Posted 2009-04-24 10:37 AM (#103881 - in reply to #103673) Subject: RE: This ain't good.....
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I looked Biodol up and found that if this is what they were using it is more than vit & minerals. I had to paste this from the website. http://www.inpharmation.ie/drug.php?id=257 Genertic - tramadol Brand name - Tramex, Tramapine, Tramake, Tradol, Ixprim (with paracetamol), By-madol, Biodol, Xymel, Zamadol, Zydol Summary - Opiate analgesic = opiate like pain relief Used for management of severe pain, where morphine(analogue) is not (yet) required. Can be combined with other pain relief medication as well as NSAID’s (anti-inflammatories). Not suitable for long-term treatment. How do they work? Tramadol attaches to the opiate receptors. Like the opiates it relieves the pain but because of chemical differences it has fewer adverse effects and is not as strong as morphine. How long do you take them for? As long as pain relief is required, but can lead to habitual use and physical dependence. When does the effect show or when is it noticeable? An hour after the first dose and can last for 6-8 hours. What are the side effects if any? Sweating, dry-mouth, headache, cough-suppressant, nausea, vomiting, constipation, dizziness, breathing problems and wheezing. Rarely convulsions; which is a contra-indication to use tramadol.
Posted 2009-04-24 11:09 AM (#103882 - in reply to #103881) Subject: RE: This ain't good.....
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Originally written by Rockinghorserun on 2009-04-24 10:37 AM
I looked Biodol up and found that if this is what they were using it is more than vit & minerals. I had to paste this from the website. http://www.inpharmation.ie/drug.php?id=257 Genertic - tramadol Brand name - Tramex, Tramapine, Tramake, Tradol, Ixprim (with paracetamol), By-madol, Biodol, Xymel, Zamadol, Zydol Summary - Opiate analgesic = opiate like pain relief Used for management of severe pain, where morphine(analogue) is not (yet) required. Can be combined with other pain relief medication as well as NSAID’s (anti-inflammatories). Not suitable for long-term treatment. How do they work? Tramadol attaches to the opiate receptors. Like the opiates it relieves the pain but because of chemical differences it has fewer adverse effects and is not as strong as morphine. How long do you take them for? As long as pain relief is required, but can lead to habitual use and physical dependence. When does the effect show or when is it noticeable? An hour after the first dose and can last for 6-8 hours. What are the side effects if any? Sweating, dry-mouth, headache, cough-suppressant, nausea, vomiting, constipation, dizziness, breathing problems and wheezing. Rarely convulsions; which is a contra-indication to use tramadol.
That is different stuff.
According to Merial Limited, the manufacturer of Biodyl, the compound is made of vitamin B12, selenium, potassium and magnesium.
I just read that the pharmacy stated that they had put in ten times too much selenium which is toxic to horses in large doses.
Edited to add;
"Dr. Loyd V. Allen Jr., a pharmacist and editor-in-chief of the Oklahoma-based International Journal of Pharmaceutical Compounding, said he believes it is legal to make the Biodyl substitute. "All of the ingredients in it... are components of drugs here in the United States that are legal or have been in use," Allen said."
Posted 2009-04-24 1:05 PM (#103891 - in reply to #103673) Subject: RE: This ain't good.....
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You wouldn't ride in a car with me if I was all jacked up on crack, so why would you throw a leg over a horse that is all jacked up on some potion from a vet, be it legal or not. This is the very reason that I don't show horses or compete at any kind of National level, they should be testing all horses and if they find so much as an asprin in one the trainer/owner should be banned for life in any kind of competition. Walking horses don't do all that action naturally, Quarter horses don't lope around in the field with their noses on the ground, Standardbreds tails don't naturally have a kink in them at the base, ect.... ect.....
I think the vet that ordered it should never be allowed to own/treat/train another horse.
Posted 2009-04-24 1:28 PM (#103893 - in reply to #103673) Subject: RE: This ain't good.....
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HWBar... You can come test my, sound, flat shod Walking Horses anytime you want.... Only thing they may be OD'n on is Bermuda grass, Oat Hay, a little Omolene 100 sweet feed, carrots and maybe an occasional Diet Dr. Pepper!!
