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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-03-23 7:21 PM (#80220)
Subject: What to do about a filly with a defect.


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I spent several thousands of dollars on a stud fee,vet etc.to breed a own son of Mr San Peppy to a mare we own with Wimpy 1 on her papers.Wimpy Chico x Dark Dotty.Anyhow stud was heavy line bred.Mare is not.Spent over $1500 on trying frozen semen.Finally got her in foal on the first patch of cooled semen.Had a good looking black filly born.She has a bad case of parrot mouth.What would YOU do with this filly?
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IcePonyGoddess
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2008-03-23 7:34 PM (#80221 - in reply to #80220)
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What does your vet recommend? Have you contacted the university teaching clinic? Is she eating & drinking? Holding her wgt? I am sorry that her filly is having to deal with this. Reiki sent to your sweet filly. {{{{HUGS }}}
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huntseat
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Posted 2008-03-23 8:49 PM (#80227 - in reply to #80220)
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Hounddog, you should read your breeding contract and contact the stud manager.

I know this sounds horrible but telling them you'll be spreading the word that their stud throws unregister-able foals may help them to see things your way.  I'd point out that AQHA won't register your foal and you absolutely ONLY wanted a register-able foal.

Line breeding isn't good for the breed...

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-03-23 10:01 PM (#80236 - in reply to #80220)
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Oh she eats,pulls grass if it has any height to it.Eats grain etc.with no issues.Vet agreeded with us.Said yep a good example of Parrot mouth.Stallion owner offered no assistance as it is a live foal.Owner had his head in the sand in denial.In fact stallion has passed since my conversaion with him. Filly is good looking and smart.I need to move her to another owner etc.Thats what I need advise on.What to do with her and how?
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2008-03-24 12:14 PM (#80257 - in reply to #80236)
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I'd place her in an auction and make no guarantees.  You'll need to read the rules of the auction and make sure you aren't liable for suitability/soundness/health/etc. and just pass her down the road.

Could she be registered with any NFQHA, etc?  You might still be able to slip her past the AQHA since they don't inspect horses unless you take them out to a show, etc. but you really need to get her off your hands ASAP!

I have seen horses that got surgery on their mouths but it does not sound like she's worth that much.

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-03-24 12:45 PM (#80260 - in reply to #80220)
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Oh,the filly IS registered AQHA.The paperwork went in before the defect was noticed.After all,she could still be a performance horse.One option wife & I discussed (and cussed) was the possibility of selling without papers(cheaper) and if they spay her(would require vet cert.), then give then the papers.She's smart and really pretty,also quite athletic.Our vet says with regular dental care once her adult teeth come in there's no reason she shouldn't continue to get along just fine.
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gemm
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2008-03-24 2:53 PM (#80265 - in reply to #80220)
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 I like the idea of making sure she isn't bred and carrying this defect any further. Spaying is pretty expensive though, so her price should reflect that, as well as any on-going dental work she'll need throughout her life. That said, I owned a pretty black AQHA mare from when she was 3 until she died at 27 who had an underbite. I never had her spayed, but I never bred her either, being conscientious about carrying the dental trait on. She was able to nurse when she was a babe, and kept eating well her whole life. She was  a really nice trail horse. She had a pasture injury and couldn't get up, so we had to have her euthanized in the end. I think her underbite would have caused more problems later in her life when her teeth got more "pointy"(<<insert better word here).
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cutter99
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2008-03-24 3:15 PM (#80268 - in reply to #80220)
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I like the idea of the papers only being passed on if the filly is spayed. If she is correct otherwise and has the potential to perform, why not??? Not every mare needs to be bred. Spaying can be expensive, but if someone likes her enough they will think she is worth it.

How old is she now? I have seen some cases of parrot mouth that the horses seem to "grow into" the mouth and it does not hamper their ability to eat. 

The other possiblity is to donate her to a university. You can usually take a tax deduction for the amount the horse is valued for by an independent appraiser and the university can usually find a use for the horse.  

Do you have any pictures of her?

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-03-24 3:44 PM (#80271 - in reply to #80220)
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She's a yearling now.I was down with Leukemia when she was foaled.Wife had her hands full.Anyhow went to halter break her 6 weeks or so of age and noticed the mouth.Stallion owner tried to say she'd out grow it but this is pretty bad to outgrow.Vet said bunk.Sire and dam are listed on All Breed Data.The donation thing I like.Selling her bothers me.Yes I have some photos of her.
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stablemom
Reg. Jun 2007
Posted 2008-03-24 4:07 PM (#80274 - in reply to #80220)
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Would like to see some pics of her if possible. How are you doing Hounddog?? (healthwise) I hope you are feeling good!! God bless you!
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walkin
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2008-03-24 6:12 PM (#80283 - in reply to #80220)
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I did'nt think AQH had a clause against registering parrot mouth??  I know of some halter geldings that are horribly parrot mouthed.
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hounddog
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Posted 2008-03-24 6:42 PM (#80284 - in reply to #80220)
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I feel ok.Not great but ok.I am in remission.Still not over affects of chemo.That is over also and just taking time to recover from the drug.I have photos.How do I post them or? Filly is regestered. Not much into bad mouthing stallion owner any more then this in itself does.Just irreritaded that it even occured.Of course I'd like to do whats the most returned on my exspence if any at all.But still gotta do whats right for whomever and the filly also.Any and all suggestions are welcome.

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Yvette
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2008-03-24 9:38 PM (#80306 - in reply to #80284)
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If she's eating fine and the vet sees no issues for riding. I'd train her to ride when she's old enough and have fun. The only thing I wouldn't do is breed her.
We have a parrot mouth at the barn I board and he's one of the best horses there. So it' going to be a matter of what you want to do, more than what she can do.
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-03-24 10:02 PM (#80308 - in reply to #80220)
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Some one else needs to keep her,love her,ride her etc..We have 25 head or so and she's not the only one that needs to go to new digs.

