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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2008-01-12 3:15 PM (#74298)
Subject: cold weather feeding


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The coldest part of winter is about here and your horse may need a little more feed. For every 10 degrees below 32 a horse will require about 2000 more calories just to maintain his body weight, this doesn't include rain and wind. Most grass hays have 600-900 calories/ lb, most alfalfa has about 900-1400 calories/lb, most complete feeds have about 1400-1800 calories/lb. A horse will only eat about 3% of his body weight in dry matter on an average. Don't forget about a barn or blanket and clean water. 
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-01-12 4:15 PM (#74299 - in reply to #74298)
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That's all true,but for those of us that don't have barns and don't keep blankets on our horses all winter long,and even for those who may,the digestion process of hay is what generates the body heat in horses.
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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2008-01-12 4:44 PM (#74300 - in reply to #74298)
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It all about providing enough "calories" for a horse to maintain his weight when it's cold. The barn and the blanket is just added protection wheather you have them or not the horses still needs the extra calories.
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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2008-01-12 5:04 PM (#74301 - in reply to #74298)
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Let's say you bought some hay that looks really good, but in reality it was cut to mature and only provides 600 calories. Your horse weights 1300 lb and it is 20 degrees. a 1300# horse needs 26000 calories just to stay the same body weight plus the added 2000 for the cold. If your horse eats 3% of his body weight in dry matter he is going to eat only 39# of hay (39# x 600 calories per # = 23400 calories ) you will be just 4600 calories short, and your horse will lose weight.

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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-01-12 6:24 PM (#74303 - in reply to #74301)
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Well-mine never have. We feed a little more OFTEN in the winter,but,we never have fed more grain to ours.They each get a big coffee can full and it's plenty.

Maybe because ours don't weigh that much,and it's not nearly as cold here.And like humans,doesn't their activity level figure in? Are they being worked or ridden daily as opposed to just standing around.(like ours do in the wintertime.)

 

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-01-12 8:13 PM (#74307 - in reply to #74298)
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Flaked Barley...as an adjunct, is the trick for wintertime...
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-01-12 8:49 PM (#74310 - in reply to #74307)
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I don't know if I could find that around here.What about beet pulp?
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-01-13 12:03 AM (#74311 - in reply to #74310)
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Originally written by crowleysridgegirl on 2008-01-12 8:49 PM

I don't know if I could find that around here.What about beet pulp?

Flaked barley can be ordered in by any feed store...

Barley grain looks similar to oat grain but is somewhat harder. Therefore, it is generally recommended that barley be crimped or rolled for horses. However, processing does not increase its feeding value for horses with good teeth. The fiber content of barley is higher than that of corn, milo, wheat, rice, and rye. Barley is intermediate between oats and corn in energy, fiber level, safety, and heat produced. It is more similar to corn in its density. Slightly less of its starch is digested in the small intestine as compared to corn. Good quality barley is a desirable cereal grain for horses. It can be fed as the only grain in the diet with no adverse effects. However, it is less palatable than oats or corn and is commonly used in a grain mix, basically you add a cup or two to the regular feed...its major advantage is energy without the heat of oats, so if your horse is not working, the barley will keep weight on, without making him hot...This is from my father and grandfather who initially farmed with horses.

Here's some data on beet pulp...

 http://shady-acres.com/susan/beetpulp.shtml

 

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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2008-01-13 2:44 AM (#74312 - in reply to #74298)
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The trick to feeding a horse is knowing what the nutrient needs are for your type of horse and what nutients are supplied by your feed. A balanced ration will keep you horse healthy for a long time. It helps to monitor a horse's nutritional and health status by weighting the horse and doing a body score every week. If you don't have a scale to weight use a tape and do the math. Have your hay tested, checking the ADF and the NDF, this is a good indication of the maturity of the hay when harvested, immature plants has less fiber( this is why a horse will colic or founder on lust spring pastures) over mature plant will have to much indigestible fiber and your horse will not get enough energy ( it will cause a hay belly in your horse) just some things to keep in mind when feeding your horse. 
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2008-01-13 11:41 AM (#74322 - in reply to #74312)
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So how many people actually test their hay.  I know I have not. I look for a good quality hay and as long as my horses don't seem to loose weight, I'm happy.

I don't grain my horses.  (I will give a mare in her last trimester and while nursing some grain.)

I do occassionally give my horse soaked beet pulp on the coldest days.  Mostly to add the extra water to their diet.

I feed both timothy grass and alfalfa. During the winter I up the ratio of alfalfa. During the summer they get almost straight grass.

