'
1
Forums Albums Skins 1
Search Register Logon


You are logged in as a guest. Logon or register an account to access more features.
OTHER FORUMS:    Barrel Horses  -   Trucks   -   Cutting  -   Reining  -   Roping 
'
F-250 Payload Question

Jump to page : 1
Now viewing page 1 [25 messages per page]
Last activity 2008-07-08 9:09 AM
13 replies, 6311 views

View previous thread :: View next thread
   General Discussion -> Trailer Talk  Click to return to Barrel Talk
Refresh
Message format
 
hhodges
Reg. Jun 2008
Posted 2008-06-28 7:42 AM (#86542)
Subject: F-250 Payload Question


Member


Posts: 9

I am in the market for a bigger trailer & have a few ??'s.  I have an '06 F-250 4X4 with the tow package.  My GCWR is 23,000.  I have looked & my truck curb weight is somewhere around 6,500 lbs (can anyone confirm this?).  The trailer I am looking at has a dry weight of 8,000 lbs & a GVWR of 16,900.  I will be up there near the 20 - 22000lb range, thus at the top of my payload capacity.  Yes, the truck is capable of doing this, but is it safe & will my truck struggle pulling this kind of load??  It is not a dually either - can I get beefier springs & rear tires to help me out?  I love the trailer & hate to pass up the deal, but I do not want tear my truck up either.  Thoughts/opinions greatly appreciated!!  Thanks!

 

HH

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2008-06-28 9:08 AM (#86545 - in reply to #86542)
Subject: RE: F-250 Payload Question


Expert


Posts: 5870
50005001001001002525
Location: western PA

I'm surprised your max combined weight is so high for a 3/4 ton. I tow 12k with a srw and have had no problems, in fact I prefer it to a dually, unlike many others.

You would have to ask yourself how much weight you will routinely carry in your trailer. If you plan to max it out, it is doubtful that your truck would be capable of those continuous loads.

You can get beefier springs, but instead of ruining your empty ride, systems like air bags or Timbrens work much better. Larger capacity tires would probably require larger diameter wheels. A complete set of wheels and tires will be expensive.

If you can realistically lower your towed weight to a maximum of 12K, your srw 3/4 ton truck will do fine with some Timbrens. I've had this combination for several years and am very satisfied.

Gard

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
hhodges
Reg. Jun 2008
Posted 2008-06-28 9:45 AM (#86548 - in reply to #86545)
Subject: RE: F-250 Payload Question


Member


Posts: 9

I will research the timbrens (never heard of them before but this is also my daily use truck & I don't want to ruin my everyday drive).  Thanks for that advice!  Any idea how much it will run me to have Timbrens installed????

I looked in the owners manuel & that's where it said my max. payload for my diesel (for gas it was 21K).  I think I could stay within the 12K limit.  With the empty trailer weight of 8K & 2 large horses (weighing a combined 3K) that still leaves me a thousand lbs for feed, hay, water, and our clothes, etc.  Hopefully the trailer weight is an accurate description.  If so I think we may be okay. 

 

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2008-06-28 5:24 PM (#86570 - in reply to #86542)
Subject: RE: F-250 Payload Question


Expert


Posts: 2953
20005001001001001002525
Location: North Carolina
So far ... None has addressed your post's title question.  Your truck's towing capability has two main components.   CGWR and the "payload"  You're doing okay with the combined weight rating.  Now you need to research your trailer's hitch weight and the load you'll have in your truck.  Timbren's and air springs do not change the tire, axles or suspension.  Ford publishes a payload number for several reasons.  You exceed them at your peril.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
hhodges
Reg. Jun 2008
Posted 2008-06-29 2:53 PM (#86629 - in reply to #86542)
Subject: RE: F-250 Payload Question


Member


Posts: 9

The max. payload capacity for my truck is 2900lbs.  Okay, so here is my math....does this sounds right???? Oh yeah, I read that in a goosenack trailer, the tongue weight should be roughly 25% of the overall total weight (this trailer is 8000lbs. so tongue weight would be 2000lbs).

Max. GVWR = 10,000

Curb weight of truck = 6400

Cargo, fuel, etc. = 700

That leaves me 2900lbs.  My tongue weight is 2000 lbs.   This sounds do-able to me......am I right????

