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dgeesaman
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2007-08-07 11:44 AM (#65320)
Subject: Going bigger


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Hello everyone.  I'm looking at a towing rig larger than our current 95 F-150 / 2 horse slant, and I have several basic but important questions.  As is sometimes the case, my googling efforts have found everything *but* the answers I'm looking for. 

My wife would like to move up to a living quarters trailer, probably a 3h slant load and quarters on small side.  Maybe even 2h. 

1) What do these bad boys weigh, practically speaking, with cargo what's a reasonable number?

For the truck, I'm actually considering using it as a daily driver since we're also planning to move and shorten my commute.  I can tolerate that if it gets above 15mpg and isn't dually width.  So I did some digging and have my eye on a single rear wheel 3/4 or 1 ton 4x4 with diesel and automatic.

2) Does driving a diesel less than 10mi each way on a daily basis cause problems?  If so, what maintenance might solve that issue?

3) Is this enough truck to pull a living qtrs like I described?  We're in the east, so I don't anticipate big mountain passes, but it's not Kansas either.  Is the wheelbase on a crewcab shortbed enough?  I'd like 3.73 final for the daily driving but will it tow like a pig?  Does this kind of rig get unstable without a dually rear?

4) Is there any practical difference between a Ford F-350 SRW and F-250?

Thanks for any responses.

Dave



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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-08-07 12:39 PM (#65323 - in reply to #65320)
Subject: RE: Going bigger


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4) Is there any practical difference between a Ford F-350 SRW and F-250?

Simple .. NO ... unless you count a few hundred pounds of name plate a practical difference

 

 

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mingiz
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2007-08-07 12:53 PM (#65326 - in reply to #65320)
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I have a 06 F250SD EXT cab SB with 6.0. I tow a exiss 2 h slant with LQ no problems I did though have to get a hitch extender for the trailer which wasn't too much and works great. I drive 12 miles each way each day and I have had no problems with the truck.
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Rich M.
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2007-08-07 4:02 PM (#65341 - in reply to #65320)
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I tow with a regular cab F350 SRW. Difference is likely only in the springs from a 250. My DoubleD 2 horse straight load mid tack 6' LQ weighs about 6000# dry. This trailer is 18.5' on the floor. I have no problems towing, it's stable and comes in under GCWR and GVWR. Unloaded my 7.3 diesel gets about 20 mpg and low teens towing.Other than keeping it plugged in in the winter ( you'll freeze before you get to work with a short commute) you should be fine. Ps, shameless plug my trailer is for sale, advertised on this site.Rich
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2007-08-07 6:07 PM (#65351 - in reply to #65320)
Subject: RE: Going bigger


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My trailer is a 3 H with small LQ and midtack.I have a Ford 250.I should think you would have enough truck for the trailer your thinking about.  I also get low teens when pulling and not much better on the road. I don't know of any problems with short runs on a diesel but you could probably ask on a diesel forum.
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Maximizer
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2007-08-07 7:27 PM (#65362 - in reply to #65320)
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I have a 06 Chevy Duramax and pull a 4 horse with a 4 foot shortwall with the lq's finished..  Its a 2500HD crew cab..  I don't have any problems.. It has a 3.73 rear-end and it doesn't tow like a dog..  It will get up and run..  Plus I am getting 20 mpg not pulling and I can get 15 - 16 mpg pulling the trailer if I keep it around 60 mph..   60 may seem slow but with the price of fuel i'm going to go slower..  Good Luck!!!  
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2007-08-08 6:25 AM (#65382 - in reply to #65320)
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I pull a 4 Horse with a 8' LQ with a 2006 F350 SRW. The trailer has a 26 foot box.

The trailer loaded with 4 horses and gear weighs 16,000lbs and maxes out my GCVW. Any heavier and I need to buy a Dually.

Depending on the trailer you buy, Aluminum vs Steel, How much the LQ conversion weighs, I'd expect your 3 horse LQ to weigh 12,000 to 14,000 loaded.

Truck pulls trailer great. I did add an exhaust brake to healp slow it on the mountain roads I drive here in UT.

My previous 3H weekender trailer weighed in at 12,000 - 13,000 lbs had a 24 foot box. Same truck pulled it fine.

The main difference between a F250 and F350 is the nameplate and "D" rated vs "E" rated tires.

I am a building contractor, I run from project to project to lumber yard to plumbing store etc. I do nothing but short stop and go driving. I am on my 3rd F350 with a Powerstroke engine. I put around 90,000 miles on each truck then sell them. I've had no problems with short trips. I get around 14 mpg daily chasing and can get around 18-19 mpg if I get on the hiway and for a longer trip. I've run both the normal diesel fuel and a lot of B-50 bio diesel in the summer months.  Also consider UPS and other delivery services. They run diesel engines and do nothing for short drives. Start stop all day long.

The Ford SRW pickups ONLY come in a 3.73 rear end with the diesel engine.  No choice here.

