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aikens
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2007-05-07 8:09 AM (#60499)
Subject: value for money- 4 star vs others


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I am looking at several trailers including 4 star, elite, bloomer and cimarron. I just priced a cimarron extra tall 3 horse slant and a 4 star with a similiar configuration. The 4 star was way more money!! Is it really worth the extra $5000 over a cimarron? Is the quality that much better or is it a name thing? Is there better value or quality in the elite or bloomer? This is confusing! Help! Where is the best value:quality ratio?
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calamityj
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2007-05-07 10:23 AM (#60508 - in reply to #60499)
Subject: RE: value for money- 4 star vs others


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I think Cimmaron is actually BETTER quality than 4-star now.. Bloomer is a wonderful trailer, but very pricey... crawl under the floor of all of them and see for yourself what kind of support (stringers- 6"/8"/10"/14" or 24"?) and if it is interlocking floor on top or what? does it have welds or rivets(BAD)?You will make the right decision, just follow your gut.
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tumce
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2007-05-07 11:58 AM (#60509 - in reply to #60499)
Subject: RE: value for money- 4 star vs others


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Another brand that you may want to look at is the Stidham.  It is built similar to a Hart or a Cimmaron, but for way less money! Go to http://www.jnjconversions.com/ to see some, or http://www.stidhamtrailers.com/. Or just look on this site!

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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2007-05-07 4:34 PM (#60527 - in reply to #60499)
Subject: RE: value for money- 4 star vs others


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Unless you know exactly what your looking at and for, checking out the welds or structure won't help most people. Paying more for any trailer ( or horse, tack, whatever) solely depends on if you think its worth it. if you feel like paying another 5000 for a trailer because you think its a better unit, then fine. There is nothing wrong with that. Unless there was a huge difference in overall quality and features, I wouldn't be paying another 5 grand for the same trailer. But if i was convinced it was money well spent, then sure. But there are many personal perference factors to consider and nobody here can answer that for you.
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aikens
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2007-05-07 4:46 PM (#60528 - in reply to #60527)
Subject: RE: value for money- 4 star vs others


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Problem is I have no way of telling if the more expensive trailer is a better unit or not which is why I am asking. I don't have the knowledge to judge welding etc. They all look pretty good to me. I think the horse trailer world needs a review in consumer reports so consumers have some data to go by, not just personal testimony. Oh well.
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Lobo56
Reg. Mar 2006
Posted 2007-05-07 5:19 PM (#60529 - in reply to #60499)
Subject: RE: value for money- 4 star vs others



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I own both trailers a Cimmaron 4 horse GN & a 4 star 2 horse GN both with living spaces. The 4star is by far a better built trailer.  The aluminum welding is outstanding on the 4 star and the aluminum floor beams are spaced closer together on the 4-star.

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2007-05-07 10:28 PM (#60544 - in reply to #60529)
Subject: RE: value for money- 4 star vs others



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I just went through the same thing.  What to buy.The better names were all $60k-$70 for what I wanted.

The mid range trailers were all $40k. I know there is a difference, but is it really worth $30,000 to get a top of the line trailer?

To get a 4 Star, Platinum or Hart LQ used for $40,000 I'd have take a trailer 4-6 years old. Where I could buy a new midrange trailer for that same money. I really don't think any of the problems I'd have with a used trailer would be with the trailer but rather, the bearings, batteries, microwave, fridge tires etc.

I don't keep a trailer for a liftetime.  My needs keep changing. And I keep changing trailers every 4-5 years.

I guess if you are in the horse business and could write it off, why not. To me it's an absolute expense. So I went a mid range trailer.

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Reg
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-05-08 5:45 AM (#60551 - in reply to #60499)
Subject: RE: value for money- 4 star vs others


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Before trying to measure quality I think it is useful to first define the dimensions of quality that are important to YOU.
One example;
With some combination of the right equipment and practice it is possible to make pretty welds, or to make poor welds look pretty.
There is no point in good looking welds if the design is bad, or just unsuitable (for your intended use).

on and on,,,
Which dimensions of quality are you willing to pay how much extra for ?
If you want Walmart prices then you'll have to accept what you get.