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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2008-03-24 10:34 PM (#80309 - in reply to #80220)
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Houndog....Glad to hear that you are in remission.  You might want to contact Auburn vet school or Miss St vet school (Morgan Freeman Equine research) or Middle TN State U about the possibility of donating her.....maybe even a school that has a rodeo program such as UT at Martin.....just some thoughts.  Take care and hope you continue to gain strength and feel better.
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PaulChristenson
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Posted 2008-03-25 2:13 AM (#80327 - in reply to #80308)
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Originally written by hounddog on 2008-03-24 11:02 PM

Some one else needs to keep her,love her,ride her etc..We have 25 head or so and she's not the only one that needs to go to new digs.

I take it you have done of the research...

http://www.thehorse.com/Search.aspx?r=A&tbKeyword=parrot%20mouth&v=all

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hounddog
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Posted 2008-03-25 4:54 AM (#80330 - in reply to #80220)
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She was a much discussed and popular topic between research,investigation etc.for a while and kinda let it go.But its back to the top of the list of things to do,handle.
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brushycreekranch
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2008-03-25 7:55 AM (#80336 - in reply to #80220)
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I was just at MTSU  last week. While there I was chit chatting as usual.  We have donated show horses to them in the past. They are not taking any horse donations except for show horses with huge show records and even then are picking and choosing.

You may want to see if you can get her spayed at a teaching hospital for a reduced fee.

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hounddog
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Posted 2008-03-25 8:20 AM (#80339 - in reply to #80220)
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I do not care or intend to put any more dollars into her above normal upkemp at this time.Wife said we got about $3k in her as it is.We have a lot of ultrasounds and lots of frozen semen in her(which did not work) lost two years on a 20 y.o. mare with some hard to duplicate blood lines.Need to know the advantages/disadvantages (finance wise) of giving her away for a 4h project or ???? Tried to download a photo.Says file too big.
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cutter99
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Posted 2008-03-25 7:25 PM (#80367 - in reply to #80220)
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Hounddog,

I see you are located in Georgia. The University of Georgia has a vet school as well as an agriculture/ equine science program. I would contact them to see about a donation.

I live in Pennsylvania. Penn State does have a quarter horse herd, but it is a breeding program. Texas A & M also has a quarter horse program that is not just limited to breeding. If you are interested I have contacts there I can provide you with.

 

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N2ridin
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Posted 2008-03-25 10:32 PM (#80370 - in reply to #80220)
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Shoot Houndog, just find her a good home and write her off as a donation or loss.  I've got a parrot mouthed AQPA (Quarter Pony), he eats anything, takes and holds a bit great, and is a joy to ride.  Give her to someone who will give you their word that she won't be bred.  They'd have to be a lunatic anyway to breed a parrot mouth'd horse.  Unfortunately, sometimes some funky gene just seems to pop up and screw things up on what should have been a superior bred horse.

Nancy

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Yvette
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Posted 2008-03-29 12:59 PM (#80592 - in reply to #80308)
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Originally written by hounddog on 2008-03-24 10:02 PM

Some one else needs to keep her,love her,ride her etc..We have 25 head or so and she's not the only one that needs to go to new digs.

 

It's up to you really.

Options are:

Take on the responsibility that no one else breeds her based on papers vs confirmation. Don't worry if you don't take that option, there aren't many or as far as I know any breeders that take that responsibility onto themselves. From talk on another board a woman had a mare that had cyst issues with her ovaries spayed for around $1,200. It was a stand-up operation with about a month recovery. However if it's money you don't have, it's money you don't have.

I don't know how old she is, but I'm assuming she's a yearling or younger. So all you can do at this point is make sure she is an easy to handle filly, picking up feet, leading, grooming and such. Which will help you find a home for her that is more interested in what she may grow up to do under saddle and not breeding wise.

Keep her until she's old enough to train and make her a safe riding horse. Where even parrot mouthed, she may find a good trail riding or 4H kind of home at the least. 

Or dump her at an auction where she may get lucky and find a good home or will be on a one way trip to Mexico or Canada and slaughter house, and cut your losses.

It's really in your ball park now, but I'll tell you, especially on the current market you aren't going to get $3,000 or more for an untrained filly with an obvious defect, which to a wise person would keep her out of the breeding shed.

As for me, I'm glad I have geldings and can't be tempted to breed any of them, though I'd love to clone my old horse, but that's cost prohibitive and though the body might be the same, it wouldn't be the same horse.

From watching other people, unless you have a championship horse that you are breeding to a championship horse, you are more likely to lose money than make money. And when I say Championship Horse, I mean proven with the horses own show record, not just on paper from it's family tree. Champions on paper are a dime a dozen. Ya ought to see my Zen's pedigree, but he's a better gelding then he would have ever been a stud.

Good luck finding a home for this misfit filly and any of the others you will be selling this year. It's a hard market for anything worth less than 5 digit and up horses.

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Lynn0202
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Posted 2008-03-30 1:04 PM (#80699 - in reply to #80220)
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Hounddog - Are you looking to sell the filly?
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hounddog
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Posted 2008-03-30 1:28 PM (#80700 - in reply to #80220)
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Looking/thinking at several avenues.But yes I would sell her.I wanted her as a brood mare down the road but thats shot.Her sire died after she was foaled.Her dam is 20.A uncle of mine(deceased) owned her(the dam's) sire whom he bought from King Ranch in 1964. anyway I've got some grown mares by her but wanted some King Ranch blood out of her.Anyway the filly is really good looking and smart.She leads,clips,ties can handle feet etc.True black with a star.Look up Panda Dotts on all breed pedigree and Peppys Forty.

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