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JLFleet
Reg. Feb 2007
Posted 2007-02-13 5:59 PM (#55500)
Subject: Towing vehicle questions


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Hi all, I am currently looking at SUVs to use as a tow vehicle.  I cannot get a truck, as the vehicle will have to do double duty as my regular car, and my husband will occasionally use it for work, when he has to entertain/transport multiple customers, etc.  A pickup just won't work for us.

I will most likely only be hauling one horse at a time (Arabian), but maybe two on occasion.  I am looking at something like the Featherlite 2-horse aluminum slant load, or perhaps a 3-horse slant load so I'd have room for hay, etc.  I believe these trailers are 3,000 lbs or less, and are well under 20' long.

We've looked at many of the larger SUVs (don't want an extra-large like a Suburban) and the one both of like the best so far is the 2007 Toyota Sequoia.

However, while on the Ford site, I was shocked to read that the 2007 Ford Explorer (not the Expedition) has a higher towing capacity than the Sequoia!? 

I'm looking for some knowlege/guidance on what to look for safety-wise.  I know wheelbase of the tow vehicle must be kept in mind, but the trailers I'm looking at are all under 20 feet long, and the guidelines I've read are 110" of wheelbase are needed for a 20" trailer.

The Sequoia has 118.1" of WB, the Explorer has 113.7"

They are both V8's, the Sequoia being a 4.7 liter, the Explorer a 4.6 liter.

Horsepower for Sequoia is 273 with torque of 314, Explorer is 292 hp w/300 torque.

They both have stabilizer bars front and rear.

The biggest difference I can find is that the Sequoia has a 4.1 axle ratio (limited slip) and the Explorer only has a 3.55 non-limited-slip axle.  They have replaced the limited slip technology with "traction control" technology...?

I think they both come with a class IV hitch.

Both have ventilated disc brakes in front, the Sequoia has them in rear too, the Explorer has regular disc brakes in the rear.  The Sequoia also has "braking assist" with the Explorer doesn't.

Max towing capacity for the Sequoia is 6500 lbs. 

Max towing capacity for the Explorer Limited V8 is 7200 lbs.  !!

I guess I'm questioning the difference in axle ratios, brakes, and the small difference in wheel base.

Would the 2007 Explorer be able to safely tow a basic 2 or 3 horse trailer without getting me into trouble if I had to brake hard or get up or down steep hills (not that we have any here in Florida..).  Would I get a sway problem?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.  The Explorer is about $10K less than the Sequoia, and it sure would be easier to drive around when I'm not towing.

But I've always read not to even consider an Explorer for hauling horses which was why I started looking at the full-size SUVs.  But maybe for my needs, I can get away with a mid-size?

Thanks!!

Jennifer

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bechack
Reg. Mar 2006
Posted 2007-02-13 8:57 PM (#55509 - in reply to #55500)
Subject: RE: Towing vehicle questions


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I think you will find the answers here are even more harsh than on ridecamp!

Good luck.
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2007-02-13 9:21 PM (#55511 - in reply to #55500)
Subject: RE: Towing vehicle questions


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either one will do fine if properly set up.  the people who say they wont do not have the experience/skill they think they do.

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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-02-14 12:19 AM (#55522 - in reply to #55500)
Subject: RE: Towing vehicle questions


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I don't know if the Explorer and a three horse slant is safe for the average driver.  An Aluminum trailer in the two to three horse size isn't but a few hundred pounds lighter than a similar sized steel trailer...don't be fooled into thinking you can get an extra slant stall because of the materials.

If you'll be hauling one horse I'd recommend a two horse.  If you get a bigger trailer you'll be hounded about hauling for others because you have extra room.  You can always put hay in a trash bag and put it in the tack room if needed.

If I were you(and I'm not, I might haul a lawnmower trailer with an Explorer but not a moving animal) I'd see if you could test the configuration out.  You may find you aren't that comfortable being pushed around by your "tail-end."  If you buy something and you find you can't drive, then what?  I've seen lots of new trailers being sold because the wifey bought more than she could handle.

Think of this like horses, young kid aged horse...older kid younger horse.

