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rowland
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2007-07-24 8:20 AM (#64316)
Subject: Pulling a GN with 07 Chevy crew 1/2 ton short bed


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Does anyone pull a gooseneck trailer with a new 07 Chevy half ton crew cab with the really short bed?  I didn't think it could be done, but was told this weekend that B&W makes a hitch for it now that can be used with an offset ball and will work.  Anyone have any experience with this?
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laxpatrick
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2007-07-24 9:38 AM (#64320 - in reply to #64316)
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Can it be done? Sure. Be sure to tow within the listed capacities and limits of your vehicle.

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gabz
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-07-24 12:45 PM (#64333 - in reply to #64316)
Subject: RE: Pulling a GN with 07 Chevy crew 1/2 ton short bed



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http://www.mrtruck.net/index.html

Cruise around at Mr. Truck's site and search for B&W ( I think that's who makes the extended coupler).

Also - shop for a trailer with a tapered nose within your weight limitations of the tow vehicle.

This is why I prefer an extended cab over the crew cabs... still get 4 doors and a back seat, but it also gives you the 6.5 / 6.75 foot bed.

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rowland
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2007-07-24 1:10 PM (#64334 - in reply to #64316)
Subject: RE: Pulling a GN with 07 Chevy crew 1/2 ton short bed


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Thanks for the info!  We haven't bought the truck yet, we really want a crew cab, but only need a 1/2 ton truck.  I already have my trailer, 97 Hart 16' 3H aluminum with a tapered nose- that I've pulled with a half ton before.

I was just concerned about clearance issues with the extreme short bed.  I did speak with B&W this morning and they now make a hitch for these new short beds and did recommend the extended hitch.  Again, thanks for the replies!  Keep them coming if anyone has any other suggestions or experience pulling with these short bed trucks.

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laxpatrick
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2007-07-24 4:48 PM (#64344 - in reply to #64316)
Subject: RE: Pulling a GN with 07 Chevy crew 1/2 ton short bed


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Discussions of capacities and everything else aside, I'd still err on the side of the 3/4 ton.  Typically have bigger brakes, etc. and I find myself happy that I've got the extra capacity/safety (albeit perception IMHO) of the 3/4.  The chebbies ride pretty nice in that truck too.

Just my opinion.  It's always easier to have "too much" truck for the task, not as simple to have "not enough" for hauling other, bigger, farm type stuff.

 

LAXPatrick

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cutter4life
Reg. Mar 2007
Posted 2007-07-25 8:25 AM (#64372 - in reply to #64316)
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Ditto the advice on the 3/4 ton truck. You can never have too much truck in my opinion!
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RoperChick
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2007-07-25 11:55 AM (#64377 - in reply to #64316)
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I agree, I would go with a 3/4 ton. If you look at the tow ratings, you are going to be at or over the max for a 1/2 ton truck. If you have a 3/4 ton, you are going to have a lot of room left before you hit the max.
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2007-07-25 12:37 PM (#64382 - in reply to #64377)
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Originally written by RoperChick on 2007-07-25 10:55 AM

I agree, I would go with a 3/4 ton. If you look at the tow ratings, you are going to be at or over the max for a 1/2 ton truck. If you have a 3/4 ton, you are going to have a lot of room left before you hit the max.

 

That's not always true.  I had a 03 Dodge 1500 that was rated for 10,000lbs and traded it in for 02 Dodge 2500 deisel that only has a rating for 9500lbs.

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gabz
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-07-25 12:45 PM (#64383 - in reply to #64316)
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While I do not disagree that a 3/4 ton tow vehicle can offer some additional stability when towing a GN trailer; I'm not always sure that there is more towing power, per se.

For instance - when comparing a Ford 150 with the 5.4L, V8 gas engine with a 3.73 axle ratio to an F250 with similar equipment, both the 150 and 250 SuperCab (extended cab - not the 4 door crew), 4WD trucks, have the EXACT same towing capacity.

When looking at Ford's towing guides, the 150 (configured as described above) has a GCWR of 15,000; the 250 has a GCWR of 16,000 ...  which probably accomodates the slightly heavier tow vehicle.

I don't know about GM, Chevy, Dodge, or any of the Imports.

The only way there is a significant difference in tow capacity between a FORD 1/2 ton (F150) and FORD 3/4 ton (F250)  is when a larger engine (with appropriate transmission), or when a diesel engine replaces the gasser.

If a person has a tow vehicle with a GCWR of 15k; buys a 4H ALL Alum horse trailer (less than 4500 pounds empty); they could conceivably haul the 4H with 3 horses and still be within the spec limits of the F150. Keeping in mind that a 2WD has a greater carrying capacity (but less stability I think) than a 4WD; a regular cab having even more carrying capacity than an extended cab.

I think that the ultimate key is the wheelbase length and the weight of the tow vehicle in relationship to the trailer, versus geographical features balanced with how much wear and tear does someone want to put on their tow vehicle.

Here in the midwest, where there are hills but not MOUNTAINS, it is quite different than driving through the Atlantic seaboard states or the midwest and west coast.

I have an F150 SuperCab, 5.4l, 3.73 axle ratio, 4WD. My trailer is a Titan Galvanized STEEL trailer, 3H GN with 4' shortwall. Unloaded it is 5050 pounds. I haul 1 horse on weekend camping trips when I have to haul a couple of hundred pounds of water and hay and ice/food/etc.  

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2007-07-25 12:57 PM (#64385 - in reply to #64383)
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I think that the ultimate key is the wheelbase length and the weight of the tow vehicle in relationship to the trailer, versus geographical features balanced with how much wear and tear does someone want to put on their tow vehicle.