 

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Dwight
Reg. Jan 2006
Posted 2007-08-08 7:46 AM (#65384 - in reply to #65320)
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We have a 1997 F-250 Powerstroke diesel, 4WD, crew cab that now has nearly 200,000 miles on it.  It has single rear wheels.  We pull a steel 3H GN with a mini LQ (3' SW).  We recently took a trip to the mountains of eastern KY and it pulled like a dream.  As a matter of fact, we had to wait on our friends at the top of each hill.  They were pulling a similar trailer with a newer GMC one ton gas.

Yeah, our truck is 10 years old and it has a lot of miles.  But it's PAID FOR and it still runs like a scalded dog.  We do a lot of hauling with it and I also drive it to work about three days a week.

I think the key to the longevity of any vehicle is proper and regular maintanence.  We regularly change the oil, fuel filter and air filter and don't run the fuel tanks all the way to empty.  Other than when our son dropped it off into a ditch and broke a tie rod, we've had no major repairs.

RIDE ON!

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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-08-08 7:54 AM (#65386 - in reply to #65382)
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It's really impossible to say how much a 3H LQ would weigh without taking the trailer brand and the LQ brand and size into consideration. My 3H, mid tack, LQ wieghs about 16,000 loaded up with 2 horses and everything else. I've had someone else pull it with a 350 dually amd it sank to the axles and literally shook foing up my hilly driveway. It pulls fine with my 4500 because it is geared down and has the weight and brake size to carry and stop it. But I don't think I would ever tow a larger LQ without a dually, for safety that is.
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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2007-08-08 9:29 AM (#65395 - in reply to #65320)
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Have a Merhow 3 horse alum over steel 8 foot short wall lq with slide out, usually only have 2 horses in it;  third stall used for storage of all my junk that I can't live without;  pull it easily with a Dodge 2500 4x4 diesel regular cab long bed.
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Rich M.
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2007-08-08 10:42 AM (#65404 - in reply to #65320)
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Same as Rose, just got 3 horse Merhow, 8' LQ w/slide. Shipped weight was 5749' (before LQ added) I forget someone had a rough # for added weight per foot of LQ. 22' but the added length over my straight load is behind the axles. " Feels" about the same as the straight load towing. Mine is an Equilite, steel frame,aluminum skin &roof ( no longer made, basically an optioned up Equistar). Hav2 you must have a pretty long long wall ?.Rich
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laxpatrick
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2007-08-08 10:45 AM (#65406 - in reply to #65320)
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As noted above, if you get a short box pickup, you'll likely need either a tapered nose trailer or the hitch extender.

I drive a Dodge diesel and get 20 or so unloaded, 12-15 towing our 4H LQ trailer.  I'm right at the max for my truck based upon the trailer's gross weight tag (50 lbs. to spare, actually).

To do it over, I'd have gone for the long box - if you're not sure about whether or not to go long, take one out for a drive, do some Wal-Mart type parking lots and park each one.

LAXPatrick

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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-08-08 11:18 AM (#65413 - in reply to #65404)
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Originally written by Rich M. on 2007-08-08 2:42 PM

Same as Rose, just got 3 horse Merhow, 8' LQ w/slide. Shipped weight was 5749' (before LQ added) I forget someone had a rough # for added weight per foot of LQ. 22' but the added length over my straight load is behind the axles. " Feels" about the same as the straight load towing. Mine is an Equilite, steel frame,aluminum skin &roof ( no longer made, basically an optioned up Equistar). Hav2 you must have a pretty long long wall ?.Rich

 

It's 300lbs per foot of LQ. So if you have a 8 ft. LQ then it is 300x8=2400 lbs for just the living quarter addition. 
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rockyrider
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2007-08-08 11:31 AM (#65414 - in reply to #65323)
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4) Is there any practical difference between a Ford F-350 SRW and F-250?

Here are the numbers. Main diff is payload.

WEIGHTS (pounds)

GVWR's available

10,000-11,500(F-350 SRW), -13,000 (F-350 DRW) 16,000 (F-450), 17,950, 19,000 (F-550)

Max. GCWR's available

23,000 (F350 SRW), 23500 (F-350 DRW), 30,000 (F-450), 33,000 (F-550)

Max towing capacity, properly equipped

15700 (F-350 SRW), 16,000 (F-350 DRW), 21600 (F-450), 24,600 (F-550)

 

All Dimensions are in inches unless otherwise noted.

