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3yrHitch2Bumper
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2006-06-10 11:06 AM (#42825)
Subject: Freightliner or IH ????


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I have noticed that the truck world is really stirred up.  Looking for some feedback on which is a better truck....Freightliner M2 or the IH 4400......Let's not talk conversion....only trucks.......power plants,turning radius,ride,performance,etc...etc.....

 

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Posted 2006-06-10 12:11 PM (#42829 - in reply to #42825)
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Originally written by 3yrHitch2Bumper on 2006-06-10 11:06 AM

I have noticed that the truck world is really stirred up. Looking for some feedback on which is a better truck....Freightliner M2 or the IH 4400......Let's not talk conversion....only trucks.......power plants,turning radius,ride,performance,etc...etc.....



Funny you bring this up at this time;
A couple or three hundered miles ago, in the wee small hours of this morning, I got into a chat with a trucker about the bigger trucks. At one point I murmured something about getting one and putting a 15 horse trailer on it to do coast to coast hauling - for MONEY. His response was that it wouldn't load it enough to keep me from getting a LOT of tickets.

Hmmm, 15 horses... Yeah, I guess 15,000 isn't much for a truck that size.
Then he asked me how many horses I have now; I was tired and said "three hundred" - he didn't mean under the hood (-:

WRT parameters such as turning circle, performance, cost of ownership, I doubt that even going to a 4500 or Kodiak would be a good idea (for ME).
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3yrHitch2Bumper
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2006-06-10 1:50 PM (#42833 - in reply to #42829)
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Thx Reg.....but what kind of weight?? Are you saying 15000# ?? Have you driven a M2 or a 4400 series IH ? I do not think that a C4500 Kodiak can be put in this picture...When it comes down to putting a 18000# LQ(b-4 horse's & tack) on it, the back end is going to drag the ground & jerk you all the way to your next show..Your next stop after the show will be your local chiropractor.......Thanks for your feedback Reg...
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Posted 2006-06-10 4:05 PM (#42838 - in reply to #42833)
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Originally written by 3yrHitch2Bumper on 2006-06-10 1:50 PM

Thx Reg.....but what kind of weight?? Are you saying 15000# ?? Have you driven a M2 or a 4400 series IH ? I do not think that a C4500 Kodiak can be put in this picture...When it comes down to putting a 18000# LQ(b-4 horse's & tack) on it, the back end is going to drag the ground & jerk you all the way to your next show..Your next stop after the show will be your local chiropractor.......Thanks for your feedback Reg...


I was just thinking that the guy was right, 15 horses at 1,000 each isn't much of a load for a BIG rig such as we were discussing last night/this morning. Yeah, OK allowances for tack and water and feed and on and on.
We weren't talking about hauling portable homes around, just horses coast to coast as a business.

For MY priorities I really don't want anything bigger for turning around than a 1-ton with 300 HP and that can pull 5 horses well enough.
I like horses, I like them a LOT, I just don't sleep in horse trailers.
I can't see most of the motor_home/travel_trailer/take_your_home_and_kitchen_sink_with_you/quasi_LQ thang. So maybe a Kodiak and a 6 horse head to head plus motels is my "style" - at least I know I can turn it around in more places and actually get it INTO and OUT OF the next show that I go to (-:
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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2006-06-11 3:15 AM (#42850 - in reply to #42825)
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3yrHitch2Bumper, I would begin to answer your question by looking at the fleet vehicles on the road today.  Freightliner is one of my favorite trucks and has been for a LONG time, even before the Sportchasis thang.  IH is VERY dominate in the towtruck world and there are quite a few reasons for that dominance.  Purchase cost, cost of operation/mile, life expectancy and return on investment.  I like IH trucks as well as Freightliner and if I were buying a midsize work truck (I hate to say this) Monday morning, it would be IH.  If I were buying a midsize play truck, it would be a Freightliner sportchasis, with the CAT engine option! I saw a 4X4 Freightliner on I-81 about a month ago and made it a point to get a really good look at for several miles before my exit came up.  NICE LOOKING TRUCK!!!!  I have freinds on each end of the state that run a full time towing service and the truck of choice for midsize duty is IH with all the options and Jerrdan rollbacks.  F.Y.I., Jerrdan is made right here where I live and I happen to own an older one, light duty, that we use in our contracting business every day.  I hope this anwers your quetion? Happy trails.
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JustinM
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Posted 2006-06-11 8:06 PM (#42874 - in reply to #42825)
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When you talk about 15,000 pounds being put on a trailer Reg. Despite popular beliefe, VERY RARELY will people with 15 horses actually put 15 horses on a trailer. Not that they can't get the business, but because it gets EXTREMELY hot when there is even 12 on. Even on a well ventilated Morton-Davis or Pegasus. Also we, as well as many others in horse transport business, like to keep a few spots open for general storage.

