stall, and it is usually located at about the shoulder or forward belly area of the horse, you could be trapped into the forward part of the stall ahead of the door. It can't be opened with a horse in the stall.

The front stall escape door, if you can afford it, is very handy. How many horses you plan to carry and how you plan to use the front stall, and if you have a pass through door, will determine if the lack of one will be a deal breaker for you. I would not purchase any trailer that didn't have at least one of the two types of doors. A front stall without any type of exterior access, would be of little use for our needs.

Gard

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
genebob
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2008-10-26 11:21 PM (#93691 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Elite Veteran


Posts: 714
500100100
Location: Minnesota
A couple of questions I have always asked myself and couldn't answer. Maybe the wise informed people on this forum can help.(1) If it's an escape door why can't you open it from the inside?(2) How do you escape from any stall but the first one?(3) Related to #2. If it's so important to be able to escape, why don't they put escape doors on all the stalls?Just a few questions for you to contemplate.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
genebob
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2008-10-26 11:24 PM (#93692 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Elite Veteran


Posts: 714
500100100
Location: Minnesota
Sorry, but his MAC won't let me make paragraghs.Any way all we ever use our front stall for is storage and as a mud room.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
Lynn0202
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-10-27 5:24 PM (#93739 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?



Veteran


Posts: 152
1002525
Location: Florence, SC

I've never used the escape door to unload a horse and all my trailers have had a steel chest bar that stays up when the door is open. I have personally seen a horse follow their less-than-genious human counterpart through the escape door.

My understanding of the escape door is for people only and it was to be used for the person to exit the trailer after the horse is loaded (straight load situation maybe) or to load/unload things out of that stall. Also, I have been led to believe that the construction around the escape door may not be sufficient to withstand a horse using it.

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
gabz
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2008-10-27 5:40 PM (#93741 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?



Expert


Posts: 1391
1000100100100252525
Location: North of Detroit, MI

She's asking about a TWO HORSE BP slant load trailer. 

to jtravis.. . as others have said, the escape door is for PEOPLE OR.. in the event of a wreck, someone being able to get into the trailer to help the horse(s).  BUT.. there's a 50-50 chance the trailer is going to end up laying on that side anyway - so it won't help in those instances.

If you have drop down windows, they are typically large enough for a person to get into the trailer in the event of an emergency. Sliding "bus" windows on the butt side should also be large enough to kick out / kick in / otherwise remove to gain access to the horse.

I say - it depends on the nature of the handler and the horse.  If you think you will be storing things in the front stall (bales of hay or large water tank) then get the door. 

Otherwise, keep it simple. Go for a rear tack and butt bar.

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
jtravis
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2008-10-28 12:30 AM (#93762 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Regular


Posts: 62
2525
Location: Houston

It's this one.

http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/home/trailerdetail.asp?ID=156988

I don't plan to use it for unloading, though to me it looks like the front horse could go out that way if there was a need. I can definitely see a horse trying to rush out that way, which would be dangerous. I don't plan to lead the horse into the trailer and then "escape" through it--I plan to teach the horse to load herself and then back out. I was thinking more for emergencies--a friend who has a similar door told me it was also great for cleaning the trailer and for giving the horse a drink from a bucket if you were stopped on a long trip--buckets through the drop-down windows might be awkward.

If I get this one, I think it would be a good idea, after horse is loading, standing and unloading calmly, to make sure she will also stand calmly inside when that door is opened. Hopefully that will prevent her trying to rush out the door if there is ever a need to open it. Thanks for all the suggestions!

 

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
jtravis
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2008-10-28 12:40 AM (#93763 - in reply to #93676)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Regular


Posts: 62
2525
Location: Houston
I definitely plan to train my horse to load/unload calmly. The need to do this is a big part of why I have decided to buy my own truck and trailer instead of trying to scrounge a ride with someone else if I ever want to take her anywhere. My horse's next-door neighbor at my boarding stable died in a trailer loading accident a couple weeks ago--I was already motivated to train mine to load calmly, but this was a huge reminder to me of the importance of good training. I don't plan to skimp on this.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
ridingarocky
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2008-10-28 5:28 AM (#93767 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?