 

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
hhodges
Reg. Jun 2008
Posted 2008-06-29 2:55 PM (#86631 - in reply to #86542)
Subject: RE: F-250 Payload Question


Member


Posts: 9

Ooooh, but my LOADED trailer will be roughly 12000 lbs so tongue weight will be 3000 lbs.  I guess that is pushing it, huh?
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2008-06-29 3:01 PM (#86632 - in reply to #86631)
Subject: RE: F-250 Payload Question


Expert


Posts: 2953
20005001001001001002525
Location: North Carolina

Originally written by hhodges on 2008-06-29 1:55 PM

Ooooh, but my LOADED trailer will be roughly 12000 lbs so tongue weight will be 3000 lbs.  I guess that is pushing it, huh?

I would agree with your reasoning.  Also consider that the hitch weight is mostly on the rear axle.  Your axles' weight rating is on the door jamb.  position of the load in the trailer and truck is critical to keeping the axle loads within their limit

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2008-06-29 3:05 PM (#86634 - in reply to #86632)
Subject: RE: F-250 Payload Question


Expert


Posts: 2953
20005001001001001002525
Location: North Carolina
Originally written by hosspuller on 2008-06-29 2:01 PM

Originally written by hhodges on 2008-06-29 1:55 PM

Ooooh, but my LOADED trailer will be roughly 12000 lbs so tongue weight will be 3000 lbs.  I guess that is pushing it, huh?

I would agree with your reasoning.  Also consider that the hitch weight is mostly on the rear axle.  Your axles' weight rating is on the door jamb.  position of the load in the trailer and truck is critical to keeping the axle loads within their limit

I would also add that being so close to the truck's limits, the only way to be safe, is to load everything up and take a trip to the truck scale. 

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2008-06-29 4:37 PM (#86643 - in reply to #86542)
Subject: RE: F-250 Payload Question



Expert


Posts: 2453
20001001001001002525
Location: Northern Utah

In order to tell you what your truck is rated for, you need to know Engine type, Short bed vs Long bed,  Cab type, 4x4 or 4x2

There is not much difference between an F250 and F350. On the truck forums, they argue if there is any difference at all.  Most of the P/Ns for Axles, bearings etc are the same regardless of which truck you buy.

The main difference I see in a F250 vs the F350 is the tires. The F250s don't always come with "E" rated tires.  So you could change out your tires from a "D" rated to a "E" rated tire to help with load capacity and not change the wheels.

Also if you look at the tire specs. You will see some  tires have higher load limits for the  "E" rating by going to a taller tire.  Make sure the rims you have are rated for the higher load capacities. Most "D" rated tires run at 65 psi and "E" rated tires run at 80 PSI.

The stock Conti 275/70/18 that my truck came with are rated at 3640 lbs per tire

A one size upgrade to Toyo 285/75/18 jumps to 4080 lbs per tire

The Toyos will fit on a 7.5-8.0-9.0 inch wheel   While the stock Contis want a 7.0-7.5-8.0 rim.  I think the stock Ford wheels are 7" wide, so you may have to go a wider wheel in order to use the bigger tire

 

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
Mini Oaks
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2008-06-29 9:34 PM (#86660 - in reply to #86542)
Subject: RE: F-250 Payload Question


Member


Posts: 32
25
Location: Louisiana
I also have an 06 F250 Crew Cab Short Bed Diesel, but 2WD. Truck has air bags which I usually run at 50 lbs PSI when GN trailer is connected. Truck curb weight with full tank of fuel and 2 adults is 7,560 lbs per truck scales. I pull a 3H w/12' living quarter trailer which weighs 13,000 lbs with 60 gals water and 1 horse. Total combined weight is in the 20,500 lb range. Hitch weight on the ball is 4,000 lbs due to the living quarters. This put the total weight on the rear truck axle at 7,000 lbs, which is 900 lbs over the rear GAWR per the door jam sticker. The bigger problem was the fact that the 2 rear LT 265/R70-17" load range E (10 ply) factory tires had a max combined capacity of 6,390 lbs. I changed the tires on the truck to Nitto Dura Grappler LT 285/R70-17" load range E which have a max capacity of 3,750 lbs each or 7,500 for the pair on the rear. I have not had any problems with pulling or the handling of this truck & trailer combination.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
Towfoo
Reg. Jan 2008
Posted 2008-06-30 6:05 AM (#86672 - in reply to #86634)
Subject: RE: F-250 Payload Question


Veteran


Posts: 296
100100252525
Location: Tennessee
I agree with hosspuller: you are going to need to weigh your truck dry to get real-world capacity figures. Published curb weights are almost meaningless because they're for a stripped down base vehicle and don't account for 4WD, trim package, cab configuration, etc.