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bowhunter70
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2007-05-08 9:29 AM (#60557 - in reply to #60499)
Subject: RE: value for money- 4 star vs others


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There is alot of markup in that 60K - 70K  trailer.There is 15 K or more profit in that trailer.Now is that fair for one sale?I know dealers that make 25K on a single sale.There is only so much you can put in the trailer like labor cost and product cost and all companies are paying in the same area for these things.All the rest is overhead and mark up
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Covert Cowboy
Reg. Mar 2007
Posted 2007-05-08 10:04 AM (#60559 - in reply to #60499)
Subject: RE: value for money- 4 star vs others


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You don't think that the less expensive brands have mark ups, too? It's all based on percentages. I will bet good money that the less expensive brands have just as margin, percentage wise, as any other brand. I've been in retail all my life... the big ticket items regardless of brand, cost, etc all have similar margins.
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jdzaharia
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2007-05-08 10:24 AM (#60561 - in reply to #60557)
Subject: RE: value for money- 4 star vs others



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Originally written by bowhunter70 on 2007-05-08 9:29 AM

There is 15 K or more profit in that trailer.Now is that fair for one sale?I know dealers that make 25K on a single sale.

Darn right, it's fair.  Capitalism.  Free-market economics.  Whatever title you want to put on it.  If somebody is willing to pay, it's fair.  What is inherently bad about profit?  If you are not willing to pay, try to talk the price down.  That's fair, too.  Shop around and arm yourself with as much bargaining power as possible.  You may get a better price than the last person that bought the same trailer.

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Consult 1
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2007-05-15 9:57 AM (#60792 - in reply to #60529)
Subject: RE: value for money- 4 star vs others


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You may want to go back to school and take a simple math and carpenter test.....the Cimarron I-beams are closer together than any 4 Star built....
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Consult 1
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2007-05-15 10:22 AM (#60794 - in reply to #60544)
Subject: Dealer Profit's


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Have you ever owned a trailer dealership?  Or have you ever managed one?  Or have you ever had a legitament business at all ?  These 3 question's are important to finding out from you why a business would have to charge normal profit margin's......business owner's and the people that work at a business have to earn a income, pay all over head - yes that include's taxes, insurance, health insurance (for employee's), utilities, finance cost(floor plan to stock trailer's for customer's to come and shop), real estate(fiscal location), ad's every month, service, parts inventory, show exspence's, etc.....  You will find that the average stocking dealer has $50,000. to 100,000.00 a month in overhead alone with total business cost of 14% on every trailer before they make a dime.....it takes cash and a lot of work (and being part crazy) to own a trailer dealership.....most dealer's net-net year end about 5%.....so when you talk about dealer's making a killing.....think about them making a nickel on every dollar going through there business....I will assure you that they aren't getting rich.  This I hope will give you a new found respect for the dealer owners and there employee's.  This reply is from experience.

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kmh
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2007-05-15 10:29 AM (#60795 - in reply to #60499)
Subject: RE: value for money- 4 star vs others


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JMHO...you get what you pay for.  I have had 3 different brand trailers and 4-Star was by far the best quality and trade in value...again, JMHO.  No flame throwers please!
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bowhunter70
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2007-05-16 12:21 PM (#60835 - in reply to #60499)
Subject: RE: value for money- 4 star vs others


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I am a dealer,I know what you mean,But to take a  $40,000.00 trailer and mark it up to over 60k.Cmon now.You know it happens
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-05-20 10:16 AM (#61031 - in reply to #60499)
Subject: RE: value for money- 4 star vs others


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You should look more at a Stidham, you can call and order directly from Robby Stidham and save yourself tons of time and money.  They make a quality trailer for an honest price.  They produced the first slant load trailer...and are still in business, that's saying a TON!  Plus they are wonderful to deal with!

For the dealers, you can control your costs(OKC you brought it up)...don't put that story on your customers.  I find the mentality of car dealerships in OK to be just as horrible, like people are too dumb to shop around?  That's why I go to Dallas to spend my dollar, it seems to go farther and people compete for my business not guilt me into their profit margin.  As far as I'm concerned you can make your profit off the next person that walks in the front door.  A quality product at a fair price will win more business than a guilt trip any day/time/place.

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