 

You almost sound like an owners manuel.  At least your easier to understand than the directions that came with the DVD player my husband just bought.  I think it was in english, but I'm not sure.  I threw that away and figured out everything for myself.

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RoperChick
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2007-07-25 12:57 PM (#64386 - in reply to #64316)
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There's a bigger difference with the Chevy's. This is from the GM website and is the maximum trailer weight. They don't have the rating for a shortbed pulling a gooseneck, but the highest gooseneck rating for the 1/2 ton Extended Cab Standard Box 4x2 with the 6.0 liter engine and 3.73 rear end is 10,300lbs. For the 2500 the highest rating for the same truck 12700, if you put the diesel engine in the truck, the rating goes to 15,400.   Of course the GCVW rating needs to be looked at too. 

The weight on these trailers adds up pretty fast.  Our 3 horse Exiss weighs 4700 pounds, but you add 3 big head horses at 1,350 pounds each (yes that's what they weigh) and now you're at 8,750lbs  Add the water tank, oak wardrobe, shelves and boot box, hay, shavings, 5 roping saddles and everything but the kitchen sink (LOL!!, I like to be prepared when I travel) and this trailer is easily at 10,000 pounds.  For a 1/2 ton, the truck would be at the max or maybe even over, but not for a 3/4 ton.  I personally, would feel much better having too much truck rather than an adequate or overloaded truck.



Edited by RoperChick 2007-07-25 1:14 PM
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gabz
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-07-25 12:59 PM (#64387 - in reply to #64385)
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Originally written by Terri on 2007-07-25 1:57 PM

I think that the ultimate key is the wheelbase length and the weight of the tow vehicle in relationship to the trailer, versus geographical features balanced with how much wear and tear does someone want to put on their tow vehicle.

 

You almost sound like an owners manuel.  At least your easier to understand than the directions that came with the DVD player my husband just bought.  I think it was in english, but I'm not sure.  I threw that away and figured out everything for myself.

Uh Oh... I've been uncovered... I play a Technical Writer on TV.

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2007-07-25 1:02 PM (#64388 - in reply to #64387)
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HA!!  I knew it!
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Cloud9
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2007-07-26 7:07 AM (#64429 - in reply to #64386)
Subject: RE: Pulling a GN with 07 Chevy crew 1/2 ton short bed


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You need to check the GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating). That's how much you can put in the truck plus, how much you can put in the trailer plus the weight of the truck and trailer. Your trailer should have a GVW sticker or plate on it.

For instance, my '03 Ram 2500 has a GCWR of 20,000 and a Max Trailer weight rating of 13,100. the '04 Ram 3500 is 25,000 GCWR and a 16,000 lb trailer weight rating.
The trailer plate on my 3h Bison with 10' LQ has a GVW of 17,000 (Max weight when loaded) That's potentially, how much it can weigh when fully loaded. We crossed a scale at 23,000. Too much for the 2500. Of course the ultimate test is to run the rig over a scale.

As for the extended hitch, Pop-Up also makes one.

Edited by Cloud9 2007-07-26 7:22 AM
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laxpatrick
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2007-07-26 8:19 AM (#64432 - in reply to #64316)
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...and let's not forget pin weight.
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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-07-26 9:29 AM (#64436 - in reply to #64432)
Subject: RE: Pulling a GN with 07 Chevy crew 1/2 ton short bed


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Originally written by laxpatrick on 2007-07-26 7:19 AM

...and let's not forget pin weight.

Excellent point.

I weighed a 3H 4foot SW with 3 horses loaded for a week long trip.  The truck's rear axle was 5700 pounds and the two trailer axles were 7960 pounds.

Your results may be different, but I won't put 5700 pounds on a 1/2 ton axle.

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cowgirldi34
Reg. Jan 2006
Posted 2007-07-26 7:27 PM (#64458 - in reply to #64316)
Subject: RE: Pulling a GN with 07 Chevy crew 1/2 ton short bed


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I'm with you, Hoss Puller. Have owned a 3- horse  GN for years,pulling fully loaded 500-1500 miles a trip.  Would never consider using a 1/2 ton or short box for this, especially one of those really short box ones. What is the use of HAVING a pickup,if you can't haul anything bigger than a cooler in the back?? Have tried pulling my trailer with my in-law's 1/2 ton. Could hardly make it up small hills here in Iowa, truck really bogged down,( and it was a heavy duty one) Felt like I was rolling back down hill.Also,  I have seen too many dents in truck cabs and the front of trailers, not to own a full size, long box pickup. My 1 ton, crew cab, long box diesel may not look as " sporty" or "cute" as one of those itty bitty short boxes, but I know that I have the power to pull my trailer up and out of situations, that would be a little tough on a 1/2 ton truck. I wouldn't risk ruining my tranney, let alone putting my horses at risk, not having enough power to climb hills, etc.  3/4 or one ton IS better ! Hey, no offense, just a woman's point of view!!

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Maximizer
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2007-07-26 11:40 PM (#64467 - in reply to #64316)
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I pulled a 3 horse GN with a 4 ft shortwall for several years with a reg cab, 1/2 ton, short bed chevy... I all I had in the back of the bed was one of those plates with a ball on it to hook the trailer too.. I never had any problems.. Granted now I own a diesel but you have to look at the price different too.. I went to a diesel just because I could afford one and they last longer. Granted the extra power is nice but my old 1/2 ton pulled my trailer just fine.. I say you wanna use your half ton to pull your trailer ROCK ON!!!! You shouldn't have any troubles.. I had a 178,000 miles on my half ton when I got rid of it and never had any tranny troubles.. Good Luck!!!
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