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Ike
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2005-11-14 12:06 PM (#33014)
Subject: Float teeth in older horse



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I had the vet come out last week to check the teeth on my two horses. The 8 yr old had begun dropping grain and the 23 yr old was starting to balk at taking the bit. My regular vet sent his new assistant, a young lady just out of school for this procedure. She said both needed rear teeth ground down alot, so she did the procedure. Three days later the 8 yr old is fine, eating everything and no problems.  The 23 yr old is mouthing her grass and hay and dropping it in a wet wad on the ground.  She is able to "lick" grain and pellet feed from her bucket. I called the vet and they are coming back out this evening to check her. She had no problems eating grass and hay before the procedure.  What do you think may be wrong?  A friend said they took too much off the rear.....will post up after vet calls tomorrow.

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MIfarmbabe
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-11-14 6:21 PM (#33031 - in reply to #33014)
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It is possible your older horse is sore from the procedure but on the other hand there may be another problem going on other than her teeth being uneven. Maybe she has an abscess in her mouth or  a rotten tooth. 

It is good that you are having your horse rechecked and you will hopefully have some answers.

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AbbyB
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2005-11-15 7:38 AM (#33037 - in reply to #33014)
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First off, if major work was done, it should be followed w/a gram of bute BID for a few days because she will be sore.  BUT - it sounds like you had a regular vet do the teeth....& they do NOT have much training at all in dentistry in vet school (ask them how many hours were spent on dentistry while in school if you don't believe me) & IMP have NO business doing dentistry unless they have gone to dental school.  There is a vet in MO that has graduated from the Glenns Ferry, ID dental school that is very good.  Not sure if you have any other qualified vets in your area or not.  And just because a vet has purchased all the fancy equipment - including the power floats (which can overheat the teeth & also remove WAY more tooth than necessary - & once it's gone, it's gone!), does not mean they have had any more training than a wkend play party put on by the equipment's mfg'er.  I hope they are able to make her comfortable...in the future, I would try to find a dentist for the poor old girl!  There are alot of certified dentists out there & a good one will work w/your vet to do the teeth.  I hope I don't come off wrong here - I just have a MAJOR problem w/vets who think they are big time dentists & have ruined sooooo many horses' teeth due to ignorance/arrogance/lack of training.

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Ike
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2005-11-15 10:02 AM (#33045 - in reply to #33014)
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Well, when I got her out of the pasture and brought her to the barn for the vet I noticed she was grazing.  Vet asked to see her eat hay or grass and we let her pick around the barn. She ate normal...crunched with her back teeth, etc....did not spill any....so vet wanted to look anyway and we sedated her and put the jaw opener in and had a look-see. There were two small "ulcers", one on each gum between the front and rear teeth sets. I dont know if this was caused by the grinding tool used in the procedure or not. Vet said they were healing and this combined with the new feel of her rear teeth could be what caused the discomfort for a few days. He said especialy on older horses it may take a bit for them to adjust to the new feel of the teeth and that she would be fine. She has all of her teeth and they looked fine to me and the vet.  I am just glad that she is OK. Thanks for your response.....maybe this will help someone else with dental work.

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AbbyB
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2005-11-15 11:07 AM (#33048 - in reply to #33014)
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Glad she is better.  I forgot to add in the previous post that it is not unusual for a horse to "quid" (wad up the hay/grass) right after having dental work.  It does take time to adjust.  Did vet offer/suggest some bute for a couple days?  That would definitely make her more comfortable.  And one other thing that is a heads up in dental work:  there should NOT be blood during/after the work - that's a big no-no.  Curious - did you ask them how many hrs are spent on dental work/teeth in vet school?
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robdnorm
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2005-11-15 12:43 PM (#33057 - in reply to #33014)
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I noticed you are from West TN.  I am from this area as well.  Just thought I would pass along that there is a dentist in this area that does exceptional work.  He actually inspects the work of dental students to certify them.  His name is Wayne Hodge and he lives in Milan, TN.   If you ever need anymore dental work, I would give him a call.  He travels all over the Midsouth working on horses and does a thorough job.

