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Reg. May 2005
Posted 2008-03-29 7:16 AM (#80575)
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Does anybody have any experience with feeding either of these types of feed? I have concerns with NSC in my current feed and I'm going to wean them off and on to a better (safer) product.

Safe Choice by Nutrena..............Dynasty Pride by Kent
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cutter99
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2008-03-29 9:27 AM (#80578 - in reply to #80575)
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There was just an article in this months "Horse Journal" about NSC levels in feed. Safe Choice was the highest NSC out of all the products tested. It is an okay feed, but I would look for one that has a lower NSC if NSC is important to you, and is fixed formulation as opposed to variable formulation.

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-03-29 2:20 PM (#80598 - in reply to #80575)
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What is NCS?  I haven't heard/read about it.
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Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2008-03-29 3:39 PM (#80606 - in reply to #80575)
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Non-structural carbohydrate. It can be important to watch these numbers for insulin resistant horses, those with Cushings diease, or the "easy keepers". There is a lot of controversy in the feed industry about NSC numbers. They can vary from feed company to feed company and testing lab to testing lab. Pellets have lower NSC than sweet or textured feeds. Many of these horse can do just fine on a ration balancer and good quality hay.
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Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-03-29 7:20 PM (#80625 - in reply to #80575)
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I've fed the safe choice.  My horses did well on it but it is a lot more expensive here.  I was paying $8 a bag in S. Tx and it is almost $15 here so I switched to a less expensive feed.
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Lorena
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2008-03-30 8:06 AM (#80660 - in reply to #80575)
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I've fed Safe Choice for 5 years now.  I have tried others and keep coming back.  I refuse to feed sweet feed. I have had good luck with it.
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Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-03-30 12:06 PM (#80694 - in reply to #80578)
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Originally written by cutter99 on 2008-03-29 9:27 AM

There was just an article in this months "Horse Journal" about NSC levels in feed. Safe Choice was the highest NSC out of all the products tested. It is an okay feed, but I would look for one that has a lower NSC if NSC is important to you, and is fixed formulation as opposed to variable formulation.



Just curious which products did they list and what were their stated results?

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Reg. May 2005
Posted 2008-03-30 3:31 PM (#80707 - in reply to #80575)
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I ended up switching to Dynasty. I read that the NSC were 17. After reading ingredients in a handful of products and weighing out the cost, I went with Kent. It is a large chunk pellet and I read that it can help slow down the horse's rate of eating.
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Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2008-03-31 10:29 AM (#80790 - in reply to #80575)
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Nutrene products are not a LOCKED RECIPE. Kent Feed products use a LOCKED RECIPE. For that reason, I feed a Kent product.
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Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2008-03-31 10:55 AM (#80795 - in reply to #80575)
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I was mistaken. The article is in the April issue of Equus. Here are the NSCs for the six products they reviewed.

Triple Crown Low Starch      NSC 15%

Nutrena Safe Choice           NSC 21%

Buckeye Safe 'N Easy          NSC 11.9%

ADM Seniorglo                    NSC 12%

Seminole Wellness Perform Safe     NSC 9% 

Purina WellSolve L/S            NSC 11%

 



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horsecrazi
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2008-03-31 2:10 PM (#80813 - in reply to #80575)
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So is lower the # the better?
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Posted 2008-03-31 2:30 PM (#80814 - in reply to #80575)
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If you are looking for low non-structural carbohydrate, yes... BUT not every horse requires a low NSC diet. Feeding recommendations should be made to the individual horse. Many people think they have IR or Cushings horses, but do not know for sure. Most feed companies have reps who are willing to talk to owners about their individual horses needs, which is something horse owners should take advantage of. A good rep will not just recommend thier own product, but will look at the horse's total ration, including forage. A good rep will also tell you if it ain't broke, don't fix it! 

