Posted 2006-11-27 9:04 PM (#51977) Subject: Seeing is ????
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Posts: 335 Location: Decatur, Texas
We camped at LBJ Nat'l Grasslands over Thanksgiving. Man & woman next to us were already there when we arrived with 2 young horses. They had an 18' travel trailer w/ a 2 horse bumper pull behind it and pulling with a Toyota p/u. I asked him if he were a little overloaded and underpowered. He said rig handled fine, had a diesel engine that could pull anything. He had read about diesels online. Now for the scariest part- they rode about 6 hrs and brought sweaty horses in and tied to tether posts without food or water. They took off to go to town and were gone for 3 hours. Then returned and gave a bucket of ?? to both horses. One bucket that the horses shared. I had watered the animals while they were absent as their horses kept nickering to ours who were consuming hay, feed and water. I talked to the guy upon his return and he told me to MYOB! He said he fed his horses 2 lb of oats and 2 lb of alfalfa pellets every day and that was enough for them. -----He even made the hunters look smart! Oh, and one of the best things, the Law Enforcement Ranger rode horseback this weekend to check on things. Don't know how many tickets issued to violators, but a bunch as they didn't expect the gun and badge on horseback.
Posted 2006-11-27 10:01 PM (#51984 - in reply to #51977) Subject: RE: Seeing is ????
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Posts: 1871 Location: NY
good for you for taken care of the animal if anybody tells you to mind your o.b. tell them that it is yours what he or she does reflects on ALL horse people thank you for taken a stand
Posted 2006-11-27 11:02 PM (#51985 - in reply to #51977) Subject: RE: Seeing is ????
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Posts: 456 Location: south of Cowtown, TEXAS
We were at a 3 day barrel race in Oklahoma in the middle of summer.
I noticed the horse next to mine had an empy 5 gallon bucket, so I filled it up.
I left her a note stating such in hopes she would check on him more often. She CRAWLED my ass because she didn't know how much he drank that day. Uuuhhhh, duh... it was empty? And you're welcome.
Sure wish she would stand around all day in a hot barn with no water.
Posted 2006-11-28 8:19 AM (#51993 - in reply to #51977) Subject: RE: Seeing is ????
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Posts: 824 Location: Kansas
Had something similar happen about catching a horse. This horse was loose on a country road and the people were running it up and down the road with a pickup truck trying to get it into the pasture. The horse was about to drop and soaking wet, of course it was winter. We stopped because they had the road blocked; I was able to walk right up to the horse and put my belt around its neck. At this point the owner had a screaming fit. He didn't want to catch the horse, he wanted to run it into the ground at that point. Some people should never have animals.
Posted 2006-11-28 9:53 AM (#51996 - in reply to #51977) Subject: RE: Seeing is ????
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Posts: 303 Location: Grapeland, Texas
Boy, stupidity must be running rampant. Went to a ride in La. a couple of weeks ago and there was a horse that was skin and bones. She said it was a rescue horse and they had had it a couple of months. Friday 2 people rode it double. They both had to weigh over 200lbs each. Luckily they didn't ride it the next day. We watered it several times and gave it some hay. The lady said they fed it 15lbs. of feed a day, split it up in 2 feedings. They were feeding it out of an ice cooler top and there was no way it held 7 lbs. of feed. If it was a rescue horse it had no business out on that ride, it needs to be rescued from the rescuers. I guess if you go to enough horse related events you see it all. It's just such a shame.
Posted 2006-11-28 11:20 AM (#51999 - in reply to #51977) Subject: RE: Seeing is ????
Location: Texas
The quickest way to guarantee yourself a butt kicking around a rodeo is to neglect or abuse a horse. Not very civilized, but I have seen it work more than once. I cannot abide anyone mistreating a horse in any way, and simply will not tolerate it, even if it means I might spend the night in jail, and I make no appologies for it.
Posted 2006-11-28 1:09 PM (#52005 - in reply to #51977) Subject: RE: Seeing is ????
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Posts: 479 Location: central sierra nevada foothills
That's why I do mind my own business. People like that are crazy, and well, if they think they've got it made and their so smart, hey, let them go for it and be. I know it's not the poor animals fault, but to each there own I always say. Glad there was patrol on horseback though!
Posted 2006-11-28 1:21 PM (#52006 - in reply to #51977) Subject: RE: Seeing is ????