Little towing experience lots of room for error(larger safety margins), lots of towing experience little room for error.  I usually don't set clients up with less than a Yukon/Tahoe sized "truck" and a two horse trailer with dressing room.  It's the perfect Mom and kid rig.  Mom feels like she can drive it, run around all week as a Taxi and it's got enough room to hold all your stuff when off with the horse(s).  Or Mom and kid can both have a horse and room for their things.

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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2007-02-14 6:38 AM (#55528 - in reply to #55522)
Subject: RE: Towing vehicle questions


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Originally written by huntseat on 2007-02-14 12:19 AM I usually don't set clients up with less than a Yukon/Tahoe sized "truck" and a two horse trailer with dressing room. 
a well worded response, but are you familiar with the newer explorers? there is only ~500# weight difference and about ~2" of wheelbase between them and the tahoe. just something to think about. times, and trucks change.
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JLFleet
Reg. Feb 2007
Posted 2007-02-14 10:05 AM (#55545 - in reply to #55500)
Subject: RE: Towing vehicle questions


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I want to thank everybody for their input so far! I have so much to learn....fortunately, my husband will be there to help me out during my learning curve and will even drive us (me and my horse) to rides for a while until I feel comfortable.I have decided to definitely stick with a two horse slant load trailer. I want to keep the trailer as short and light as possible, even if I do end up with a full size SUV.A friend of ours is the gen mgr at a Chevy dealership, and is going to let me take a Tahoe LTZ on loan overnight sometime this week. That said, I would still so love to get away with something in the mid-size range - just handier in all aspects besides towing. And realistically, I'll probably only tow MAYBE once a month - and it will be just my one horse - unless we have a hurricane evacuation and I need to get both the heck out of dodge..LOL.Based on the info I've read here and elsewhere about the new Explorer, that has lead me to now research the Toyota 4Runner V8 (towing capacity of 7000 lbs and a 3.73 limited slip axle)...but I will start a new thread for that. :)Thanks again - you guys are a wealth of knowlege.Jennifer
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bjhouten
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2007-02-14 1:38 PM (#55556 - in reply to #55500)
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My first towing rig was a WW 2 horse 6'6" tall extra wide steel bumper pull and a 4 door Tahoe. I remember the Tahoe had a 114" wheel base, I don't recall the year ('90-'94?). I had to use a sway bar with it to keep the trailer from swaying at 55-60mph. I made trips of around 150 miles round tirp with that setup and it worke pretty well. I really enjoyed the Tahoe until the gas prices started rising....

-Betty

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-02-14 10:33 PM (#55577 - in reply to #55528)
Subject: RE: Towing vehicle questions


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Actually the Tahoe has a 5.3-liter V-8 that allows it to tow up to 8,200 pounds. vs the Ford Explorer's Max Towing capacity reaches 7300 lb with V8...

So the difference is actually 900 lbs...

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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-02-14 10:58 PM (#55579 - in reply to #55500)
Subject: RE: Towing vehicle questions


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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-02-14 11:50 PM (#55582 - in reply to #55500)
Subject: RE: Towing vehicle questions


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But even more important are the brakes...

Ford Explorer

Front Brakes Vented
Rear Brakes Solid
Front Brake Size 305.001 mm | 12 in.
Rear Brake Size 301.001 mm | 11.9 in.

Chevrolet Tahoe's are larger and therefore vent heat better...


Front Brake Size 13.001 in | 330.2 mm. 
Rear Brake Size 13.501 in | 342.9 mm.

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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2007-02-15 6:35 AM (#55594 - in reply to #55577)
Subject: RE: Towing vehicle questions


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Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2007-02-14 10:33 PM

Actually the Tahoe has a 5.3-liter V-8 that allows it to tow up to 8,200 pounds. vs the Ford Explorer's Max Towing capacity reaches 7300 lb with V8...

So the difference is actually 900 lbs...



i was refering to vehicle weight in reference to the "tail wagging the dog" everyone is so worried about. and actual brake rotor size is a moot point, any modern vehicle has enough brake power to lock the wheel at which point traction is the issue. btw, the tahoes brakes are larger than those on my 2005 gmc 2500hd duramax................

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-02-16 12:17 AM (#55660 - in reply to #55594)
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Originally written by chadsalt on 2007-02-15 7:35 AM

i was refering to vehicle weight in reference to the "tail wagging the dog" everyone is so worried about. and actual brake rotor size is a moot point, any modern vehicle has enough brake power to lock the wheel at which point traction is the issue. btw, the tahoes brakes are larger than those on my 2005 gmc 2500hd duramax................