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Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2006-06-12 10:50 AM (#42896 - in reply to #42825)
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When I went truck shopping, my criteria was SAFTEY and reliablity first, power second, HD tranny third, comfort fourth and looks fifth. Everything else just kind of didn't matter to me as much.

I have a M2 and a 2002 GMC crew cab 4x4 dually that pulls the same LQ trailer. The turning radius is much, much better in the M2 than in the dually. I feel safer pulling all over the country in the M2 since the visabilty is much better and if I was to loose trailer brakes, it would not be a problem. If I lost trailer brakes in the mts with the dually......forget it.

I also test drove the Kodiaks, the International and the Ford 650 supercruizer. I spent my money  on the FL M2 Sportchassis. I thought the Kodiak didn't really give me more power or tranny just was a bigger truck than the dually. The I researched it for over a year before I bought. I am very pleased with my choice but since I trade every few years, I probably would not have bought the extended  warranty. They said it was transferrable, we'll see when it is time.

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3yrHitch2Bumper
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2006-06-13 12:55 PM (#42957 - in reply to #42825)
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Now that is what I am talking about !!! Thank you !! Stopping,turning,safety,heavy weight pulling capacity....the M2 does seem to be more superior to the Kodiak's & 3500's....I appreciate your honesty.....people run the wheels off a dually and go buy another one...when if they would just spend alittle more the first time & step into a M2, they are done buying trucks...and can get 700,000 + miles out of a M2....It really isn't rocket science...
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paintthatain't
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Posted 2006-06-13 8:11 PM (#42982 - in reply to #42825)
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Ok here's my 2 cents. I drive a 03' Pete 330 w/ 300HP Cat 3126, 9spd. shop truck every day. In traffic, in the mountains, long hwy trips etc. It weighs in at about 26,000with my daily tools. Now my personal truck is a 03' Chev 2500HD Duramax with all the toys. Now for my opinion: I love both trucks, both have there place but what I do know is when I buy that 6 horse trailer the wife's been spying, the chev is going to get a big brother. The Pete is easy to drive and more suited for the long hauls. It's no hot rod but it still manuevers comprable to my P/U. The engine, trans, axles, brakes arn't really a factor when choosing brands because almost all manufactors offer similer options. The only thing I don't like about the Fruitliners is that the cabs don't hold up well over time. When my check book comes out of hiding either the Pete or IH dealer will owe me dinner & a movie.......

P.S. Why do all these mid size trucks have autos, I think the 9spd is good exercise.

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Posted 2006-06-14 5:52 AM (#42992 - in reply to #42982)
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paintthatain't, YOU SAID A MOUTHFUL MAN!!!!

Our 2001 Superduty PSD has the manual tranny and I didn't have to do much talking to talk my wife into getting a truck with a clutch since she grew up on the farm.  There are several freight companies and truck dealers in my local area since we are sitting at I-81 and I-70 and that makes for a lot of choices for used trucks.  I grew up on Mack trucks and Mack has a plant here in town as well.  I'm partial to Freightliner since I have a lot saddle time in them. I totally agree that "Pete" is the top of the line, KW, Mack, Freightliner and rest come after Peterbuilt.  Once again you hit the nail on the head with your comments on a 9-spd tranny. I keep thinking that one of these days, I'll cruise by one of the truck dealers and there will be a single axle day cab with aluminum wheels sitting there with my name on it. Oh well, back to reality. Thanks for your comments on trucks and happy trails.