So if you test hay, What doyou have it tested for?  Calories, mineral content, fiber. 

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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2008-01-13 12:07 PM (#74326 - in reply to #74298)
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I do test my hay, but not every load only when changing fields. When having a test done I try not to worry about the finer points of equine nutrition, I will leave that to the endurance riders, my main concerns are the Digestible Engery (DE), Crude protien (CP), ADF, and NDF. I feed second cutting straight alfalfa, normally the CP is 12-17%. My understanding that some parts of the country you should have the hay tested for minerals, I don't, but provide a mineral and salt block. I try to feed about 2.5% of the horse body weight. What I do may not work for everyone.

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brushycreekranch
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2008-01-13 3:43 PM (#74332 - in reply to #74298)
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Here in our part of AR, it doesn't get very cold for very long. In fact, I have mares turned out 24/7 with access to a run in shed that have less hair on them than many horses kept blanketed in barns. If it does get to freezing, it usually doesn't stay but a few hours. We can be 32 in the morning and back up in the mid 60's by lunch. Our rule of thumb here is to not increase grain but double up on hay for mid 30's and below. I would rather them have it and not need it then the other way around. We also have year round grazing although it does go dormat in the winter. Nobody here is stalled at night except stud colts and show stock. We have Rambo rugs for extreme weather but have not had any since we moved here. We don't even have any county snowplows that I am aware of. Our part of AR has GREAT winters but hate Aug here.
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-01-13 4:16 PM (#74334 - in reply to #74332)
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Hey,it's the TRUTH.WInters here are really mild for the most part,may be only a night or two that they even need a blanket.But in August???? It's water,water,water,and praying for a rain before your grass dies off and you have to delve into your already stockpiled hay early.And gallons of fly spray,fly masks,ect ect ect.Could go on,but,I'll stop.Because: I was born here,and God willing,I'll die here! (A true Arkie.)
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osue077
Reg. Feb 2007
Posted 2008-01-13 5:54 PM (#74339 - in reply to #74301)
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Originally written by hconley on 2008-01-12 4:04 PM

Let's say you bought some hay that looks really good, but in reality it was cut to mature and only provides 600 calories. Your horse weights 1300 lb and it is 20 degrees. a 1300# horse needs 26000 calories just to stay the same body weight plus the added 2000 for the cold. If your horse eats 3% of his body weight in dry matter he is going to eat only 39# of hay (39# x 600 calories per # = 23400 calories ) you will be just 4600 calories short, and your horse will lose weight.


Great point to be brought up. Usually, when the weather is down below 0*, We change our feedings from 5am/5pm (every 12 hrs) to 5am/11am/5pm/11pm. This includes starting a mild sweet mix during the 3 night feeds. We also keep the water as fresh as possible. Below -20*, we will break out the blankets, but only below -20*. I also have an emergency plan for extreme cold too, which includes a couple portable heaters and a portable wood burning 55gal barrel stove. Also I keep a squirt bottle of vegtable oil in the house to spray on the bottoms of the hooves for walking a sick horse in the snow.
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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2008-01-13 6:07 PM (#74340 - in reply to #74298)
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It is important 4600 calories are ~ equal to a pound of fat. and that is a lot of calories.
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heritagelanefarm
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2008-01-13 6:48 PM (#74343 - in reply to #74298)
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As a horse owner for over 50 years, I have never blanketed a horse in the winter. Our horses have 3 sided shelters in 3 different areas of the fields. They have heated, automatic waters in 2 fields. Dividers in the shelters keep the top dog from keeping the end of the pecking order out. When it is a cold, freezing rain, or extremely windy, they are put in the barn at night. The vet tells me my horses are in "perfect" body condition (his words, not mine). I would quess they are between a 5/6 on the body mass scale. You can not see ribs, but can feel them if you press hard enough. High quality brome/timothy hay mix, and 1 quart of grain per horse once a day (steamed, crimped Canadian oats mixed with 12% sweet feed does the trick. No, I have never had the hay tested. I use my nose, hands and experience to determine quality. However, this works for me and our quarter horses. Other breeds, I am sure, have other needs. I appreciate the reminder that extreme temps do require more feed!

Just my 2 cents!

Brenda



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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-01-13 9:53 PM (#74353 - in reply to #74298)
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Quality of hay isn't the only issue.Quality of FEED is just as important.