Yes...you used to see the classic tail wagging when people bumper-pulled huge camper trailers with the cars...can we say OVERLOADED...

Unfortunately...it still occurs today with people who are under-trucked still trying to pull 35ft plus 4+ horse trailers and there is failure of their trailer brakes for whatever reason and then there is the proverbial crash which is when we get called, Fire/Rescue and the Police...

Because I see many 10-50s...I tend to err on the side of caution...

Take care when you are on the road...and if you ever get up to the frigid north...stop by...

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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2007-02-16 6:44 AM (#55665 - in reply to #55660)
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i have no problem erring on the side of caution. however the new explorer towing a typical 2h bp will only be at ~70% of it tow capacity, how much more margin is necessary for you/anyone to feel comfortable? if you need 5000# of truck to pull a 5000# of trailer what would we pull a big trailer with? most of the problem is preconcieved misconceptions, sure i grew up pulling a 2h with the 3/4 ton on the farm. that was 20+ years ago, how much has a 2h bp changed? now spec that 20 year old 3/4 ton to some of these midsized suvs, after that you wont even wonder about the new 1/2 tons. and thanks but im to "old" to get that "cold".

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Brookejisha
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2007-02-16 10:46 AM (#55673 - in reply to #55509)
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I would not only look at the towing capacity but also take into consideration that the car companies are not saying the vehicle will be able to tow this going at regular speeds. It will just be able to tow it. I think that one thing that is a little more of a problem when towing horses is that the weight of the trailer is shifting it is constantly putting a little more wear on a vehicle whether you can tell or not it does cause faster wearing on a vehicle. I understand the SUV thing vs. Truck. What are you using now for an everyday vehicle?Toyota makes good vehicles that are designed well. I have not towed with them but I also would not consider them as towing vehicle.Personally I think that they are designed for more comfort and a little less heavy duty. The Ford Explorer is a good vehicle however I would be wary of a few things. The transmission on the explorer is not set up for towing even with the towing package. It is just not heavy duty enough in my opinion I have known more than a few people that have had problems with them. I think that if I was in your shoes I would look at the chevy tahoe or the gmc yukon. The gm vehicles should have the allison transmission. This is without a doubt the best on the market for this kind of application. Do yo already own a trailer? What is the empty weight? Email me at Brookejisha@hotmail.com
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2007-02-16 11:42 AM (#55677 - in reply to #55673)
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Originally written by Brookejisha on 2007-02-16 11:46 AM

I would not only look at the towing capacity but also take into consideration that the car companies are not saying the vehicle will be able to tow this going at regular speeds. It will just be able to tow it.

 

thats an interesting opinon, did you read that in some paperwork somewhere?  my gmc manual specifically states "a properly equipped tow vehicle and trailer at the maximum gcwr should be able to accelerate and merge with traffic, climb typical interstate grades at highway speeds, handle the combination on virtually all road surfaces, and stop adequately within a resonable distance."  seems like it was in my trailblazers manual too.

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SHMANN
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-02-16 12:05 PM (#55678 - in reply to #55673)
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Originally written by Brookejisha on 2007-02-16 10:46 AM

Toyota makes good vehicles that are designed well. I have not towed with them but I also would not consider them as towing vehicle.Personally I think that they are designed for more comfort and a little less heavy duty.

I'm guessing that you haven't read the reviews on the new Tundra

My 4Runner has the towing package, it has done quite heavy pulling in our hilly areas of the state.  I guess I've never considered it in any way "less heavy duty" than an Explorer, or any other comparable full frame SUV.  I do agree however that the Tahoe would be a better horse trailer tow vehicle than a 4Runner or Explorer.  Last point - I don't believe you can get the Allison tranny in a Tahoe, but I may be wrong on that one.

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santelikk
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2007-02-16 3:55 PM (#55690 - in reply to #55673)
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Originally written by Brookejisha on 2007-02-16 10:46 AM
 The gm vehicles should have the allison transmission. This is without a doubt the best on the market for this kind of application.

 

The Allison tranmission is only available in the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks equipped with the durmax diesel or the 8.1 gas engine.

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