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Reg
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-06-14 7:32 AM (#42994 - in reply to #42874)
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Originally written by JustinM on 2006-06-11 8:06 PM

When you talk about 15,000 pounds being put on a trailer Reg. Despite popular beliefe, VERY RARELY will people with 15 horses actually put 15 horses on a trailer. Not that they can't get the business, but because it gets EXTREMELY hot when there is even 12 on. Even on a well ventilated Morton-Davis or Pegasus. Also we, as well as many others in horse transport business, like to keep a few spots open for general storage.



Yes, I understand the "thermal density" issue.
I rarely have all slots filled in my head to head trailer, though sometimes there is a body or two in the middle. I could get a 7 horse slant configuration in the same box length, but that would tempt me to take 7 horses when everybody and their friends want to go somewhere and it would get RIPE in there on a hot day.
We were just kicking around the 15,000 lb as a near worst case and saying that it isn't much for the sort of tractor that we were talking about. It was late (early ?) and he was joking that with such a light load he'd be collecting green stamps all day, that sort of chat (-:

I think my head is pointed in a "minimalist truck" direction these days, minimal but still safe, but of course ANYTHING is safe if you drive within it's limitations. I'm just not towards the "over trucked" and since I have no plans to EVER sleep in a horse trailer I think I can safely top out at 1 ton duallies.

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Posted 2006-06-14 7:42 AM (#42995 - in reply to #42982)
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Originally written by paintthatain't on 2006-06-13 8:11 PM

Ok here's my 2 cents. I drive a 03' Pete 330 w/ 300HP Cat 3126, 9spd. shop truck every day. In traffic, in the mountains, long hwy trips etc. It weighs in at about 26,000with my daily tools. Now my personal truck is a 03' Chev 2500HD Duramax with all the toys. Now for my opinion: I love both trucks, both have there place but what I do know is when I buy that 6 horse trailer the wife's been spying, the chev is going to get a big brother. The Pete is easy to drive and more suited for the long hauls. It's no hot rod but it still manuevers comprable to my P/U. The engine, trans, axles, brakes arn't really a factor when choosing brands because almost all manufactors offer similer options. The only thing I don't like about the Fruitliners is that the cabs don't hold up well over time. When my check book comes out of hiding either the Pete or IH dealer will owe me dinner & a movie.......

P.S. Why do all these mid size trucks have autos, I think the 9spd is good exercise.

 

Just so you know, peterbilt has replaced the 330 with the new 335 last year. And I think the engine you have is Pre-EPA regulations that were set in october of 03? and with the new cats coming out as of Jan 1 2007, the price will rise just because of the engine alone (rumored to be at least $2000 at least for any Cat) plus they will get less MPG's due to their EGR technology.

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3yrHitch2Bumper
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2006-06-14 1:08 PM (#43008 - in reply to #42982)
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WOW!!!! Somehow I think we are moving from toter trucks to road tractors.
Yeah, Pete & KW build the toter trucks also, but I am talking about non-air brake trucks...non-CDl...non-FET...19500 GVW trucks....When you step up to that class of truck things will change...As far as a rod sticking out of the floor...I feel that is a personal preference...most guys hauling heavy,heavy weight with alot of hills want the hogleg....but once again,that applies to the KW & Pete.....

I really wanted to stay apples to apples.....not apples to oranges....
The feedback has been good..let's keep it going !!!!! Thanks to all who have played...
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retento
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Posted 2006-06-14 1:50 PM (#43010 - in reply to #42825)
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I'll take one of those 4400LP IH's with a DT-570E and a six speed Allison. I used to like to row through the gears but I'm shy a leg now so the "rowing" can be done by the Allison. These new transmission know when to correctly shift more so that we do. Still nothing like putting it in the the hole that you want when you want!
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hav2ride
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Posted 2006-06-14 3:06 PM (#43014 - in reply to #43008)
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What brand and size trailer are you pulling? I am considering an M2 also because my F450 has been having too many hissy fits for my taste. I am a little leary of the 4500 because of the horse power. I don't like to put add ons on my trucks because I like having valid warranties.
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JustinM
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Posted 2006-06-14 7:49 PM (#43024 - in reply to #42825)
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o also, I have heard a lot of good things about the Mercedes engines being put into Freightliners of all sizes. Best thing though, they supposedly get just as good of MPG's as the Pre-EPA 03 emissions because they arent built or manufactured in North america so they dont have to comply until Jan 1 07.
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paintthatain't
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Posted 2006-06-14 9:24 PM (#43028 - in reply to #42825)
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JustinM, When I buy a truck it will either have the Cummins or Mercedes we have all 3 in our fleet and the new merc is a great engine. As for the 3126 it does have all the tier II crap and being a JD dealer it sucks going to Cat for repairs. It seems like no one around hear will touch the 3116 or 3126 will a 10' pole. 3yrHitch2Bumper, Are you just worried about cost or do you have something against air brakes, I wish you could get em' on smaller trucks. I run my rig hard all day and with almost 100k on it the brake linings still look great. Try that with a over glorified P/U dragging a 15,000lb. boat anchor for 3yrs.

