Posted 2006-05-21 9:15 PM (#42064 - in reply to #42052) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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I've heard of several having good luck with an Edge chip. I have been reluctant to put one in my 6.0 Powerstroke. So far, I have plenty of power. I have heard some horror tales from those that have had too much added that it caused problems with their transmission.
Posted 2006-05-22 7:37 AM (#42073 - in reply to #42052) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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With fuel at current prices, or even where it was 2 years ago, I don't see the point in sucking it through the engine in even greater quantities.
I don't think more power is needed when towing, i.e. horses don't appreciate accelleration, when not towing you can probably break traction on a good surface anyway.
On the Ford 6.0 Diesel (and SOME of the 7.3s) it seems the transmission is marginal at stock power levels.
Posted 2006-05-22 8:17 AM (#42076 - in reply to #42073) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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The last "chip" I put on a Dodge was a 60hp gain...It increased milage 10%...if you don't play racer the power turns into economy....But by the time you put on a pyrometer, boost and tranmission temp guages to monitor your equipment it gets kinda spendy!...But some chips do increase milage and power with proper use.
Posted 2006-05-24 7:49 AM (#42195 - in reply to #42052) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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My husband and I have two F-350's... one 7.3 with an 80HP chip (great) and a brand new within three months..6.0 we just put a chip in two weeks ago.. WOWEE!!!!! it is like driving a misile!!!(we pull a 33'on the box LQ with NO problem) I was really concerned that we would need a baby semi, but the trailer only outweighed our previous (20' box) by about 4,500 lbs...
Posted 2006-05-25 12:14 PM (#42252 - in reply to #42052) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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I can point you to several folks who swear by the Edge products.
The service people I trust say "No Chips" But if you must increase your horsepower to use a Tunner.
SuperChip and others have after market tuners. (About $400) that allow you to adjust various parameters. I've been told by multiple sources that this is a safer way to go than most of the chips available. Check the post on websites like http://www.thedieselstop.com/, http://www.thedieselpage.com/ and http://www.ford-truck.com/ about tuners.
When I chipped my previous truck I saw an increase in exhaust temps. I am very skeptical of chipping any engine with out adding a Pyro gauge to monitor exhaust temps.
Posted 2006-05-25 2:48 PM (#42262 - in reply to #42052) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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If under the 100,000 mile warranty I'd think twice about using one.The down loader if removed leaves a "foot print" in the factory ECM.A seperate box does not or is not as easily dedected.The Ford 6.0 has lots of issues and even more so with power turned up.Ford looks for enhancements on every turbo,injector,head gasket issue and will void warranty.The other manufactures do also but not with the vigor Ford does.Read the diesel site forums.Lots of info out there.
Posted 2006-05-25 6:52 PM (#42269 - in reply to #42052) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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There is no magic to this.
More power out requires more energy in, i.e. fuel must be burned at a higher rate. The illusion that the truck becomes more economic is due to the fact that most of these devices add fuel AFTER the truck's instrumentation has measured it.
I don't think I've EVER needed all the power of the L7 Duramax, so I don't see the point of burning fuel at an even higher rate.
Posted 2006-05-25 6:53 PM (#42270 - in reply to #42269) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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Originally written by Reg on 2006-05-25 7:52 PM
There is no magic to this. More power out requires more energy in, i.e. fuel must be burned at a higher rate. The illusion that the truck becomes more economic is due to the fact that most of these devices add fuel AFTER the truck's instrumentation has measured it. I don't think I've EVER needed all the power of the L7 Duramax, so I don't see the point of burning fuel at an even higher rate. I paid $2.909 last week - bad enough )-:
Posted 2006-05-25 8:22 PM (#42273 - in reply to #42052) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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Lots of turners on the lower settings do enhance fuel mileage by a 1 to 3 mpg gain.BUT the pitfall is most folkes keep their FOOTS on the go pedal more.They also stress other areas of the truck if not used in a mature manor.Even then areas are affected by their use.More so on these late model electronic controled units.
Posted 2006-05-26 7:31 AM (#42281 - in reply to #42273) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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On my 99 f350 had one of the 75hp tunners and it was great improved power and milage. Now have a 05 F350 and will not put any more in it. It has plenty of power and when you chip the 6.0 I worry because it doesn't have near the head bolts as the 7.3 and you put too much in and you start blowing head gaskets and heads and the 6.0 gets poorer fuel mileage but has more power. Just my 2 cents
Posted 2006-05-29 6:07 PM (#42361 - in reply to #42052) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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Originally written by walkin on 2006-05-21 5:35 PM
Other than getting rid of the truck, which is the best chip for increased hp etc?
I think Dodge makes a 5.9L chip to take care of the 6.0 problem. Kidding!!
Seriously, though. I've been driving a '91 F-350 diesel for 3+ years, pulling 10,000+ pounds of horse trailer. I don't understand how that 6.0 could POSSIBLY be hurting pulling your trailer unless it is really heavy. There are chips... but there are BAD THINGS THAT HAPPEN when ANY engine is chipped. I've heard horror stories with the Edge products, but I've also heard that while they're tearing things up they give you awesome performance increases.
You'll have to answer the question as to the TRUE cost of adding more power. A performance automatic transmission rebuild to handle the torque/power is $4000 or more when your factory unit goes tango uniform. And that's just a starting point.
Are you sure stock power/torque aren't adequate? There's folks (like me) who'd love to have the power and torque of a STOCK 6.0. My advice would be to keep your truck stock. The loss of your 100,000 mile warranty, and extra costs associated with the chip, could mean substantial money out of your pocket if something goes wrong. Last I checked, the Big 3 will do ANYTHING they can to deny warranty on a truck that has been modified in any way from stock programming.
