That new Cherokee 6 horse head to head we bought last fall came with 235/85R-16 lrE, Uniroyal Laredo AWP's. The trailer GVWR is 15864#, the GAWR is 12168#, which is limited to the fact that each of the lrE tires are rated at 3042# at 80 psi. Trailer has 8000# axles and the 16"x6" rims are rated at 3800# each......
Anyway, I believe I would really rather have a tire that is built with a full "steel casing" like the Michelin XPS Rib or the Goodyear G614. I'm guessing that if I step up to a full steel tire, then I may as well go for a lrG or 14 ply, which is rated at 3750#. That would give me a little margin of error. Well Michelin don't build a 235/85R16 XPS Rib in a 14 ply, but the 10 ply lrE's will run $1033.00 for four mounted, balanced, put on and blown up!!! HELLO!! Then he told me the Goodyear G614's in the lrG 14 ply were..........$1200.00 for the same deal, mounted balanced, etc... It wouldn't be so bad but, the trailer along with the tires is/are new and you figure the factory engineers know what tire should be on the trailer. But I got 8000# axles with 6000# tires. Ya think the Uniroyals will hold up? I'm not one for jacking a trailer all around sideways, but at some of the show ground parking areas and at some of the fuel stops, you almost have to drag it around a little bit...(Trailer is 36' on the floor.) I have weighed the trailer empty, it's bumping the scales at 10000# now I need to weigh it loaded just as if we were heading out for a week. Most of the time we will be carrying four (1000# approx.) horses along with the cart, hay, water, feed, etc. for a week. That 6 horse trailer is going to be about maxed out with only 4 horses and the related horse stuff
I think I'm going to roll on with these Uniroyals (build date was 2207)for a while and take some temperature readings while we're out on the road. If they hold up for four or three years, then I'll look at a steel carcass tire when time to replace these.
Anyone else here running a Goodyear G614 lrG? They sure do seem mighty proud of them.
Posted 2008-02-15 4:36 PM (#76930 - in reply to #76925) Subject: RE: Tires....again
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We have had Goodyear 614 tires on all the trailers we have had with a 30' box or larger (weighing 10,500-11,000# empty-4H w/12'LQ) We have never had any problems. This was a $175/tire upgrade when we purchased.
Posted 2008-02-15 4:59 PM (#76931 - in reply to #76925) Subject: RE: Tires....again
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Yea, Gard, I got that part. It's just the fact that it is heavy, we'll be running long hauls on the interstate (500-700 miles a day), in the summer months. I'm putting three horses up front, one in the rear along with the cart, tack, hay, feed and stuff. So I got the truck loaded pretty good. The trailer axles are way forward on this trailer (no wheel wells in the rear stalls). The axles are sitting about like the ones on this Kiefer 6H2H. http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/home/trailerdetail.asp?ID=146194
I don't know, maybe I'm worrying too much about something that's not even a problem.....YET!! Just feel like the trailer should have come with a little heavier tire. Either 16" load range G's or shod the trailer with 17.5's. My hay-equipment trailer has 8000# axles with 215/75-17.5 lrH tires (17800# GVWR). They are rated at 4808#, way too much for this horse trailer but those tires are cheaper than the Goodyear 235/85-16 lrG, 3750#, G614's. Just hate to spend $1200.00+ on tires, on a new trailer, that has new tires, unnecessaryly, just so I can sleep!!
Posted 2008-02-16 2:54 AM (#76956 - in reply to #76925) Subject: RE: Tires....again
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N2ridin, I did know what was on the trailer. It's just that I've had time to study about it and the tires are probably OK. But there's not much of a margin of safety as I would normally be accustomed to. AND, I can't get over the price of these new 16" Michelin XPS Rib and Goodyear G614 tires!!!
Posted 2008-02-16 3:48 AM (#76958 - in reply to #76925) Subject: RE: Tires....again
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Have you looked at Denman Express ST tires in that size? They have a 10 ply steel radial rated 3640 lb @ 80 psi. A little hard to find but I've heard only positive feedback from folks who've used them.
