Posted 2010-10-16 11:49 AM (#125829) Subject: Trailer pulling question
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Is a 32' long 14 sw LQ 4 horse to much trailer for a 1 ton Dodge Dually? I really have not wanted to go much bigger than 28' long trailer w/ 10 to 12' sw, but I may have found a heck of a deal on a really nice trailer, but I don't want to ruin my truck because of it. Any advice?
Posted 2010-10-16 11:59 AM (#125830 - in reply to #125829) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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What make trailer? Electric over hydraulic disc trailer brakes? What will the trailer weigh loaded with horses and all of your stuff? What year model is the Dodge dually? Diesel? Automatic or Manual? 3.55, 3.73 or 4.10 rear gear? Need more info.
I would say this trailer with what info you have included, will be a bit "pin heavy" for the Dodge 3500.
Posted 2010-10-16 12:15 PM (#125831 - in reply to #125830) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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Its a Platinum Reverse Load. The dealer thought it wieghed somewhere around 10,000 to 12,000 #'s.
I have no idea on the breaking system.
My truck is a 2007 manual 4x4 with the new diesel engine and I don't remember which rear end it has in it, its the one for pulling. Sorry I don't have much info
Posted 2010-10-16 9:04 PM (#125861 - in reply to #125829) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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Looks like your truck may be rated to pull between 15000 and 16000 lbs..... Depends on axle ratio, crew cab, mega cab, etc... The pin weight or tongue weight of this trailer may be too heavy also, alot depends on the location of the trailer axles. What's the GVWR of the trailer??? I had an all aluminum 34' box 6 horse head to head with no LQ that weighed 10000# empty. I would imagine that trailer you're looking at will weigh 12000# or better. Only way to be sure is to hook up, load up and weigh the truck and trailer all together.
Posted 2010-10-16 10:23 PM (#125866 - in reply to #125831) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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Originally written by realitycheck on 2010-10-16 1:15 PM
Its a Platinum Reverse Load. The dealer thought it wieghed somewhere around 10,000 to 12,000 #'s.
I have no idea on the breaking system.
My truck is a 2007 manual 4x4 with the new diesel engine and I don't remember which rear end it has in it, its the one for pulling. Sorry I don't have much info
Tell the dealer you need actual weight numbers...like retento said...hook it up and weigh it...then calculate your ADDITIONAL LOAD...do NOT skimp on those numbers
Posted 2010-10-17 10:37 AM (#125887 - in reply to #125829) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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You need to know the tongue weight as well as the total weight. I have a LQ trailer with 3 horse slant 16 foot living quarters with a 4 foot mud room, 12 foot slide out with 2 awining, generator, extra 50 gallon water tank. After getting I weight it and found out it had 5850 lbs of tongue weight it was 2 heavy for my 1 ton. To be league I had to go to a 2 ton with the bigger brakes for stopping. Just what I went throw when I got a bigger trailer. Stopping is a big thing.
Posted 2010-10-17 4:27 PM (#125895 - in reply to #125829) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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Your truck will pull it and stop it, we have pulled 15 tons of hay home with a similar truck, your problems may be the weight and what is considered legal.
Depending upon what state you are in and how the licensing laws are written you can and many people do register one-ton trucks to pull quite a bit more weight than the door tags say. Have a look into the "Hot-Shot" haulers and how they register the trucks they use.
I know one here in Nevada that has one-ton trucks running close to 40,000 pounds and is fully legal and insured.
The door tag is not the end all, be all of hauling.
Posted 2010-10-20 1:21 PM (#126063 - in reply to #125895) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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Originally written by tr0y on 2010-10-17 4:27 PM
Your truck will pull it and stop it, we have pulled 15 tons of hay home with a similar truck, your problems may be the weight and what is considered legal.
Depending upon what state you are in and how the licensing laws are written you can and many people do register one-ton trucks to pull quite a bit more weight than the door tags say. Have a look into the "Hot-Shot" haulers and how they register the trucks they use.
I know one here in Nevada that has one-ton trucks running close to 40,000 pounds and is fully legal and insured.