Your achilles heel is going to be pin weight. On F250s it amost always pushes you to your truck's GVWR well before you reach the max loaded trailer weight rating.

I assume you have a 6.0L/3.73 truck. What kind of cab and trim package?
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
hhodges
Reg. Jun 2008
Posted 2008-07-08 8:16 AM (#87049 - in reply to #86542)
Subject: RE: F-250 Payload Question


Member


Posts: 9

If the hitch weight on the ball is 3000lbs, how do I determine how much total weight is on my rear axle? 

 

Okay, the front GAWR is 5600......Rear GAWR is 6100.  And I think the rim part of the sticker says 17X7.5J.  Does this mean I have a 7.5 wide rim & can go up to the Toyo tires (how much will they cost?)?  And can I just pull into a truck stop to get weighed?  Not sure how that works.  Since the trailer is at a dealer they won't just let me take it away to be weighed, but at least I can get the curb weight of my truck.  It is a crew cab with Lariat package....probably the heaviest one I can get!  Your thoughts are VERY MUCH appreciated!!!

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
Towfoo
Reg. Jan 2008
Posted 2008-07-08 8:48 AM (#87057 - in reply to #87049)
Subject: RE: F-250 Payload Question


Veteran


Posts: 296
100100252525
Location: Tennessee
Originally written by hhodges on 2008-07-08 8:16 AM

If the hitch weight on the ball is 3000lbs, how do I determine how much total weight is on my rear axle? 

 

Okay, the front GAWR is 5600......Rear GAWR is 6100.  And I think the rim part of the sticker says 17X7.5J.  Does this mean I have a 7.5 wide rim & can go up to the Toyo tires (how much will they cost?)?  And can I just pull into a truck stop to get weighed?  Not sure how that works.  Since the trailer is at a dealer they won't just let me take it away to be weighed, but at least I can get the curb weight of my truck.  It is a crew cab with Lariat package....probably the heaviest one I can get!  Your thoughts are VERY MUCH appreciated!!!



Can't help with the Toyo tire question, but yes, you can go to a CAT scales and weigh your truck. You pull in and put the front axle on one pad and the rear axle on another. Then you push a button on an intercom and tell the counter clerk to weigh you. You can get in the truck if you want, or if you already know how much you weigh, just step off the scale. The clerk will call when he/she is done to come in and get your readout, which will give you each axle weight plus the total GVW. Then you pay. I think it's $8 or $9 now.

To find the rear axle capacity, subtract the rear axle weight from the rear GAWR figure on your truck. On my '04 F250, the rear axle weighs about 2860 with me and my junk in it. It has a 6048 rating, so in theory I can put 3188 lbs of pin weight on the rear axle. HOWEVER...the front axle weighs 4600, for a total weight of 7460. Since my truck's GVWR is only 8800 lbs, there is only about 1340 lbs of weight capacity on the total vehicle. If I put a trailer with a 3000 lb pin weight on mine, I'd be overweight by at least 1600 lbs.

I'm not sure about later models, but on the '04s the only physical difference between an F250 rated 8800 lbs and an F350 rated 9900 lbs is a 2 inch thicker axle block on the F350. If your truck has a higher total GVWR than mine, you might be ok.

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2008-07-08 9:09 AM (#87062 - in reply to #87049)
Subject: RE: F-250 Payload Question


Expert


Posts: 2953
20005001001001001002525
Location: North Carolina
Originally written by hhodges on 2008-07-08 7:16 AM

And can I just pull into a truck stop to get weighed?  Not sure how that works. 

It's a simple process.  Pull on to the scales. There will be three sections. Stop with your front tires on the first section, rear tires on the second section.  If you have a trailer, the trailer tires will be on the third section.  Go to the desk inside, give them $8 or so.  They'll give you a "genuine" certificate with each axle weight. 

If people knew how easy it was to scale their rigs, more folks would do it.

 

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
Jump to page : 1
Now viewing page 1 [25 messages per page]
Jump to forum :
Search this forum
Printer friendly version
E-mail a link to this thread
Message format
 

'
Registered to: Horse Trailer World
(Delete all cookies set by this site)