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Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2008-03-31 5:12 PM (#80829 - in reply to #80575)
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I have an extremly easy keeper. She is part draft.She is over wieght now from just hay ,and I give her 2 lbs of TDI-10 feed.(1lb twice a day) It is basically a feed that is a vit/min supplement for easy keepers.It is a pellet.Would she benefit from a feed low in this?I would suspect it is low since it is equivelent to a "lite" feed
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Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2008-04-01 8:01 AM (#80876 - in reply to #80575)
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Not necessarily. I would look into a ration balancer or a low feeding rate vitamin and mineral supplement for a horse like yours. The problem with most feeds, even pelleted, low NSC products, is these easy keeping horses need so little grain they may not be getting enough grain to meet the vitamin and mineral requirements they have. In many areas of the country, hay can be difficient of certain vitamins and minerals. Your feed or vitamin and mineral supplement should make up for what your forage is lacking. I use a product called Kauffman's Ka-HI, which I feed 1 lb per head per day with the best quality hay I can find. Horses are designed to be forage first animals and feeding good hay and less grain products works better for their digestive systems than loading them full of grain. Each horse is an individual and all aspects about them need to be taken into consideration when deciding on a feeding program- breed, sex, age, turnout, amount of work, living conditions, etc.

You have to be careful with some of the "lite" feeds as their inclusion rates can be as high as 3 lbs per day, which is alot of grain for a horse that doesn't really need it. A good ration balancer or vitamin and mineral supplement can get the same results for 1 lb per day, which saves the horse's digestive system and the owner's money!



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Ike
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2008-04-01 11:55 AM (#80891 - in reply to #80575)
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I have been feeding Nutrena SafeChoice to 4 horses for 2 years now. No problems.

They are on pasture 24-7 with round bales in the winter, and get the feed as a supplment every other day during the Summer and every day during Winter.  Amount varies with each horse depending on condition and weight.

Thanks for the info on the article though.....can always learn new stuff.

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Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2008-04-02 12:26 PM (#80962 - in reply to #80790)
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Originally written by IcePonyGoddess on 2008-03-31 10:29 AM

Nutrene products are not a LOCKED RECIPE. Kent Feed products use a LOCKED RECIPE. For that reason, I feed a Kent product.
I would love to feed Kent, but I can't find it anywhere in my area.
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Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-04-03 1:50 PM (#81056 - in reply to #80575)
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Seminole feed is also a locked feed.  They don't change it on you. I feed Seminole Calm and Cool. Great feed.  It was known as Seminole/Spillers Meadow Herb Cool Mix.  Since MARS just bought Spillers they had to change the name and added an ingredient (Ground Flax Seed).
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Posted 2008-04-03 6:00 PM (#81084 - in reply to #80575)
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 I also feed southern states legands feeds.It is a fixed formula as well.
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Reg. May 2005
Posted 2008-04-05 7:35 AM (#81234 - in reply to #80575)
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$13.60 a 50lb. bag of Kent Dynasty Pride. Nutrena was $15.00 a bag. Crap, feed is going up! Everything is going up. I just bought groceries yesterday and I was floored as to the cost. I'm putting in a small garden and I'm buying a cow.

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Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-04-05 8:13 PM (#81288 - in reply to #80575)
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I pay between 15.50 and 16.00 dollars a bag for Seminole Calm and Cool.  The thing is I don't have to feed near as much.  With 5 horses 4 bags last me 2 weeks. That's 1.43 lbs 2 times a day. Horses look great.
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horcgal
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2008-04-06 12:32 PM (#81317 - in reply to #80575)
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I feed the Nutrena safechoice, havent had any problems with it. I did notice the horses calmed down a bit when I switched to it from Purina Strategy. I liked the strategy, but they changed something because before you needed very little of it and horses would all be shiny and big like a Halter horse.....then it seemed I needed to feed more and more of it to get the same results. I talked to other people who were having the same issues and, like me, they were thinking its just them because its supposed to be a real good quality and expensive feed !

I heard a lot of good things about other feeds, but unfortunatly, in my area, you have 3 choices....Purina, Nutrena and Blue Seal. Oh, and the Agway does sell thier own stuff plus they have feed called "Legend". but I know nothing about legend.

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