Elite Veteran


Posts: 681
500100252525
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas

I looked at that ad also.. However, luckily I still have my straight load which has prevented me from making any hasty impulsive need-to-have-it-now purchases.. When I get my trailer ordered, it will also have the escape door.. I chose that option specifically for use as a storage stall for hay, water, use as a cowboy shower enclosure, etc.  I didn't look feasible to have a horse jumping out of that doorway.. My silly goose would probably take down a hip.....I'd love to buy used, but can't find exactly what I want.. I'd also love to have a 3 horse BP (which there seems to be a LOT more available used with a few more amenities), but don't have the muscle to pull it safely..

Good luck! I live fairly close, so maybe we'll run into each other sometime.

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
gabz
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2008-10-28 4:29 PM (#93814 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?



Expert


Posts: 1391
1000100100100252525
Location: North of Detroit, MI

Looks like a good deal. One comment on the write-up... those are not 60-40 doors. Look at where the 3 top running lights are and then look at the seam between the 2 doors. It's lined up in the center.

Not too big of a deal - I can get my horses to load with only 1 rear door open, but I don't have the rear tack so once they put their heads through that opening, the entire trailer is open.

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
horsey1
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2008-10-28 4:34 PM (#93816 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Elite Veteran


Posts: 720
500100100
Gabz, I don't think it is centered. It definitely isn't at 60:40, but looking at the latches on top, there is an offset isn't there?
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
terri s
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2008-10-28 4:38 PM (#93818 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Elite Veteran


Posts: 824
500100100100
Location: Kansas

I have a front escape door on my 2H slant load GN and I have actually used it recently to unload. I had a large mare in the front stall because it had more room and she was already cramped. Little crippled horse in back stall. When it came time to unload, I didn't want little crippled horse (first trailer ride) to have to learn to back right there and in the dark so unloaded mare from front stall and allowed baby to turn around and come out that way.

Call me paranoid but in case of a wreck of any kind, I would still like the first horse to have a possible route of escape. Me too, for that matter!

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
gabz
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2008-10-28 5:31 PM (#93824 - in reply to #93816)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?



Expert


Posts: 1391
1000100100100252525
Location: North of Detroit, MI

Originally written by horsey1 on 2008-10-28 5:34 PM

Gabz, I don't think it is centered. It definitely isn't at 60:40, but looking at the latches on top, there is an offset isn't there?

Only because the right-hand door overlaps the left-hand door a couple of inches. Ask me how I know.    (I have one).  The left-hand door has to be closed and latched before the right-hand door can be closed and latched.

And then, I pop a small clip in there to make sure the latch stays down. It's sort of like a clevis pin but it's called a "safety pin" here:

http://www.drillspot.com/products/352253/Approved_Vendor_5VU61_Safety_Pin



Edited by gabz 2008-10-28 5:36 PM
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
jtravis
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2008-10-28 10:56 PM (#93843 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Regular


Posts: 62
2525
Location: Houston
Thanks! And thanks for pointing out the doors aren't 60/40, though I really don't care about that. I see what you mean about the overlapping doors.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
genebob
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2008-10-28 11:26 PM (#93845 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Elite Veteran


Posts: 714
500100100
Location: Minnesota
terri s- I'm not trying to cause an argument here, just trying to get things straight in my head. If the crippled one could turn around in the back stall, why did you have to take the other one out the front? Or was the crippled one the mares foal and you took the mare around to the back again right away? Just curious.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
terri s
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2008-10-29 7:56 AM (#93854 - in reply to #93641)
Subject: RE: Front escape door? How much is it worth?


Elite Veteran


Posts: 824
500100100100
Location: Kansas
Sorry, guess that wasn't clear. The mare went out the front end, allowing me to move the divider so the little crippled girl had lots more room to turn around and go out face first, rather than trying to get around and get her to back out. There wasn't really enough room for her to turn around until the mare went out.

Edited by terri s 2008-10-29 7:58 AM
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
Jump to page : 1 2
Now viewing page 1 [25 messages per page]
Jump to forum :
Search this forum
Printer friendly version
E-mail a link to this thread
Message format
 

'
Registered to: Horse Trailer World
(Delete all cookies set by this site)