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Posts: 238 Location: West Coast
Ummm... I just gotta ask, since when do Toyota's have diesel engines? I know there is talk of one coming out, but I don't *think* it will be out for a year or two.
I will sometimes water horses I see at ropings that look like they need it. I have always gotten a very sincere "thank you" from the owners.
Posted 2006-11-29 10:02 AM (#52030 - in reply to #52006) Subject: RE: Seeing is ????
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Posts: 1871 Location: NY
The cure for stuid is 3 0z of lead. I have had my as**** handed to me by helping out horse, I tell them that is this is what you wont the public to see then you are a real son of ***** and you will get all horse people in troblem
Posted 2006-12-05 4:56 PM (#52223 - in reply to #51977) Subject: RE: Seeing is ????
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Posts: 83 Location: Cheshire England
Re Diesel Mini trucks, over here in England you can only get Diesel engines most are 2.5 turbo diesel common rail with 5 speed manual Toyota, mitsubisi,nissan,isuzu and ford/mazda.I think the last time toyota offered a diesel in the US was in about 1984 ?? then a weak 2.4 with about as much power as a cheap lawn mower!! they are better now with great mileage and power
Posted 2006-12-05 5:16 PM (#52224 - in reply to #51977) Subject: RE: Seeing is ????
Location: KY
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I always try to keep some folding money on me (for the purpose of making bail).
As a friend of mine often says "Common sense is not common in America" It is always a shame when people fail to see how they appear to others, or how their behavior affects others.
Be well and as my friend "Dwight" would say "ride on"
Posted 2006-12-05 7:54 PM (#52233 - in reply to #52224) Subject: RE: Seeing is ????
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Location: Mansfield, GA
My line of work as an Equine Inspector for the State of Georgia has shown me many of the abuses (and many much worse, of course) that many of you have mentioned. Please, please stay after these folks, try to educate (not irritate) these less than responsible owners. If you are concerned, check to see if your state (or the state you are visiting) has an Equine Health section in their Department of Agriculture. If not, they should have Animal Protection, at least. My fellow inspectors and I are very busy in our state....and we follow EVERY lead, many of us working 60-70 hours per week. There is help out there...don't be afraid to report ANY animal abuse or neglect. Charges can be brought at the drop of a hat. Thanks to all for being the eyes and ears....if it weren't for so many of you kind folks watching out for these poor horses and reporting them, we might never know of these some of these situations.
Posted 2006-12-05 10:49 PM (#52239 - in reply to #51977) Subject: RE: Seeing is ????
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Location: Burleson, TX
I hate to point this out, but I have been to several auctions lately and it seems to me that abuse of horses gets reported UNTIL the owner shows up at an auction with an animal that is horribly starved, beaten, or injured. Then the owner just waltzes in and puts the animal through the auction and gets whatever the killer pays and leaves with some spending money and nobody bats an eye. I saw terrible conditions of lousy water, unsafe stalls, cruel handlers, wet stalls, you name it and nobody from animal welfare in sight ever. I seems to me that when money is changing hands, all bets are off on prosecuting owner who should be lined up and whipped themselves. Just my 2 cents worth.
Posted 2006-12-06 8:48 AM (#52245 - in reply to #51977) Subject: RE: Seeing is ????
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Posts: 92 Location: iowa
I have seen thismore than once here in central Iowa also, heck one owner told me if he(horse) doesn't drink at creek he must not be thirsty, well give me your beer you have in your hand all day. Not to promote anything but check out, www.safergrass.org and read Jamie Jackson's book on "Paddock paradise". I just got all kinds of good ideas.
Posted 2006-12-07 9:58 AM (#52268 - in reply to #52239) Subject: RE: Seeing is ????
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Location: Mansfield, GA
This note is mainly to Sheree... Each state (and even county) differs in the way that their animal protection laws read and are interpreted. When you see concerns, I encourage you and urge you to contact your local animal control, humane society, Dept of Ag....whoever will listen. I can say for a fact that in our state, we are at every auction doing our best to prevent just what you decribed. Georgia and many other states have VERY tough laws as they relate to the humane treatment of animals. I have seen MANY people tried and convicted in this state. Again, please report any abuses immediately...WE are the voices of the animals. Speed of reporting can sometimes make all the difference. If you attend a sale wherein you see these conditions on a regular basis, yell it from the top of the mountain....even if you need to go to your congressman. Thanks for keeping your eyes open.
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