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pinkmouse
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2009-01-13 3:51 PM (#97439)
Subject: Insulation in horse area


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I will be putting rubber matting on both the head and butt sides of my trailer - currently there is nothing.  The trailer is dark (charcoal gray) and noisy.  Would you recommend putting foamboard type insulation (same as in the LQ section) behind the mats?  I was also considering painting the roof white - it is also charcoal gray.

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flyinghfarm
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2009-01-13 4:39 PM (#97443 - in reply to #97439)
Subject: RE: Insulation in horse area


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Yes to sidewall insulation, and yes to white roof!!!!  Good for you!

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-01-13 4:43 PM (#97445 - in reply to #97439)
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I repainted a trailer that originally had a brown interior, walls and ceiling, with white paint. The difference was easily noticeable with the increased reflectivity. It was a positive change.

I don't know if the foam board will endure the crushing it will be subjected to, especially on the butt side. Even if it were, is shouldn't effect anything behind the mats. It will insulate the wall and deaden some of the road noise, so it can't hurt to try.

Gard

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trguy4820
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2009-01-13 5:03 PM (#97449 - in reply to #97439)
Subject: RE: Insulation in horse area


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How do you plan to secure the rubber matting to the sidewalls? Most trailers insulated in the horse area have an interior steel or aluminum wall welded to the inside of the trailer with insulation in between these two walls. Then the rubber matting can mount to the interior walls.

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-01-13 5:10 PM (#97450 - in reply to #97439)
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She could install plywood sheathing to the walls, and screw the mats to the plywood.

Gard

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trguy4820
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2009-01-13 5:13 PM (#97451 - in reply to #97450)
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You read my mind. That is exactly where I was headed with her. "Great minds think alike"
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Barfly
Reg. Jun 2008
Posted 2009-01-14 5:21 AM (#97466 - in reply to #97451)
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And "FOOLS SELDOME DIFFER"  LOL

I just had to add that for a laugh...the idea is great though...

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-01-14 10:10 AM (#97480 - in reply to #97451)
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Originally written by trguy4820 on 2009-01-13 6:13 PM

 "Great minds "  QUOTE]

I'll never be accused of having one of these

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pinkmouse
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2009-01-14 4:36 PM (#97514 - in reply to #97450)
Subject: RE: Insulation in horse area


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Originally written by gard on 2009-01-13 6:10 PM

She could install plywood sheathing to the walls, and screw the mats to the plywood.

Gard

 

Good idea!!  

I called the trailer manufacturer when I first got the trailer and was told that they install the rubber matting directly to the steel channels in a fashion similar to installing vinyl siding - i.e. - elongated holes to allow for expansion and contraction.  The channels are 12' to 16" in spacing.  As I am looking to minimize the weight, I felt that the insulation would be adequate behind the mats to prevent a 'saggy' look - esp. in the summer when the mats would be expanded the most, while providing temperature/noise control for the horses.  I am struggling with the weight vs. aesthetic vs. functionality issues.  With gas as high as it was in the summer, combined with the poor gas mileage the truck gets, I would like to minimize the dead weight I am dragging behind me, while keeping the horses safety as the most important criteria for everything I do.  I hope this makes sense!!  LOL

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pinkmouse
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2009-01-14 4:37 PM (#97515 - in reply to #97445)
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Originally written by gard on 2009-01-13 5:43 PM

I repainted a trailer that originally had a brown interior, walls and ceiling, with white paint. The difference was easily noticeable with the increased reflectivity. It was a positive change.

I don't know if the foam board will endure the crushing it will be subjected to, especially on the butt side. Even if it were, is shouldn't effect anything behind the mats. It will insulate the wall and deaden some of the road noise, so it can't hurt to try.

Gard

Did you use a non-toxic paint?

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-01-14 5:06 PM (#97516 - in reply to #97439)
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 I used an automotive, single part white urethane paint with catalyst on the sidewalls above the windows, the ceiling, stall dividers, the forward bulkhead and the tack room. On the side walls below the windows, I coated the walls with Duplicolor. The exterior of the trailer was also shot with urethane paint in three colours to match my truck.

On the butt side, I installed 3/4" pressure treated plywood, fastened to the interior studs. The horses had been kicking this wall and damaging the steel. I did not cover the plywood with matting.