The door tag is not the end all, be all of hauling.
Posted 2010-10-20 8:39 PM (#126076 - in reply to #125895) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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Originally written by tr0y on 2010-10-17 4:27 PM
The door tag is not the end all, be all of hauling.
But it will be when litigation time comes as a result from your accident. I say no, your truck will not safely handle that trailer. I pull a Trail Rider trailer, 3 horse, 17' short wall, there is 5500 pounds of tongue weight, trailer weights about 14,000 empty. My truck of choice for this trailer, GMC Topkick. Plenty of power and most importantly the ability to stop the load even if the trailer brakes fail!
Posted 2010-10-20 8:48 PM (#126077 - in reply to #125829) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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Hornet I beg to differ, if you are legally registered and insured for the for the weight, that can be done in many states with no issue why would it become a litigation issue ? More of an issue to litigate if there were an accident would be the fault of the driver not state vehicle registration or insurance if issued in accordance with statute.
If you are an attorney and can provide case law / precedent I am all for it, but as my small brain reads the statute in my state it is not the door tag that is the law it is the registered weight and the ability to insure for that weight and registration.
Posted 2010-10-20 10:28 PM (#126084 - in reply to #126077) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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Originally written by tr0y on 2010-10-20 9:48 PM
Hornet I beg to differ, if you are legally registered and insured for the for the weight, that can be done in many states with no issue why would it become a litigation issue ? More of an issue to litigate if there were an accident would be the fault of the driver not state vehicle registration or insurance if issued in accordance with statute.If you are an attorney and can provide case law / precedent I am all for it, but as my small brain reads the statute in my state it is not the door tag that is the law it is the registered weight and the ability to insure for that weight and registration.
it goes off the factory GVWR you can change your registration to 20,30,or 40,000 gvw but your axle weight will stay the same the only person that can change it is manufacture... And the lawyers litigating AGAINST YOU will point that out to the jury
Posted 2010-10-20 10:33 PM (#126085 - in reply to #126084) Subject: Ran out pass the three minutes
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If YOU are OVER the FACTORY NUMBERS without documented modifications, the lawyers litigating AGAINST YOU will point that out to the jury and your insurance company may cut you loose claiming you fraudulently misrepresented your towing rig at registration time...
Posted 2010-10-20 11:02 PM (#126088 - in reply to #125829) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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Originally written by realitycheck on 2010-10-16 11:49 AM
Is a 32' long 14 sw LQ 4 horse to much trailer for a 1 ton Dodge Dually? I really have not wanted to go much bigger than 28' long trailer w/ 10 to 12' sw, but I may have found a heck of a deal on a really nice trailer, but I don't want to ruin my truck because of it. Any advice?
TOO MUCH TRAILER for that truck! Need to check the weight on a scale and not take the dealers word for it. I would guess that that trailer is closer to 12-k PLUS range empty. Not to say your truck will not pull it, but you must think about trying to STOP it once it gets rolling...
Posted 2010-10-21 6:01 AM (#126098 - in reply to #126089) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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As Paul said, in my state I can buy 36,000 pound plates for an S-10 pickup, doesn't mean I'd be legal in the eyes of the judge/jury if I attempted to move that much weight and lost control of it causing an accident. And I have heard of case where the owner was grossley over the weight ratings of the truck, not just over, but way over, the insurance company did just what Paul said and rejected your policy on the spot leaving you on your own. And of course I know an s-10 is a gross exaggeration, but you get my point. What plate I buy at the DMV desk means nothing to what the truck can handle.
Posted 2010-10-21 10:05 AM (#126111 - in reply to #125829) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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Hornet,
You are mixing two different ideas, what is legal, and and what is negligent, if by statute you are allowed to do something i.e. purchase an increased load limit and insurance without deception, and did not violate any traffic laws even in an "accident" then by definition you are not doing anything illegal. While in a civil suit you "could" still be found negligent.
This is America where people can and will litigate for just about anything, even things considered legal by the agencies that regulate them.
