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JR's Pal
Reg. Sep 2010
Posted 2010-10-09 3:23 PM (#125616)
Subject: need advice..sturdy structure & value


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Hi all, got an adequate tow vehicle this week ... previous posts on Explorer for 2 horse BP? [a no-no]& 2 vs. 4 wheel drive? [4 definitely.] So got a 2008 Expedition with 4wd and heavy tow pkg this week. Now need a trailer...Went to "what makes a good trailer." 10.3.10 Seems like sound advice. Would like to know which brands do excellent design, engineering, materials and fabrication. Don't want to disrespect brands but need to know who are leaders. Next week will buy a 2 horse PB with drop downs on headside and same or sliders on rear. Need advice on 2 things; have only web info but Blue Ribbon in aluminum and Titan in steel seem to be good values? Is this true? I am on a limited budget and haul only 3 or 4 times per year. Blue Ribbon [BR]costs twice Titan. Is this value? If so, where do I find a used BR? even Leonard seems not to have 2008 or 2009. Thank you very much for objective advice.
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2010-10-09 4:26 PM (#125621 - in reply to #125616)
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MOST(not all) 2 horse bumper pulls will last 10 years without sweat...Kingston, Kiefer, Hawk, Featherlite, Jamco, Exiss are brands that are seen all over New England...
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JR's Pal
Reg. Sep 2010
Posted 2010-10-09 4:49 PM (#125623 - in reply to #125616)
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Thank you Paul. Could you tell me which are aluminum and which are steel? Does it make much difference? My 'horse horizon' is about 10-15 years... my youngest horses are 10 & 11 years, I am 58, hubby is 74. Thanks again.
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ridingarocky
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2010-10-09 5:40 PM (#125625 - in reply to #125616)
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I feel your pain.. I just went through this a year and a half ago.... I have found 4-star, Hart, Elite, Cimarron (NOT the same as CM),and Bloomer to be among the top tier of aluminum trailers. Sooner is somewhere between the top and second rung. Featherlite are considered good also.. I see a lot of Exiss out there as well. I think they are popular because they are lighter in weight and a littler cheaper, but the few I've put my hands on felt like tin cans to me (JMHO).  For a steel trailer I have looked at D&D over and over again, and think they make a pretty good product, but steel doesn't last long in my coastal climate.  My very first trailer was a composite (steel frame aluminum skin) CM. It served it's purpose well for 6 plus years, but in addition to the steel frame rusting, I had a lot of trouble with its "aluminum" skin rotting out. The escape doors, under manger tack doors, and lastly the back (horse) doors all were replaced at least once.. the escape doors twice.  I finally sold it and bought a 2H hart BP (aluminum) after I discovered the joys of camping. It took me 2 years before i was able to get right price, right size, right weight to fit my limits, best quality and most of the desired features all int the same trailer.  i will someday buy a nice light gooseneck, but haven't found the exact right one.. You have a greater advantage because you are starting out with a tow vehicle with a good bit of "oomph".. Good luck and enjoy the ride!.

Best wishes

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JR's Pal
Reg. Sep 2010
Posted 2010-10-10 12:01 PM (#125630 - in reply to #125616)
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Hi all, Sorry that this is a continuing saga, but I did just buy a tow vehicle and am ready to select a trailer. Lots of money (for me) being spent, so I want the best value I can afford. Your input has helped me a lot.

Recap: I have 16-hand quarter horses (4) and each weight about 1450 pounds. I want to get a 2-horse slant PB. I only haul a few times per year. Am considering a Blue Ribbon SE 20 which is an all aluminum, smooth skin, 2 horse slant with 2 drop down windows at head and other windows (bus type?) at tail. My alternative choice is a Titan with similar features for $4500 less. Am now trying to see if the extra money for the Blue Ribbon is worth it.

I have been searching info trailers and found previous posts by Gard on trailer criteria helpful. I also read (several times) the review by Mr. Trailer about the Blue Ribbon Trailer, but I don’t understand enough to fully appreciate the review.

Remaining Questions:

  1. According to previous postings, there are many types of aluminum, not all are the best for trailer applications. Does Blue Ribbon Trailers use the best types of aluminum for horse trailers, including their BP?
  2. Previous post about floors say use best materials are 125", heat treated to a T-6 and made of 5xxx series aluminum for better corrosion resistance. My quote from the Blue Ribbon dealer says "Floor- 2"x4" Aluminum I-Beams on 12" centers, full length extruded aluminum tongue and groove planks." Does Blue Ribbon Trailers use the recommended 125", heat treated to a T-6 and made of 5xxx series aluminum on floors? For both GN and BP?
  3. Previous post about trailer skin says most trailers with smooth skin siding is usually .040", and held on by tape. A better way is to use extruded siding which is usually .125" and is welded to each wall stud. My Blue Ribbon quote says "Sidewall Construction- 1.25 x 2.50 Aluminum Post on 20" Centers and 1.25 x 4 Posts at Dividers on Streetside with 0.50 Smooth Skin Side Sheets." Does this mean that the skin is thinner on the streetside? Or thicker near the posts and thinner between the posts? Do you think Blue Ribbon has adequate thickness and attachment of skin?
  4. Mr. Trailer does he says the roof is one piece and every 3 inches, stainless screws attach the aluminum skin to the trailer coves and nose. I think that is good.
  5. Mr. Trailer review of the Blue Ribbon Trailer seems to indicate great engineering (strong floors, mitered corners) excellent fit and finish (by Ohio welders who are used to close tolerances required on semis.) Would others agree?
  6. Safety: Mr. Trailer review of Blue Ribbon seems to think they design and fabricate well (like the fact that any door that comes in contact with a horse is hand built with hinges welded on. There are 32 inches of welded hinges on the rear doors- more surfaces to weld on a miter joint.)
  7. More Safety: Strength from continuous welds on boomerang gussets (whatever the heck that is.) Rounded corners on running boards to protect legs of tied horses.
  8. More Safety: Mr. Trailer says Blue Ribbon uses Dexter torsion axles with 22 degrees up. The quote I got from a Blue Ribbon dealer says "Axles- EZ LUBE 3500# Rubber Torsion with Electric Brakes and Powder Coated Sub Assembly." Is this heavy duty with respect to my horse weights and trailer weight? The horses come in at 3000# total and it is very hard to find how much the Blue Ribbon SE20 weigh but a Colorado dealer lists it as 2640 pounds, so if that is correct we have 5640 pounds plus tack etc = about 6600 pounds. So the 2 axles at 3500 each should be just about right, am I getting this right?
  9. My 2008 Expedition can pull 9200 pounds with its heavy duty tow package. So that seems to have a margin of safety.

If Blue Ribbon Trailers have all the right stuff, they may be worth the extra $4500? I want this to be my 2nd and last trailer. It needs to last about 15 years. Your thoughts?

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JR's Pal
Reg. Sep 2010
Posted 2010-10-11 7:35 AM (#125642 - in reply to #125616)
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hi Ridingarocky I searched on 4Star. Cimmaron. Bloomer snd Elite and find none in several hundred miles. wouls like used if pricey...still looking. thanks for guidance.
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horsecamper
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2010-10-11 10:55 AM (#125645 - in reply to #125616)
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JR's Pal, What selection you find in trailers sort of depends on where you live. Pickin's are slim in the PNW. If you are any place east of the Rockies, in addition high end trailer brands that you mentioned, there are other high end brands like Eby, Jamco, Turnbow, Stidham, Platinum, Hart, and C&C. Keep looking on HTW. It took me a few years and I had to travel 500 miles to get it, but I finally found a trailer that met all of my specifications, including price. It's a buyer's market out there.
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SparksRFlyin
Reg. Apr 2010
Posted 2010-10-11 11:20 AM (#125647 - in reply to #125630)
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I would suggest making sure your horses will fit in a slant load before purchasing one. A straight load trailer (the type with 10' stalls, full height escape doors both sides & a dressing room, not the old-fashioned style with mangers, no storage below, no dressing room) might be a better fit for them, if your tow vehicle can handle it.
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LTT
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2010-10-11 3:41 PM (#125658 - in reply to #125616)
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LTT
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2010-10-11 3:54 PM (#125659 - in reply to #125616)
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JR's PAL,

 

I have included your post and answered some of your questions in a blue Font.