(I'm saying that having just ordered a 2006 Ram 3500/Cummins diesel...)
Posted 2006-05-29 6:21 PM (#42363 - in reply to #42273) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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Originally written by hounddog on 2006-05-25 9:22 PM
Lots of turners on the lower settings do enhance fuel mileage by a 1 to 3 mpg gain.BUT the pitfall is most folkes keep their FOOTS on the go pedal more.They also stress other areas of the truck if not used in a mature manor.Even then areas are affected by their use.More so on these late model electronic controled units.
I've seen those claims too, I don't believe them to be true.
To get better fuel economy you would have to (Duhh) inject less fuel.
These things cause the ADDITION of fuel by messing with the injection duration and timing, I don't think there is a way to reduce below the factory set minimums.
Light(er) foot, anticipating farther ahead, timing approaches to lights, leaving more distance to the vehicle in front, etc are more reliable ways of saving fuel - and horse stress.
Posted 2006-05-29 8:17 PM (#42364 - in reply to #42052) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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They do and will get better fuel mileage with a performance box(chip). The truck makes more horse power at same rpms.Less fuel needed to move weight at a given speed.I have and use a Quad 30/60/100 h.p. box on my 03 3500 Dodge.On the 60 h.p. setting it pulls my horses and trailer with a LOT less fuel feed and with less effort.The Ford 6.0 does NOT make the low end power the Cummin engine does.You see very FEW 6 speed manual trans Ford 6.0s for this reason.The 6.0 makes h.p. at a much higher rpm.The Dura Max is better in the low end but still not what the Cummin makes.If UNDER a 100,000 mile engine warranty I'd think twice about using a box.Mine been off since before last Christmas.The 100 h.p. setting is a BLAST.Nothing like scaring a V8 Mustang! Its like WOW when you step into it.
Posted 2006-05-29 9:15 PM (#42371 - in reply to #42364) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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Originally written by hounddog on 2006-05-29 6:17 PM
They do and will get better fuel mileage with a performance box(chip). The truck makes more horse power at same rpms.Less fuel needed to move weight at a given speed.I have and use a Quad 30/60/100 h.p. box on my 03 3500 Dodge.On the 60 h.p. setting it pulls my horses and trailer with a LOT less fuel feed and with less effort.The Ford 6.0 does NOT make the low end power the Cummin engine does.You see very FEW 6 speed manual trans Ford 6.0s for this reason.The 6.0 makes h.p. at a much higher rpm.The Dura Max is better in the low end but still not what the Cummin makes.If UNDER a 100,000 mile engine warranty I'd think twice about using a box.Mine been off since before last Christmas.The 100 h.p. setting is a BLAST.Nothing like scaring a V8 Mustang! Its like WOW when you step into it.
I was going to stay out of this! But yep I had one of them thar chips! A DrPerformance 65hp on a "03" CTD.... It made a real truck out of it! I figure it increased the MPG around 10% and 65HP is a bunch of xtra ponies. Yes it would probably figure less MPG's and tires if I drove around useing the xtra 65hp all the time, But if you don't need it you don't have to use it! I didn't except when I was pulling a grade and then I just didn't work it hard! I now have an "06" has about the same power as the "03 with chip" But not as good MPG......They are making chips for Towing and MPG now...it seems that is what the market is after... The kids or "bombers" as they are called can and do get a bunch of power out of the CTD but reliabilty goes south at the same time. Would I put a "chip" in my "06".......yep! After some more research. It is funny how Power can=economy if you don't abuse the Power part!
Posted 2006-05-30 4:47 AM (#42385 - in reply to #42052) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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Its not just KIDS using them.In fact I bet very few KIDS in the diesel truck end.The diesel forums I read with modded trucks I bet the age range is 40 plus.
Posted 2006-05-30 7:32 AM (#42388 - in reply to #42252) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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Originally written by Painted Horse on 2006-05-25 12:14 PM
I can point you to several folks who swear by the Edge products.
The service people I trust say "No Chips" But if you must increase your horsepower to use a Tunner.
SuperChip and others have after market tuners. (About $400) that allow you to adjust various parameters. I've been told by multiple sources that this is a safer way to go than most of the chips available. Check the post on websites like http://www.thedieselstop.com/, http://www.thedieselpage.com/ and http://www.ford-truck.com/ about tuners.
When I chipped my previous truck I saw an increase in exhaust temps. I am very skeptical of chipping any engine with out adding a Pyro gauge to monitor exhaust temps.
Ditto on the Quadzilla chip - i have this in my 2003 F-350 and it has helped in towing and mileage. It is great!
Posted 2006-05-30 2:27 PM (#42406 - in reply to #42052) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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I think the best thing is to kep my truck for the remainder of the season and then next yr, get another. Its my fault for not getting a 4.10 and a manual tramsmission. I know better. I have never had a towing problem with my 97 7.3. Might have to put it back in service?
Posted 2006-05-31 10:23 PM (#42477 - in reply to #42052) Subject: RE: Chip for 6.0
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Jody Tipton (dp-tuner.com) and Tony Wildman (totaldieselperformance.com) have excellent reputations over at thedieselstop.com & ford-trucks.com for PSD programming that improves mileage while keeping EGTs lower than most power adders.
Some other areas need to be addressed before adding a chip or programmer.The intake needs to be changed to allow more air into the engine (NOT a K&N filtercharger),a less restrictive exhaust to let it out,a pyrometer to monitor exhaust gas temps and a tranny temp gauge for an automatic.A boost gauge wouldn't be a bad idea either.
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