Posted 2008-02-16 8:13 AM (#76961 - in reply to #76925) Subject: RE: Tires....again
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I've seen the Denman S T Express Radial. I got a set of bias, Denman 7.00x15 lrD's on a 12' steel stock trailer. The tires are 5 years old, no cracks and no splitting and they are under a shelted with hardly any miles, they still look new. I ran a set of 35-13.50x16.5 Denman "Ground Hawgs" back in the late 70's and early 80's on my K20 pickup. But....Something tells me not to fool with them (Denman) on this trailer. Can't find anything about how they are constructed, other than "made in Mexico". I don't think there's enough of them out there being used for anyone to post any valid reviews. Do they have steel sidewalls? Are they speed rated at 65 mph? Need to find someone that's using them on an old flat bed trailer, hauling scrap metal to the junk yard, that'll tell how tough they are!!
Posted 2008-02-16 9:20 AM (#76970 - in reply to #76925) Subject: RE: Tires....again
Location: Texas
Retento, I can't tell you whether you need to change the tires out or not, but I can tell you what I've learned the hard way about "G" rated tires, and that is that there are no cheap substitutes. I've put a lot of miles on 614's and their predecesor the 159 and they will stand up to the load, speed, heat and wear, but they are EXPENSIVE. I could never seem to find them under about $325 per tire. I tried some of the Chinese tires and had no luck, just wasted the money I should have spent on the Goodyears. I'm now running the Goodyear 17.5 H rated tires and so far so good. I bought an extra spare and it was a little cheaper than the last 614 G I bought. If I had the new trailer with the new tires, I'd probably run them until I knew what my weight was, and if I consistently overloaded them I would change, but not just for short hops or the occassional slight overload, unless I could find somebody that could use the 10 ply tires and would pay a decent price for them, then I would upgrade. That is just my opinion, not based on any science, just a lot of hard miles.
Posted 2008-02-16 10:34 AM (#76975 - in reply to #76930) Subject: RE: Tires....again
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Originally written by Duckman on 2008-02-15 5:36 PM
We have had Goodyear 614 tires on all the trailers we have had with a 30' box or larger (weighing 10,500-11,000# empty-4H w/12'LQ) We have never had any problems. This was a $175/tire upgrade when we purchased.
I take it they UPGRADED your rims at the same time...
Posted 2008-02-16 10:39 AM (#76976 - in reply to #76925) Subject: RE: Tires....again
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Originally written by retento on 2008-02-15 3:19 PM
That new Cherokee 6 horse head to head we bought last fall came with 235/85R-16 lrE, Uniroyal Laredo AWP's. The trailer GVWR is 15864#, the GAWR is 12168#, which is limited to the fact that each of the lrE tires are rated at 3042# at 80 psi. Trailer has 8000# axles and the 16"x6" rims are rated at 3800# each......
Anyway, I believe I would really rather have a tire that is built with a full "steel casing" like the Michelin XPS Rib or the Goodyear G614. I'm guessing that if I step up to a full steel tire, then I may as well go for a lrG or 14 ply, which is rated at 3750#. That would give me a little margin of error. Well Michelin don't build a 235/85R16 XPS Rib in a 14 ply, but the 10 ply lrE's will run $1033.00 for four mounted, balanced, put on and blown up!!! HELLO!! Then he told me the Goodyear G614's in the lrG 14 ply were..........$1200.00 for the same deal, mounted balanced, etc... It wouldn't be so bad but, the trailer along with the tires is/are new and you figure the factory engineers know what tire should be on the trailer. But I got 8000# axles with 6000# tires. Ya think the Uniroyals will hold up? I'm not one for jacking a trailer all around sideways, but at some of the show ground parking areas and at some of the fuel stops, you almost have to drag it around a little bit...(Trailer is 36' on the floor.) I have weighed the trailer empty, it's bumping the scales at 10000# now I need to weigh it loaded just as if we were heading out for a week. Most of the time we will be carrying four (1000# approx.) horses along with the cart, hay, water, feed, etc. for a week. That 6 horse trailer is going to be about maxed out with only 4 horses and the related horse stuff
I think I'm going to roll on with these Uniroyals (build date was 2207)for a while and take some temperature readings while we're out on the road. If they hold up for four or three years, then I'll look at a steel carcass tire when time to replace these.
Anyone else here running a Goodyear G614 lrG? They sure do seem mighty proud of them.
If you go with the G614RSTs...you will need NEW rims...rated for 110 psi
And yes...they are worth the money...peace of mind is priceless...