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Montana
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2005-11-15 1:20 PM (#33060 - in reply to #33014)
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How to Safely Check Your Horse's Mouth
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Equine Dentist Spencer La Flure demonstrates how to safely check your horse's teeth and mouth, which you should do two or three times a year for most horses. Do NOT put your hand into your horse's mouth. Not only is the crushing power of the horse's jaw like a crocodile's, but you can get serious cuts, and possibly life-threatening infections, from a sharp tooth. Do NOT pull the tongue out; this can damage the delicate hyoid bone. Spencer does NOT recommend that you feel along the horse's cheeks to press even lightly against the molars. He says that although some people recommend doing this, he finds that it is not very informative, and it can be painful for the horse so you can easily get hurt. You can utilize these safer methods instead to identify if there are any problems. Any ONE of the following indicators of dental problems is a good enough reason to call an equine dentist.


Figure 1

First, ask the horse's permission. A vital prelude is to make sure he feels comfortable and safe. Then make sure he is standing square and on level ground. (Fig.1)

The following steps can be done in any order, but La Flure recommends that you begin with checking the "Front, Down, Up, Left, Right". If any of these indicate a problem, you can stop your exam, thus sparing your horse any additional discomfort.

To check the FRONT, part your horse's lips and look head-on at his incisors, the front teeth. The incisors on the left side should be the same size as the incisors on the right side. The incisor table (occlusal/biting surface) should be flat and level. Too pronounced a curve will inhibit the normal side-to-side grinding movement of the lower jaw. A slant or a wave will inhibit the proper lateral movement of the jaw and will make it difficult for the horse to flex properly while turning. Incisor malocclusion indicates he favors one side for chewing. Asymmetrical chewing is a much more negative and constant influence on his balance and flexibility than is good or bad training. (Fig. 2).


Figure 2

When the horse's head is DOWN, as if grazing, a side view of the fronts of his incisors should show the upper and lower incisors flush with each other. (Fig. 3)


Figure 3

To check UP, pick the horse's head up with one hand under his chin. From the side view, his lower incisors should be able to slide backwards 3/8 inch to a half-inch as his head comes up. (Fig. 4)


Figure 4

To check LEFT and RIGHT examine the grinding motion of the molars by "camming". Put one hand on the bottom of the lower jaw, and the other hand cupped over the horse's nose. Gently slide the lower jaw to one side, and then the other. It should slide sideways about Ð inch to 3/8 inch each way (about the width of a tooth), and beyond this point begin to separate as the jaws continue to move sideways. The resulting vertical separation of the top and bottom incisors indicates the slant of the molars as they engage. The horse should not resist this motion. And you should hear all the rear teeth making contact with a grinding sound, but not hear any teeth banging with a "clunk". The sooner the grind begins, the better. If you only hear incisors sliding like ice cubes it indicates they may be excessively long making it difficult for the rear teeth to contact. (Fig. 5)


Figure 5

Gently check each TMJ, but stand with your face and body clear in case the horse jerks his head up. First feel for heat above the skin. Then touch each TMJ gently with about 4 ounces of pressure. Feel if the horse has tight tendons and atrophied muscles. This may indicate his incisors are too long. And the excessive pressure he needs to put on his TMJ to compensate and grind can be extremely painful. (Fig. 6)


Figure 6

Put your left hand on the right-side TMJ and your right hand on left-side bar. Slide the lower jaw side to side. You should not feel any heat or clicking near the TMJ. Reverse hands (your right hand on the left-side TMJ and your left hand on the right bar) and repeat the sliding. The motion of the two sides should feel the same. Listen by the horse's nostrils as he chews. You should not hear the incisors sliding or striking, or hear the molars clunking. When only the incisors contact, the jaw feels like the front teeth slide like two ice cubes across each other.

Note how the bars feel. Are there any bumps or tears from the bit? If you find a callous along the bar where a wolf tooth is due to erupt it is a sign that the bit is painfully rubbing the gum across the unerupted tooth. Are there wrinkles or a bundled up gum in front of the first cheek teeth? These can harbor infections and are caused by poorly fitted bits and excessive pulling.

Part your horse's lips and look at his incisors from the side. Line up and compare the occlusal surface plane with the bar on that side. (Fig. 7) These should be nearly parallel - no more than 10 to 12 degrees difference. In a "parrot mouth", for example, the incisor plane slants downward (in comparison to the bar) at the fore end, and inhibits the normal forward and backward motion of the lower jaw. Therefore hooks can form more easily on the back molars of the lower jaw and the front molars of the upper jaw. An overbite, in contrast, is when the upper incisors are further forward than the lower incisors. A horse can have both a parrot mouth and an overbite.