  1. According to previous postings, there are many types of aluminum, not all are the best for trailer applications. Does Blue Ribbon Trailers use the best types of aluminum for horse trailers, including their BP? Blue Ribbon uses only prime billet 6005 alloy
  2. Previous post about floors say use best materials are 125", heat treated to a T-6 and made of 5xxx series aluminum for better corrosion resistance. My quote from the Blue Ribbon dealer says "Floor- 2"x4" Aluminum I-Beams on 12" centers, full length extruded aluminum tongue and groove planks." Does Blue Ribbon Trailers use the recommended 125", heat treated to a T-6 and made of 5xxx series aluminum on floors? For both GN and BP? Blue Ribbon uses a 6005 alloy with a T-6 hardness for structural strength.  Our extruded floor had superior strength and durability over the flat sheet floor.  Flat sheet floors over the course of time will stretcha dn sag between cross memberfs causing moisture/urine to collect and corrode the floor.  We use the same floor on every bumper pull as we uses on our 40' 7 horse.
  3. Previous post about trailer skin says most trailers with smooth skin siding is usually .040", and held on by tape. A better way is to use extruded siding which is usually .125" and is welded to each wall stud. My Blue Ribbon quote says "Sidewall Construction- 1.25 x 2.50 Aluminum Post on 20" Centers and 1.25 x 4 Posts at Dividers on Streetside with 0.50 Smooth Skin Side Sheets." Does this mean that the skin is thinner on the streetside? Or thicker near the posts and thinner between the posts? Do you think Blue Ribbon has adequate thickness and attachment of skin? Blue Ribbon's Skin is thicker than the .040 skin as well as a harder alloy which is a 3004 h291 full hard sheet.   This is the same sheet used by nationally known semi trailer manufacturers.
  4. Mr. Trailer does he says the roof is one piece and every 3 inches, stainless screws attach the aluminum skin to the trailer coves and nose. I think that is good.
  5. Mr. Trailer review of the Blue Ribbon Trailer seems to indicate great engineering (strong floors, mitered corners) excellent fit and finish (by Ohio welders who are used to close tolerances required on semis.) Would others agree?
  6. Safety: Mr. Trailer review of Blue Ribbon seems to think they design and fabricate well (like the fact that any door that comes in contact with a horse is hand built with hinges welded on. There are 32 inches of welded hinges on the rear doors- more surfaces to weld on a miter joint.)
  7. More Safety: Strength from continuous welds on boomerang gussets (whatever the heck that is.) Rounded corners on running boards to protect legs of tied horses.
  8. More Safety: Mr. Trailer says Blue Ribbon uses Dexter torsion axles with 22 degrees up. The quote I got from a Blue Ribbon dealer says "Axles- EZ LUBE 3500# Rubber Torsion with Electric Brakes and Powder Coated Sub Assembly." Is this heavy duty with respect to my horse weights and trailer weight? The horses come in at 3000# total and it is very hard to find how much the Blue Ribbon SE20 weigh but a Colorado dealer lists it as 2640 pounds, so if that is correct we have 5640 pounds plus tack etc = about 6600 pounds. So the 2 axles at 3500 each should be just about right, am I getting this right? Everything you have stated here is correct - keep in mind that you also have weight transfer to the tow vehicle with between 10 and 15% of total evenly spaced load.
  9. My 2008 Expedition can pull 9200 pounds with its heavy duty tow package. So that seems to have a margin of safety.
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JR's Pal
Reg. Sep 2010
Posted 2010-10-11 8:09 PM (#125664 - in reply to #125616)
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Hi SparksRflying and LTT,Thanks for input. My "old" horses [15-25 years] will go in my little stock trailer but "young" horses [10&11]are only familiar with slant load. I am sorry to say I lack time and skills to train. Need quick fix or I worry re.transport in a medical emergency. Sparks they will fit and Blue Ribbon is 7'6" tall which is nice. LTT I think you are Leonard Truck and Trailer? thanks for very specific data. one of the things I was very impressed by is that one of the Mrs. Leonards is a structural engineer. your mom or wife? I am very close to committing to a Blue Ribbon. Are there any happy owners out there?
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Jbsny
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2010-10-12 10:29 AM (#125677 - in reply to #125616)
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If you live near Columbus, now would be the time to go and look at trailers.  The Blue Ribbons are there and I thought they were nice.. lot of features that were really nice, such as the front bulk head on the slant comes out so you have the whole trailer to use as cargo, as well. 

Jbsny

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JR's Pal
Reg. Sep 2010
Posted 2010-10-16 10:02 AM (#125826 - in reply to #125616)
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Hi Jbsny, I live in Minnesota, so Ohio is far away for me, but through the magic of the internet I found HTW, then MrTruck reviews, then Blue Ribbon trailers’ website and called them. They directed me to HoofHaulers.com a Minnesota dealer and they turned out to be less than 20 miles from my place. I went down to look at the construction and features- Very nice. We went through tech specs and then I came back to HRW for more technical details and advice. Gard (who is in my prayers – see other post) had a previous, very detailed post on tech specs and I got more inform from a MrTruck article plus input from you folks here at HTW forum. I love this site for its knowledgeable, helpful and friendly folks.

After my very careful review of structure, features and price, I decided that Blue Ribbon best fits my needs and budget. Yesterday I ordered the 2 horse, slant with drop downs and bus windows, collapsible rear saddle area and saddle rack removable to the front tack/dressing area. Then hubby and I went out to lunch to celebrate!

My trailer dealer has a huge fleet of ORT commercial trucks and a full service shop, so I can get any trailer repairs, acid washes etc. right there-- a big advantage to my way of thinking. Also the dealer is a horse family that actively shows, competes and trail rides. In fact one family member won a 1st at QH Nationals last year.  That extra depth of understanding their product is a plus in my book.

Now I am waiting 4 weeks or so for the manufacture and delivery of my trailer. I can hardly wait has my riding trail along the Minnesota River has flooded 3 times this year (likely the first time in history?) in March, June and September. So have had little riding this year- until I get my new trailer. Thanks again to everyone on this site who gave advice.    JR’s Pal

PS. Minnesota EquiFest is today and tomorrow. HoofHaulers will have Blue Ribbons on display. If you go, I’d like to hear what you think.   Thanks again!

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