Now if after a long weekend with the horses you took any truck and trailer combo, even well within the door tag limits, and failed to obey traffic laws then the courts may have some issues and let the liability suits fly. This could be considered negligent.
As for your buying a 30K weight limit and insurance for an S10 without deception or an omission a material facts I am going to bet it would not happen.
As for the manufacturer being right all the time without question you may want to look at the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, while not what exactly we are talking about here it would fall into a very similar situation .
Posted 2010-10-21 10:25 AM (#126112 - in reply to #126111) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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Originally written by tr0y on 2010-10-21 10:05 AM
Hornet, You are mixing two different ideas, what is legal, and and what is negligent, if by statute you are allowed to do something i.e. purchase an increased load limit and insurance without deception, and did not violate any traffic laws even in an "accident" then by definition you are not doing anything illegal. While in a civil suit you "could" still be found negligent. This is America where people can and will litigate for just about anything, even things considered legal by the agencies that regulate them. Now if after a long weekend with the horses you took any truck and trailer combo, even well within the door tag limits, and failed to obey traffic laws then the courts may have some issues and let the liability suits fly. This could be considered negligent. As for your buying a 30K weight limit and insurance for an S10 without deception or an omission a material facts I am going to bet it would not happen. As for the manufacturer being right all the time without question you may want to look at the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, while not what exactly we are talking about here it would fall into a very similar situation . Paul care to ask the family ...
Regardles if it is legal or not it doesn't sound very smart.
Posted 2010-10-21 11:57 AM (#126118 - in reply to #126112) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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Troy,
You go right and pull what ever the hell you want. The original poster asked for opinions I gave mine, you gave yours. I'm so sick of seeing people pull way more trailer then their vehicle can handle. To those I say you get what's coming. The MFG GCVW/GVW stamp is there for a reason, if it didn't matter there wouldn't be one on the vehicle.
Posted 2010-10-21 12:14 PM (#126119 - in reply to #125829) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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As for the deception to acquire a 36,000 pound plate, none would be required. When I register a truck they ask what weight plate I want, I tell them, they don't check the vehicle, they don't care as long as I'm not over the plate limit. As I said that was an exaggeration but the principle is the same.
Posted 2010-10-21 6:34 PM (#126130 - in reply to #126111) Subject: RE: Trailer pulling question
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Originally written by tr0y on 2010-10-21 11:05 AM
Hornet, You are mixing two different ideas, what is legal, and and what is negligent, if by statute you are allowed to do something i.e. purchase an increased load limit and insurance without deception, and did not violate any traffic laws even in an "accident" then by definition you are not doing anything illegal. While in a civil suit you "could" still be found negligent. This is America where people can and will litigate for just about anything, even things considered legal by the agencies that regulate them.Now if after a long weekend with the horses you took any truck and trailer combo, even well within the door tag limits, and failed to obey traffic laws then the courts may have some issues and let the liability suits fly. This could be considered negligent. As for your buying a 30K weight limit and insurance for an S10 without deception or an omission a material facts I am going to bet it would not happen. As for the manufacturer being right all the time without question you may want to look at the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, while not what exactly we are talking about here it would fall into a very similar situation . Paul care to ask the family ...
Tr0y you should go over to any HOTSHOT forum and run this by them...they will tell you the same thing...if you personally overate the axles of your truck ABOVE the manufacturer's rating, you will be up a creek without a paddle...here is a thread about it http://ltlhotshot.myfreeforum.org/about3634.html&highlight=weight ...citing the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is a muddying of the waters...add-ons are NOT supposed to invalidate your warranty...but you'd be surprised...If you own a Duramax and you put a tuner on it and you develop engine problems, be prepared to be told you're NOT covered...Now if you want to ad extra heavy duty axles on your 3500 you could do that but if your transmission then failed plan on having GM reject your claim on your Allison...Give this thread a read http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/04-5-05-lly-duramax-powertrain/60...
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. Its a heck of a deal, but after what you guys have said and what I have heard it will be to much trailer. 
And the lawyers litigating AGAINST YOU will point that out to the jury
