Posted 2006-10-13 9:53 AM (#50052) Subject: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck
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Weighed my rig at the local truck stop CAT scale the other day - fully loaded (2 water tanks = 113 gallons, Honda generator, fuel, groceries, saddles, clothes etc) and ready to camp w/ two horses (15.1 h and 16.3 h gelding) aboard.
'01 GMC 2500HD Diesel 4x4 4-door w/ long bed, single rear wheel truck
I don't usually haul the bigger horse - just wanted to report my weight distribution. I don't feel "undertrucked" or "overtrailered" and I realize a dually would be more stable. Am I ok as is? Thanks!
Posted 2006-10-13 4:54 PM (#50072 - in reply to #50070) Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck
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Originally written by jdzaharia on 2006-10-13 5:30 PM
I am surprised nobody has mentioned the obvious. You are exceeding the GVW of your pickup. 10,440 > 9200.
the gvwr and gcwr are manufacturer ratings, more related to warrenty and performance, not safety or state law. i reside in sc so i will only speak for sc (but sc by no means the only state that thinks this way), the transport police DO NOT care about gvwr or gcwr, only axle ratings and what the truck is registered for.
the rear axle appears to be 76 pounds overweight. and the pin weight ~3300 pounds, depending on what else is in the bed. and they say 3/4 ton diesels wont haul.
Posted 2006-10-13 6:08 PM (#50073 - in reply to #50052) Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck
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Glad to see some actual weights listed across the axles in this setup. I agree with what Tx.Vaquero said. I had mentioned of all the large lq's being pulled by SRW 3/4 and 1tons I see at the shows in another post. Was concerned of weight on rear tires. I have 01 GMC 2500HD crew 4x4 dually(8.1/Allison) with 245/75/16 tires(Michelin) and 89 2500 burbie with 235/85/16(Uniroyal) tires. Both are 'E' rated for 3,042lbs each. And yes the GVWR I believe is 9,200lbs. for that vehicle, it is for my dually. As chadsalt said the police(is that everywhere) aren't interested in GVWR's, but I wonder if insurance companys are in case of an accident. Manufacturers put in numbers for a reason, safety and liability. That duramax should pull it, it's same engine/tranny as in a one ton. Just my 2 cents.
Posted 2006-10-13 6:57 PM (#50075 - in reply to #50073) Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck
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Originally written by lostinohio on 2006-10-13 7:08 PM
Glad to see some actual weights listed across the axles in this setup. I agree with what Tx.Vaquero said. I had mentioned of all the large lq's being pulled by SRW 3/4 and 1tons I see at the shows in another post. Was concerned of weight on rear tires. I have 01 GMC 2500HD crew 4x4 dually(8.1/Allison) with 245/75/16 tires(Michelin) and 89 2500 burbie with 235/85/16(Uniroyal) tires. Both are 'E' rated for 3,042lbs each. And yes the GVWR I believe is 9,200lbs. for that vehicle, it is for my dually. As chadsalt said the police(is that everywhere) aren't interested in GVWR's, but I wonder if insurance companys are in case of an accident. Manufacturers put in numbers for a reason, safety and liability. That duramax should pull it, it's same engine/tranny as in a one ton. Just my 2 cents.
ok ill bite. a 2500hd dually? with only a 9200 gvwr? something doesnt sound right. perhaps a srw converted to a dually? whats the story?
Posted 2006-10-13 8:19 PM (#50080 - in reply to #50052) Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck
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hey chadsalt,
Truck was bought used couple months back and came as described. Talked to GM parts guy and supposedly could order 2500HD with dually option that year(a car/truck review website confirmed it). Perhaps it was ordered to get 3.73(which it has) gears instead of 4.10's. or perhaps city restrictions forbid 1 ton or heavier parking in residential areas(driveways), I remember Country Club Hills or Flossmoor,IL had that restriction years ago. Can't wait to find park place that says no 1 ton or heavier trucks and leave it there. Take care
Fastguard ... Thanks for posting ... Having facts (actual weights) is helpful to our future discussions.
Looks like; at your max load you're 76 pounds over the rear axle rating. Keeping the water tanks empty would keep you under that. Depending on which trailer stall position the moose horse was loaded in, leaving him off might make the hitch weight higher, not lower
Posted 2006-10-14 11:06 PM (#50105 - in reply to #50052) Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck
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At Congress with slow internet, so I'm behind on emails. Glad to see you are weighing your loaded rig. 01 and newer GM diesel HD2500's only had 3.73 axle ratio's with no factory dually option. Factory weight ratings, especially Gross Combined Weight Ratings are what insurance companies and courts go buy. What else do they have? In Colorado, if you are in an accident, no action. But if you are in an accident with another motorist, then the State Patrol may take your rig to a truck scale. This can cause conflict with your insurance coverage, as not wearing a seat belt does.
Posted 2006-10-16 8:36 AM (#50126 - in reply to #50052) Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck
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That brings up my other question about loading -
I usually keep my first stall full of camping stuff - hay etc. The second stall belongs to my 15.1 horse and for this trip I put the moose in the last stall, thinking the weight in the back would pull the nose of the trailer up and put less weight on the ball.
Thank you everyone for your comments. I will weigh in again next time with the same load and only one horse and see what the difference is.
So the way I see this - it was to my truck's benefit to have moose horse in the rear - although he boosted my overall rig weight, his butt in the back pulled the weight up off my truck? Next time I go camping, I will put my horse in the last stall and see what that does...
To top off all this new knowledge - I learned a few more things yesterday.
1.) It is great traveling in a convoy, especially with men around to help me
When the bearing goes bad on your trailer tire (and thanks to good friends you catch it before it catches your rig on fire)
2.) You can remove the tire from the same axle, on the other side of the trailer (check with your manufacturer) and drive home safely. I unloaded my horse off my trailer and he rode home with a friend.
My bearings were just serviced and repacked 8/18/06. Go figure.