Posted 2008-02-16 11:09 AM (#76979 - in reply to #76925) Subject: RE: Tires....again
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Paul, the rims are on the trailer with the screw in/bolt on chrome valve stems. Rated for 3800#
Tx. I hear what your saying. My 17.5 (4808#) tires on the equipment trailer are cheaper than the G614's (3750#). We got to run down to Jacksonville, Fl. in a couple weeks. I-95 through parts of South Carolina are about as rough as you'll find anywhere. I'll weigh the trailer axles loaded and take some temp readings on the way. Taking these tire temp readings is a good way to tell if you got your trailer running level with these torsion axles. Axle with the most weight will likely be the one with the hotter tires.
Posted 2008-02-16 12:17 PM (#76980 - in reply to #76925) Subject: RE: Tires....again
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retento, I wouldn't replace the Uniroyals with another 10 ply tire the Uniroyals are a good tire and of all the Cherokees I've sold I've never had a problem with the Uniroyal tires. However according to my Cherokee book that trailer comes with 7200 lb axles and 14 ply tires if your trailer has 10 ply tires I would contact the dealer you bought it from and check with him, but the 2008 models come with the 14 ply tires.
Posted 2008-02-16 12:28 PM (#76981 - in reply to #76980) Subject: RE: Tires....again
Location: Texas
Dixie- what brand of 14 ply tires are ya'll putting on the new trailers? It doesn't sound right that they would put 10 ply tires on the higher rated rims and 8000# axles. Could be a mistake and they would swap out the tires for Retento.
Posted 2008-02-16 12:39 PM (#76982 - in reply to #76925) Subject: RE: Tires....again
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According to the build/spec sheet, the trailer has 8000# axles. The hubs are alot largerthan another trailer I have that has 7000# axles. The 8000# axle also has 9/16" studs like that of the 7000# axle. Looks like someone just put the 10 ply on because that's what they had that would fit at the moment. Trailer was built September 21, 2007. It's titled as a 2008 model.
Serial #5PRHG352980002222
Axle capacity 2@ 8000
Rims 6 x 16 JJ
Tires LT 235/85R16 (E)
GVWR 15639#
GAWR 12168# (all axles)
Maybe they (Welchel Enterprises) don't want anymore than 12168# back on those axles, maybe the trailer structure couldn't take much more than that.....Go figure..
Posted 2008-03-03 9:39 AM (#78540 - in reply to #76925) Subject: RE: Tires....again
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Posts: 3802 Location: Rocky Mount N.C.
GOOD NEWS!!! Our friend "Dixie" of "Dixie Riggin' Trailer Sales" over in Kentucky, read this post and seen I was having questions about the 10 ply tires on such a large trailer. He, being a Cherokee dealer, contacted Cherokee Trailers and told them about the new 6 horse H2H with 10 ply tires. Late that same afternoon I got a call from Cherokee Trailers, asking me some questions about the trailer and the tires. I was told that the trailer should have never left their yard with the 10 ply Uniroyal tires. The trailer has the correct rims/wheels, just the wrong tires. Not sure if the trailer was ordered that way, or if it just happened to slip by someone at the plant. But, the trailer should have had 14 ply, lrG, Goodyear G614 RST tires. A few days later Mr. Tom Welchel, of Cherokee called me and said for me to contact my tire dealer, that I normally use. Have them install five new, G614's and sent the Uniroyals back to the Cherokee factory. I carried the trailer to White's Tire here in Rocky Mount N.C. and they handled the transaction.
Thanks again to "Dixie", of Dixie Riggin' for getting the ball rollin'!
Thanks to Mr. Tom Welchel, of Welchel Enterprises (Cherokee Trailers) for making good on his promise!
Thanks to all that sent me P.M.'s suggesting, what I should do!!
And thanks to Dave and "HTW" for giving us a place to exchange information, ideas, and a place to whine and complain, so that others can help make it all GOOD!
Posted 2008-03-03 5:37 PM (#78565 - in reply to #76925) Subject: RE: Tires....again
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It appears that the best of human nature paid you in spades. I'm glad that your outcome was correct, and that the people who stepped up to help were successful.
I keep hearing about the generosity and good will shown by your Southern dealers. I wish there were someone like them in our area. We are handicapped by dealers who overprice their products, service and repairs. Trying to ask a question or research a problem without a green palm, only results in condescending remarks. Their attitudes are, that we the customer, owe them something because they are the only game in town. Not this guy and not my money
I hope you and your new trailer share many pleasant and eventful experiences.
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