We've always fed hybrid grass hay and Nutrena Prime 12% feed.We feed once a day in the winter and our horses are strictly forage in the summer,grain rarely unless we are feeding a yearling then we will feed daily for 2 years.My horses have never lost weight,quiet the contrary.If I fed mine any different in the wintertime,I wouldn't be able to get a saddle on them in spring.I have a couple that are already pushing it from inactivity in the wintertime as it is.So what is workable and required for someone who has working or performance horses in a different part of the country won't work for us here,and vice versa.

Purina has a very good website with information based on their leadership in the equine nutrition business even if horse enthusiasts feed and prefer a different brand .Their website is http://www.purinamills.com/



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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-01-14 2:18 AM (#74358 - in reply to #74343)
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Originally written by heritagelanefarm on 2008-01-13 6:48 PM

As a horse owner for over 50 years, I have never blanketed a horse in the winter. Our horses have 3 sided shelters in 3 different areas of the fields. They have heated, automatic waters in 2 fields. Dividers in the shelters keep the top dog from keeping the end of the pecking order out. When it is a cold, freezing rain, or extremely windy, they are put in the barn at night. The vet tells me my horses are in "perfect" body condition (his words, not mine). I would quess they are between a 5/6 on the body mass scale. You can not see ribs, but can feel them if you press hard enough. High quality brome/timothy hay mix, and 1 quart of grain per horse once a day (steamed, crimped Canadian oats mixed with 12% sweet feed does the trick. No, I have never had the hay tested. I use my nose, hands and experience to determine quality. However, this works for me and our quarter horses. Other breeds, I am sure, have other needs. I appreciate the reminder that extreme temps do require more feed!

Just my 2 cents!

Brenda

If you were in Vermont you'd blanket them, especially when we go thru our deep freeze cycle that occurs every winter...2 weeks + or - a day where we never are above 0...

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hconley
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Posted 2008-01-14 6:22 AM (#74360 - in reply to #74298)
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One thing I forgot to metion is I buy my hay in round bales that weight 1700-1900lbs, it is stored a under a roof, then I fork it to the horses. My feed cost are just under $11/day for 6 horses.
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heritagelanefarm
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2008-01-14 6:35 AM (#74361 - in reply to #74358)
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Paul,

We have ranch friends in Wyoming. Their large herd of horses do not have blankets, nor do they have man made shelter. Wyoming winters can be brutal, as with other Western states. Blanketing and shelter depends on the horse, it's owner, and natural shelter, not necessarily the state you live in, or weather conditions. I have personally walked through a friend's herd of well bred cutters in Alberta Providence, Canada, above Calgary, in August. It was sleeting. The horses did not have man made shelter. When I commented that one of the horses was shivering, I was told the horse would have to "get tough." I can only quess the weather in winter!

Take Care,

Brenda

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2008-01-14 7:18 PM (#74412 - in reply to #74361)
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Temps like this?
 
Wednesday Night, Jan 16
Low: -9 °F RealFeel®: -20 °F
Mostly cloudy and bitterly cold

 

 

 

Pretty much keep hay in front of them at all times.

I buy my hay in 3x4x8 bales. that weigh 1000lbs each.  I used to spend two evenings stacking  400 small bales in the shed.  Lots of sweat and sore muscles.  Now I unload the trailer with my skid loader and hay forks in about 30 minutes. It's a  little harder to feed a flake off the big bales than small bales.

 

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Monsterhorse
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2008-01-26 2:16 PM (#75328 - in reply to #74298)
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I wish I could just put a big roll of hay out in the pasture for my horses, but everytime I do they get impacted. Anybody else have this problem?
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hconley
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Posted 2008-01-27 7:50 AM (#75364 - in reply to #75328)
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Originally written by Monsterhorse on 2008-01-26 2:16 PM

I wish I could just put a big roll of hay out in the pasture for my horses, but everytime I do they get impacted. Anybody else have this problem?

What kind of impaction are you talking about? There is a few reasons for feed impactions including low quality hay, dehydration, and teeth, colic. If you really want to feed big round bales your best option would be to consult with a nutritionist or a vet. 

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Monsterhorse
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Posted 2008-01-28 7:55 PM (#75480 - in reply to #74298)
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Hay impaction. It is probably due to dehydration, I can never get my mare to drink, she drinks very little even during the hot summer months, In the winter even less. I have to soak beet pulp for her to get some water in her system. But how in the world do I make her drink more water in order to not impact on hay?
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-01-28 9:57 PM (#75499 - in reply to #75480)
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Since you are in Florida,I'm sure your water is not too cold for your horse.

I add mineral salts (loose) to my horse's feed in wintertime.Also in a pinch,I have added molasses or KoolAid to a bucket of water such as on a camp trip to entice my horse to drink strange water.You might try this.

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