The foam insulation could be installed behind the plywood in the spacing between the studs. I would not think that a rubber mat hung between studs like a laundry day, would be very secure. The top edge especially, should be rigidly fastened, if a horse were to step onto it.

 My newer two trailers have rubber wall mats that are factory installed. They are both screwed and glued at the top and the seams are caulked to prevent materials from slipping between the surfaces. I have not detected any unusual expansion and contraction between the dissimilar rubber and the aluminum walls. The screw heads have not torn out, the glue joints have not failed. Based on my observation of this construction of two different builders, I would have to say that the expansion and contraction of the rubber mats in my area of the North East, is a non issue.

Gard



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pinkmouse
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2009-01-15 5:20 AM (#97539 - in reply to #97516)
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Originally written by gard on 2009-01-14 6:06 PM

 On the butt side, I installed 3/4" pressure treated plywood, fastened to the interior studs. The horses had been kicking this wall and damaging the steel. I did not cover the plywood with matting.

Gard

Ok - I hope I am not getting too detailed.  When you installed the plywood, did you put the wood all the way down to the frame with the floor next to the side, or did you have the plywood on top of the floor?  If the former, how much of a space did you leave between the wall/floor (if any) for drainage?  Did you use any type of sealant/caulking?  Did you countersink the screws?  Did you paint the plywood?  Thanks for all your help  :-)

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-01-15 8:52 AM (#97551 - in reply to #97539)
Subject: RE: Insulation in horse area


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Originally written by pinkmouse on 2009-01-15 6:20 AM

Originally written by gard on 2009-01-14 6:06 PM

 On the butt side, I installed 3/4" pressure treated plywood, fastened to the interior studs. The horses had been kicking this wall and damaging the steel. I did not cover the plywood with matting.

Gard

Ok - I hope I am not getting too detailed.  When you installed the plywood, did you put the wood all the way down to the frame with the floor next to the side, or did you have the plywood on top of the floor?  If the former, how much of a space did you leave between the wall/floor (if any) for drainage? 

I left a gap of about 3/4" for drainage. No caulking on the bottom. The area was pre covered with Duplicolor bed liner material.

 Did you use any type of sealant/caulking? 

I sealed the top edge using 3M 5200 marine urethane adhesive/caulking

Did you countersink the screws? 

Yes. I used stainless steel sheet metal screws

Did you paint the plywood? 

No, I used pressure treated plywood. Other than appearance, painting it was unnecessary.

Thanks for all your help  :-)

You're very welcome. Best of luck.    Gard

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muleskinner
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2009-01-15 9:23 PM (#97591 - in reply to #97439)
Subject: RE: Insulation in horse area


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Originally written by pinkmouse on 2009-01-13 3:51 PM

I will be putting rubber matting on both the head and butt sides of my trailer - currently there is nothing. The trailer is dark (charcoal gray) and noisy. Would you recommend putting foamboard type insulation (same as in the LQ section) behind the mats? I was also considering painting the roof white - it is also charcoal gray.

The ceiling needs insulation also,protects the horses heads and makes the trailer much cooler,my old silver star has ceiling and wall insulation standard
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pinkmouse
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2009-01-16 5:35 AM (#97599 - in reply to #97591)
Subject: RE: Insulation in horse area


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The ceiling needs insulation also,protects the horses heads and makes the trailer much cooler,my old silver star has ceiling and wall insulation standard

Thanks :-)

Does the insulation cover the entire ceiling - i.e. on top of the channels?  Or is it just between the channels? Is the insulation covered - if so, what is it covered with?  What type of insulation is it?

Is there a spray-on insulation that can be used by a 'non'professional'?



Edited by pinkmouse 2009-01-16 5:39 AM
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dweber2000
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2009-01-16 7:14 PM (#97652 - in reply to #97599)
Subject: RE: Insulation in horse area




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I also want to insulate the ceiling of my Sundowner and could use some advice. I am not really handy, so it will need to be simple. A friend has ceiling insulation that looks like silver covered stuff...not sure. Will be awaiting all the good advice of my Trailer Talk friends. Thanks so much. Deb
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dweber2000
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2009-01-16 7:16 PM (#97653 - in reply to #97652)
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Sorry-I meant the ceiling in my horse area. Deb
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