Posted 2009-04-24 2:06 PM (#103898 - in reply to #103673) Subject: RE: This ain't good.....
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HWBar - Here are the four ingredients listed as being in Biodyl sold seperately. Nowhere in there is crack listed. These do everything from promoting red blood cells to electrolytes for preventing dehydration. Not much different than the vitamin pack that I take each morning.
Posted 2009-04-24 4:21 PM (#103910 - in reply to #103893) Subject: RE: This ain't good.....
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Originally written by retento on 2009-04-24 1:28 PM
HWBar... You can come test my, sound, flat shod Walking Horses anytime you want.... Only thing they may be OD'n on is Bermuda grass, Oat Hay, a little Omolene 100 sweet feed, carrots and maybe an occasional Diet Dr. Pepper!!
Nothing against your horses Retento, but the Walking horses I see at shows are not sound, and not in a natural gait. If yours are then I applaud you, but I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about.
Posted 2009-04-24 4:26 PM (#103912 - in reply to #103898) Subject: RE: This ain't good.....
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Originally written by Tresvolte on 2009-04-24 2:06 PM
HWBar - Here are the four ingredients listed as being in Biodyl sold seperately. Nowhere in there is crack listed. These do everything from promoting red blood cells to electrolytes for preventing dehydration. Not much different than the vitamin pack that I take each morning.
The ingredient list I saw this morning had 12 ingredients plus whatever pain medication you wanted for a base, it may not have crack in it, but it give the same results as crack, "it's used to alleviate exhaustion", from what I hear so does crack.
Posted 2009-04-24 4:42 PM (#103913 - in reply to #103912) Subject: RE: This ain't good.....
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Originally written by HWBar on 2009-04-24 4:26 PM
The ingredient list I saw this morning had 12 ingredients plus whatever pain medication you wanted for a base
I haven't seen anything listing 12 ingredients, not saying that there wasn't. According to Merial that makes Biodyl, there are four main ingredients, and that it is basically a vitamin/mineral supplement. No painkillers in the original that I have been able to find anything on. Now the mixture that the pharmacy made...that is another question.
Posted 2009-04-24 9:32 PM (#103926 - in reply to #103910) Subject: RE: This ain't good.....
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Nothing against your horses Retento, but the Walking horses I see at shows are not sound, and not in a natural gait. If yours are then I applaud you, but I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about.
It depends on which horse show you go too. I know what you are talking about though. Saw it myself at a big show. Pretty obvious and I thought the horse was awesome but I would dare not do that to my horse. I couldn't stand myself if I did. Don't care to see it again, once I thougth about it. Rentento's is flat shod, He's in a plantation shoe or the like. About as natural as you can get for showing, if he shows.
Posted 2009-04-24 11:29 PM (#103927 - in reply to #103673) Subject: RE: This ain't good.....
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A couple shots of one of our "walking horses" 2007 NWHA horse of the year, "She's Doubly Delightful"...... Wife shows NWHA versatility classes, over fences-jumping, hunter hack, trail obstacle, pleasure driving, obstacle driving, western riding, reining, Dressage levels 1, 2 and 3. Around the ring classes trail pleasure open 3 gait western, etc. Not all walking horses are padded up and "fixed". Biggest shoe we use is a 3/8" thick x 3/4" wide flat shoe, kegs or either barefoot on the rear.... Need some of those sliding plates on the rear for those western versatility classes!!
Posted 2009-04-25 9:52 PM (#103951 - in reply to #103927) Subject: RE: This ain't good.....
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Rentento, when showing Dressage does your Walker trot or running walk? Just wondering how the judges score her movement since most carded Dressage judges are not familiar with gaited horses.
Posted 2009-04-26 1:32 AM (#103954 - in reply to #103951) Subject: RE: This ain't good.....
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Originally written by ponytammy on 2009-04-25 10:52 PM
Rentento, when showing Dressage does your Walker trot or running walk? Just wondering how the judges score her movement since most carded Dressage judges are not familiar with gaited horses.
Running walk... If you're putting on a show, you got to be carefull as to who you contact for a Dressage judge.... There's finally a few Dressage judges out there that can distinguish the difference between a flat walk and a running walk. And there's some that will never "get it".