BASE CURB WEIGHT

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F250/350/450 Super Duty Pickup Weight and Towing

       

Cab

 

Regular Cab

 

SuperCab

 

Crew Cab

Cargo Box

8ft

 

6.75ft

8ft

 

6.75ft

8ft

Drive

4x2

4x4

4x2

4x4

4x2

4x4

4x2

4x4

4x2

4x4

Base curb weight

F250 SRW

5675

6135

5925

6385

6050

6510

6100

6560

6225

6685

F350 SRW

5813

6273

6063

6523

6188

6648

6238

6698

6363

6823

F350 DRW

6125

6585

-

-

6500

6960

6685

7145

6810

7270

F450 DRW

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

8290

8687

Max payload capacity 1

F250 SRW

3130

2860

3070

2810

3150

2880

3100

2830

3170

2910

F350 SRW

4220

4220

4040

4070

4210

4140

4160

4090

4230

4170

F350 DRW

5670

5410

-

-

5690

5430

5640

5380

5720

5250

F450 DRW

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

6120

5720

Max GVWR

F250 SRW

9400

9600

9600

9800

9800

10,000

9800

10,000

10,000

10,000

F350 SRW

10,700

11,100

10,800

11,200

11,000

11,400

11,000

11,400

11,200

11,500

F350 DRW

12,400

12,600

-

-

12,800

13000

12,800

13,000

13,000

13,000

F450 DRW

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

14500

14500

 

Maximum
GCWR

5.4L, 3.73:1 axle

16,000

5.4L, 4.10:1 axle

18,500

6.8L, 4.10:1 axle

21,500

6.8L, 4.30:1 axle

23,000

6.4L diesel, 3.73:1 axle

23,500

6.4L diesel, 4.10:1 axle

23,500

6.4L diesel, 4.30:1 axle

29,000

 6.4L diesel, 4.88:1 axle

33000

Max. Towing 1

F-250/F-350 SRW

F-350 DRW

F-450 DRW 

Conventional-Weight carrying

5000(2268)

6000(2722)

6000 

Conventional-Weight distributing

12,500(5670)

15,000(6804)

16000 

5th Wheel/Goose Neck

16800*

18700

24500

*F-350 SRW only
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dgeesaman
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2007-08-08 11:54 AM (#65419 - in reply to #65320)
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Thanks to everyone for your responses.  They all helped a lot.

Regarding the long bed, I know we want a crew cab, and I know parking just a shortbed supercab gets irritating.  Longbed crew cab would be unacceptable as a daily driver.  20mpg highway though is not bad at all, and I'm glad to know I probably won't need dually size in the rear.  We'll definitely consider the bed size when choosing the trailer.

Though one can't judge the suitability of a truck without seeing the trailer nameplate, it does help immensely to know that your trailers are in the 10000-16000lb range.  It would have taken multiple phone calls to various manufacturers to reach a similar conclusion.

As for the gear ratio in the F-250/350 SRW, I can always change the diff gearing and speedo.  I suspect that it won't be a big deal, especially since I don't forsee getting a very large/heavy trailer.

Dave



Edited by dgeesaman 2007-08-08 11:57 AM
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-08-08 4:02 PM (#65444 - in reply to #65404)
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Rich, I should have expained my trailer better. It is a 15' LQ, 3' mid and a 1000 lb slide out (not all slides are made the same!!), 40 gal water tank and holding tanks, 2 larger sized LP tanks and a generator with a 30 gal tank, so it is a heavy beggar but my point was the OPs question needed more info to answer properly.

Edited by hav2ride 2007-08-08 4:05 PM
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Rich M.
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2007-08-08 4:30 PM (#65446 - in reply to #65320)
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Wow, thats a bruiser in my book !. Comfy though I'll bet.
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-08-08 7:41 PM (#65455 - in reply to #65444)
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Yea, it's as big as I would ever want to haul. I wish it were about 3'shorter but then I couldn't have my slide out. I don't mind hauling it at all, it's just not too easy to get into tight areas. But the space really helps because I live in it for weeks at a time (with my dog) and sometimes my husband is in there too. He's actually the one who wanted the slider. I was content in my 12' LQ.
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happyrider929
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2007-08-09 8:18 AM (#65471 - in reply to #65320)
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I've pulled a tapered nose GN with an F250 crew cab short bed for over 6 years now, without a single problem, and I've maneuvered in some pretty tight spots before. We also wanted the crew cab (and are VERY happy we got it), but didn't want a long bed either due to daily driving and parking considerations. This truck pulls great!
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SLICKRNSNOT
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2007-08-09 10:16 AM (#65481 - in reply to #65320)
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On My Trails west,10x15 with slide and angled mid tack 3 horse,Pulled with a 06 Ford crew cab dually long bed.4.10 rear and auto.

weight

front truck 5150

rear truck 8100

both trailer axles 10600 ( 2 horses add # for 3rd)

total 23850 water,food,clothed,beer,...did I mention beer ? oh yea...

that gives a tounge wt of 4850 and trailer wt of 15450

 

just some info.I also added air springs and air horn, wife loves it.

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2007-08-09 11:57 AM (#65486 - in reply to #65481)
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Air horn?  I bet that will scare the crud out of people trying to cut in front of you.
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SLICKRNSNOT
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2007-08-09 1:55 PM (#65494 - in reply to #65320)
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Yea it does !
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hav2ride
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Posted 2007-08-10 8:01 AM (#65546 - in reply to #65494)
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I would like to have an air horn too. Last weel I was on a major 3 lane highway going 65 in the middle lane and I had a loaded dump truck cut me off and hit his brakes. With no where to go, I had to hit my brakes HARD and layed on my horn. I don't think he even heard my horn (or he was just being obnoxious). Now, if I had had an air horn.... :)
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