Strictly opinions so don't hurt me guys

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JustinM
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Posted 2006-06-15 7:28 AM (#43038 - in reply to #42825)
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what model of cummins are you looking into?
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paintthatain't
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2006-06-15 10:54 PM (#43085 - in reply to #42825)
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We have a couple of trucks with newer ISC engines running between 250-300hp. They seem to be holding up ok. I may have a bias against Cat because they are my mortal enemy but, My friggn' 3126 took a big crap while I was driving down Hwy 16 today. Go Deere or go home!    
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Posted 2006-06-15 10:56 PM (#43086 - in reply to #42825)
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Sorry, sitting on the side of the freeway puts me in a pissy mood..........
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-06-16 9:32 AM (#43094 - in reply to #43008)
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3yr, check your PM.

Edited by hav2ride 2006-06-16 9:33 AM
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brushycreekranch
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2006-06-17 11:07 AM (#43144 - in reply to #42825)
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Hav2ride asked......What brand and size trailer are you pulling?

4 Star 4H LQ 33' on the box

4 Star Stock combo 18' on the box

Big tex 20' flatbed hauler

28 ft S2 Tiara Yacht on a 35' trailer

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3yrHitch2Bumper
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Posted 2006-06-17 1:10 PM (#43159 - in reply to #43024)
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You are correct........the MBE 926 is a inline 6 cylinder...330 Hp @ 2200 RPM....1000 lb-ft @ 1300 to 1600 RPM....water cooled with 3 valve technology.....it is a 439 cu.in.motor...7.2 liters....it is rated from the factory at 10-12 MPG......FYI....it is also backed by Detroit across the country....That is nice..........The engine is built to give you peak torque at low engine speeds.....This is the real deal......Think about it...22.5 rubber....4:56 rear gear....75 MPH @ 2000 RPM....

This engine is now standard in the new M2...19,500 GVW cab & chassis that Sport Chassis uses for their trucks.....

The 330 option is a computer program.....it comes 300 standard...............FYI ....

 

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JustinM
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Posted 2006-06-17 10:58 PM (#43181 - in reply to #42825)
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the reason the MBE is backed by Detroit is because Detroit is owned by Freightliner/Daimler Chrysler and so is MBE. Thats why you wont see any Detroits in anything other than Sterling/Freightliner/Western Star anymore.
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Posted 2006-06-18 6:52 PM (#43206 - in reply to #43008)
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I've got an M2 Sportchassis and it is worth every penny... The reason for the M2 is that my Superduty lost both the tranny (a HD Jasper) the brakes coming down an 8% grade w/ a 4 horse + LQ with my wife, 7yr and 5 yr old... Not fun - yes, I was within Ford's so called tow weight rating and the trailer brakes were set correctly. I like my toys and hauling them safely w/ the family is #1. A huge bonus is the incredible ride & total comfort the M2 provides for my wife + kids. Helps make the road trips more fun for all. The 19" TV / DVD / Video game LCD screen that plays thru headsets for the kids (speakers playing my tunes at the same time) is awesome - again making the road trips pass quicker.

Take a drive in the IH - its a truck - load and uncomfortable compared to the Sportchassis. By the way, my wife can easily drive the Sportchassis and actually kind of enjoys it. The rig is only about 1 ft longer than the longbed dually, but mutch wider and taller. Take one for a spin and you'll immediately notice that it is significantly easier to drive on narrow 2 lane roads than a std dually p/u...

Get an '06 before the big price jump on the '07s for the emmissions BS.
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