IS there anywhere that I can find a chart/listing of horse trailer weights, (empty weight) without having to go to each manufactur website individually? 

I have been asked to write an article on the DOT regulations relating to horse trailers and I need to be able to show that basically any 3 horse trailer loaded is going to weigh above 10,001 lbs.

 ***** Addition  Truck, trailer and load weigh over 10,001 ******

Thanks 

I have been asked to write an article on the DOT regulations relating to horse trailers and I need to be able to show that basically any 3 horse trailer loaded is going to weigh above 10,001 lbs.

well - you're gonna have a VERY hard time with that.

There is no standard for how much a horse trailer weighs - loaded or unloaded. EVERY MODEL trailer will be different AND... it also depends on what is put into a LQ or weekender package.

all 3H loaded trailers will NOT weigh over 10,001 lbs.

There are quite a few 4H, GN alum trailers, with 2' shortwalls and NO appliances that weigh less than 4500 pounds. If someone were to load 4,  500 pound horses in there (most likely ponies with that weight), and removed all the dividers...  the LOADED trailer might go up to 6425 pounds (allowing 25 pounds per divider). 

So... you're barking up the wrong tree.

Manufacturer websites won't give you what you need either.  Most of their weights are estimates based on the bill of materials and generalities. 

I removed 1 divider and the steel saddle rack from my ALL STEEL, single wall trailer, then I added about 400 pounds of paneling and insulation to the 4' shortwall area. I put 1, 1050 pound horse on the trailer, 400 pounds of camping gear (hay, feed, water, etc.)  and my trailer is "loaded". Oh, it started at 5130 pounds .... so subtract out the 45 - 50 pounds for the rack and divider I removed, then add in everything I mentioned.  That's **MY** loaded 3H GN trailer - which is VERY different from a loaded 3H, BP trailer with 3 horses in it being towed by an oversized SUV (Excursion, Suburban) with 3 adults in it with a weight distribution hitch, 3, 1000 pound horses, 300 pounds of hay on the roof, and 40 gallons of water. 

P.S. You might be able to find a 2 horse trailer, with LQ and slide-outs that weighs over 10,001 pounds when loaded. ..  I'll even bet there's one or two on this website that are for sale. : )

I would say most 3h gooseneck trailers won't make that weight.  I just sold a 3 horse all steel gooseneck trailer that weighed 5400 lbs empty (no LQ, basic tack room, etc), and with an average horse weight of 1000 lbs, and three saddles at 50 lbs each,  that's still just 8550 lbs. 

The all-aluminum trailers that are more popular today would weigh in far less than that. 

I have a steel 4 horse gooseneck that weighs less than that, loaded.

Sounds like you're starting with a premise and trying to find "facts" to prove it... 

You trying to get a job with the NY Times?

My original post was incorrect as has been point out.  I do not need to show that the TRAILER itself is over 10,001 loaded, but the combination of truck, trailer and load is over 10,001 pounds. 

I drive a Dodge 3500 quad cab deisel.  The truck (full of fuel) and the driver alone weigh 7700 lbs.  In order to stay under the 10,001 weight (so I don't need a US DOT number) I would only be able to pull a loaded trailer that weighs 2301 lbs.  (Thats including the horses) 

Most 1/2 ton vehicles have a curb weight of 4500 to 5200, 3/4 ton 5300 to 6200, and 1 ton's 5500 to 7000.  Subtract those weights from the 10,001 lbs and you can figure that even if an empty trailer weighs 3000 lbs, that would only leave 2501 for the horses, tack, feed, driver and passengers and anything else in the truck or trailer.  (thats with the lightest truck). 

I'm not trying to get into an argument with anyone here, was just looking for some information.  Thanks

(so I don't need a US DOT number)

Are you hauling commercially?

I have a half-ton - with driver and tank of fuel, it is 5236.

Trailer is 5500. That puts me well over 10,001.

I don't have a DOT sticker and I've never known that it would be required. If it is, then the State of Michigan can balance its budget by ticketing every truck & trailer around that are hauling lawn equipment, boats, horses, loads of hay, etc.

The online manual from the State of Wisconsin is quite helpful.  SO, unless you are hauling commercially, or are over 26,000 pounds, you have no need for DOT sticker for over 10,000. 

 http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/docs/cdl-vol1.pdf

This pops up regularly...go to

http://www.hotshothauling.com/

go to HotShot Hauling How to Info

Then read the various threads...they will answer most of the questions of whether you can be considered to be commercial and if you are...what steps you have to take to protect yourself from Big Brother...

I live in Illinois and went to the State Police station in Joliet and asked questions about the CDL. I was told that the weight  is the GVWR of the trailer and truck combined. As I have RT plates on my trailer I am exempt for the weight. If I didn't have RT plates on my 2002 4-star 5 horse  mid tack 5' dressing room 30' on floor trailer that has two 8,000 axles, the GVWR listed on the sticker is 19,600 lbs. and the gvwr on the truck is 11,000 lbs. for a total of 30,600 which is over the 26,001 listed for CDL, I would have to get a CDL.So it doesn't really mean what the actual weight of your truck and trailer is loaded, it is what the manufacture listed the GVWR. Another question about CDL and keeping records, if you use your truck as a daily driver, do you have to maintain a log daily, even when not pulling the trailer?

Actually they gave you semi-incorrect info...check out your state's own publication on the matter...

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_x14210.pdf

Paul ... and others.. The most likely area a horse trailer will get a person in trouble is the "Non CDL classified license"

IF the trailer is rated above 10,000 pounds.  Many GN trailers 3 horse & more will be rated above 10,000.  It's easy for the police to check.  It's on the vin tag of the trailer. 

But doesn't the recreational use trump all the weight restrictions?

My dad has a motor home that is a converted retired Trailways bus.  He himself is a retired Trailways bus driver who had a CDL for work, driving over the road Trailways buses.  While his motor home/bus was orginally designed to haul more than 16 people, it is licensed as an RV and there are no licensing restrictions to drive it.  I think my dad is pretty familiar with CDL regulations. 

I emailed  TxDot with this quiestion 2yrs ago and they sent me to the Tx State Trooper office who told me that unless I am using my horses for work or competing for money/prizes I do not need a CDL.   If we just use our horses for pleasure riding than I am not commercial.  If you stand to gain anything then you are commercial and need the license.

He said that a CDL is for people who are driving work vehicles.  Anything from an 18 wheeler to the dominos delivery kid.

It is state by state defined...some states enforce the 10,000lb+ trailers (because of all the extra fees they get to collect......and MOST do not...

Hosspuller the individual trailer will not get you into trouble, unless your home state enforces the 10,000 lb+ rule...or you are charging people for hauling their horses, which makes you commercial...IF you travel THRU a state that enforces the 10,000 lb+ rule, you are exempt!!!

§383.91 Commercial motor vehicle groups.

(a) Vehicle group descriptions. Each driver applicant must possess and be tested on his/her knowledge and skills, described in subpart G of this part, for the commercial motor vehicle group(s) for which he/she desires a CDL. The commercial motor vehicle groups are as follows:

(a)(1) Combination vehicle (Group A) — Any combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds).

In the guidance section for the same rule, it states:

Question 3: Can a State which expands the vehicle group descriptions in §383.91 enforce those expansions on out-of-State CMV drivers by requiring them to have a CDL?

Guidance: No. They must recognize out-of-State licenses that have been validly issued in accordance with the Federal standards and operative licensing compacts.