Figure 7

Put your thumbs at the ends of the facial crest (cheekbones) one either side of the horse's face. Your thumbs should be level, of equal distance from the end of the horse's face. How well an asymmetry can be alleviated depends upon the horse's history and the cause of the asymmetry. (Fig. 8)


Figure 8

Look at the horse's ears and eyes when they are directed forward. Note if one is higher than the other. This may indicate asymmetry of the skull, eyes, and molars. Asymmetry can also cause spooking as perception of objects may be different in the field of view of each eye. (Fig. 9)


Figure 9

Check the temporalis muscles. These muscles originate by the poll, at the hole over the eye and attach to the lower jaw. They should be equally developed and lie flat and smooth. If the muscles show overdevelopment, it means the horse is doing too much upward and downward chewing, and not chewing properly side-to-side. (Fig. 10)


Figure 10

Check the masseter muscles at the cheeks for equal development and flat contour (no dips from atrophy or bumps of spasm, or scars). If the horse is chewing more with one side, one muscle will bulge compared to the other. Also look for areas of atrophy. These are most common near the TMJ, and their asymmetry is often telltale of a problem. (Fig. 11)


Figure 11

Check for unevenness in the skull. The sutures between bone plates should be flat and symmetrical. (Fig. 12)


Figure 12

On a young horse, feel for dental cysts on the underside of the lower jaw. Between the ages of 2-1/2 and 4-1/2 years old the horse sheds 24 deciduous (baby) teeth. Three to six months before the horse sheds a tooth, you can feel the new tooth growing from the cyst. The cyst should go away about 3-6 months after the baby tooth is shed. These occur in the upper jaw as well and can reduce airflow through the nasal passages. (Fig. 13)


Figure 13

Smell your horse's mouth. It should smell fresh and clean. Bad breath can indicate tooth decay, gum disease, or infection. In the younger horse, 2 to 4 years old, it can indicate a retained "cap" or baby tooth.

We would like to thank Renee Sherrard-Luther for letting us photograph her mare, Dekor's Delight, at Rolling Hills Ranch. Renee is Head Instructor of Freedom Hills Therapeutic Riding Program, Inc. in Port Deposit, Maryland; FHTRP@aol.com, 410-378-2200.

For more information:
Spencer La Flure, EqD Adv. Cert., aka "the Tooth Fairy"
Gentle Equine Dental Care, Circle L Ranch
869 High St.
Athol, NY 12810
518-623-9967

About the author: Susan Rifkin Ajamian is a freelance writer. She appreciates how much complementary therapies have helped her human and animal family.

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Ike
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2005-11-15 2:14 PM (#33074 - in reply to #33014)
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Wow Montana, Thanks for that great article. I had no idea how to check those areas.

Abby, I watched the original procedure, no blood, and no I did not ask how many hrs were spent on denistry at the school. All these vets went to Mississippi State and work in an office here which is considered one of the best in the area. We hae been very happy with their services over the years. This is the first time I've ever had a vet do a dental inspection. Usually get the farrier to do it as I suspect alot of folks do. Thank you for the advice.

Rob, do you live in Gibson or Haywood county. We sometimes ride at Friendship in the St. Jude ride....maybe we see you there next year.

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robdnorm
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2005-11-15 9:00 PM (#33084 - in reply to #33014)
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I live in Gibson.  I had thought about going to that ride last year, but ended up riding at LBL that weekend. 
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susan
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Posted 2005-11-15 9:31 PM (#33085 - in reply to #33048)
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I would like to know who the dentist is in Missouri, I have an older horse who has started balking at bits He is 17 and am not sure what kind of dental care he has had in the past I am his new owner. Let me know, I would like to contact this dentist.
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AbbyB
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2005-11-16 7:15 PM (#33146 - in reply to #33014)
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Susan, here is the info on the DVM that graduated from the dental school:

Dr. Tom Allen Horse Dentistry, Rt. 1 Box 176 E, Patterson, MO 63956 USA, Website: www.horsedentist.com - Phone: 1-888-603-5628 Email: tallen@horsedentist.com
I have heard very good things about him!

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