Posted 2007-11-09 5:30 AM (#70744) Subject: Gas or Diesel
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How many of you tow with a Gasoline powered 250/2500 or 350/3500 truck? Do you have a small V8 (5.7 hemi, 6.0 GM, 5.4 Ford) or the large V8/V10 engines (8.1 GM V8, 6.8 Ford V10, Dodge 8.0 V10)? Does it have an automatic or manual transmission? If you had to buy a truck today, would you buy a Gasoline powered truck or switch to Diesel? Not trying to start a "mine is bigger than yours thread", just wondering what others think or have experienced and what they are pulling with their "GASSER"!
Myself, I would switch to Diesel. The 8.1 big block GM is not offered in the 2500/3500 trucks anymore, if it were, I would be hard pressed not to stick with the 8.1/Allison combo, hey it works for me. The 8.1 is still offered in the 4500-8500 chassis. I don't think the 6.0 GM gasser mated with the new 6 speed automatic would get the job done....At least not in my situation.
Posted 2007-11-09 7:18 AM (#70749 - in reply to #70744) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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Going to attempt to pull a Cherokee Super Chief, 35' on the floor, 43" total length, 6 horse head to head. First thing I got to do is weigh this trailer, dealer said it weighs around 7500#, The Cherokee folks say it tips the scale at 9660#. The trusty scale at Wilson County Farm Supply will tell the correct weight, no guessing. What's your truck rated to tow so far as fifth wheel towing? My 2001 3500 is rated to tow a 15,000# gooseneck/fifth wheel. It's rated at 22,500# GCVWR. Was wondering what the new 6.0/6 speed auto is rated at. I know my 8.1 don't pull nothing like the newer Diesels, and I don't believe the 6.0 with approx. 100# less engine torque is going to pull with the 8.1, unless that new 6 speed auto (not an Allison) has some sort of magical powers! I believe that extra gear (6th) is an extra overdrive, nothing extra down in the 2-3-4 area, when you are trying to get the load moving. I think my old truck will do just fine, was just wondering what and how much others are pulling with a big GASOLINE, automatic truck.
giddyupmatt, that GMC is a much nicer looking truck than the new Chevy, that's a good lookin ride!
Posted 2007-11-09 7:41 AM (#70750 - in reply to #70744) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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We have a 2001 Chevy 3500 DRW with 8.1 and pull a 3 horse 4-Star with 12' LQ and mid-tack. We opted not to buy a diesel at the time because we had two of them before, both Fords, and were tired of having the high cost maintenance (oil and filters) plus the starting issues when temps dropped below 20 degrees. Get around 9 mpg pulling loaded. Never checked unloaded as we don't use it for anything except pulling. I can get the full service thingy done for $29 vs the $50 that it used to cost back in 2001, so I can imagine what it would cost now. For me, the 8.1 with the Allison works great. (33,000 miles so far).
Posted 2007-11-09 8:02 AM (#70751 - in reply to #70744) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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We have an 02 Dodge 2500 with the 5.8 gas, auto, and the 3.73 (?) gears. It worked hard with our old 3h steel (6500# empty) but it pulls our new 4h alum (4400#) just fine. In either case, I wasn't out to win any races pulling either trailer. But at 60 mph, you don't know either is back there. Also take into consideration where I'm from - WI - and hills are not much of a concern around here. The biggest hills I contend with are the on/off ramps to the interstate.
Posted 2007-11-09 8:09 AM (#70752 - in reply to #70749) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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Originally written by retento on 2007-11-09 7:18 AM
dealer said it weighs around 7500#, The Cherokee folks say it tips the scale at 9660#.
I know you said you were going to weigh it anyway, but I don't think there is any way a 6H head to head could weigh 7500. The other figure sounds spot on to me.
Posted 2007-11-09 9:07 AM (#70758 - in reply to #70744) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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After owning a gas Ford and wanting to upgrade to GN LQ trailers, we bought a diesel. This is a tow/carry truck, not a daily driver. We have many hills in our area, and with the cruise and air on we can go over the top of most in OD.
If it were a daily transportation I would consider a v-10, but for our usage it's perfect. Would only replace it with something similar
Posted 2007-11-09 9:16 AM (#70760 - in reply to #70744) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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I have a 3H Slant Load Exiss 300.Fully loaded with 60 Gallons of water, generator, 10 gallons of gasoline, full tank of diesel, 4 bails of hay, 3 sacks of feed, and 4 passengers and with my ’06 Dodge 3500 DRW 6Spd Manual transmission I definitely never feel it back there.In 6th gear on the freeway if I have to pass someone it is done with ease and I have never had to down shift.I live and play around the Houston, Sealy, Bellville area so there are no real hills or grades to over come but I feel you couldn’t go wrong with this truck.I get about 14 to 16 MPG w/ trailer loaded and doing about 55 to 65.
A friend of mine has a 5H slant load steel trailer that he pulls with the same type truck and experiences the same ease of hauling that hunk of steel around.I don’t know what his MPG is but, says he never has a problem pulling it.In my opinion I would have to say diesel.They were built to pull and haul.Ultimately though it boils down to your own preference and financial situation.
Posted 2007-11-09 9:59 AM (#70763 - in reply to #70744) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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Hello all,
I have an 06 DRW Crew Cab Ford with the 6.0 in it and the 4.10 rear end. What a pulling machine. I pull an 05 2 Horse Elite with 15' LQ. With 6 Bales of hay, 40 gallons of water 2 horses, bag of feed, and all the tack needed to start a little store, the whole rig ways quite a bit. However we are less than 26,000#. Driving 2000 RPM's (63 mph) I get 11 - 13 mpg. I only have 15, 000 miles on the vehicle and have notivced the milage starting to creep up. In the last 4000 miles I have gained almost a 1 mpg increase. I love the diesels, they are pulling machines.
Posted 2007-11-09 11:01 AM (#70767 - in reply to #70744) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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I went from an 03 Ford F250 Crew 5.4L to a 06 F250 SD ext cab 6.0 I have a Exiss 2 h sl lq carry a 65 gal water tank,gen,hay,2horses,and gear for 2. Love the pulling power this truck has. You don't even know the trailer is back there. I also love the tow/haul systems. Just wish the fuel bill wasn't so damn high.....I won't go back to a gas engine....
Posted 2007-11-09 11:40 AM (#70768 - in reply to #70744) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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We used to have a 99 Ford V-10 gasser and switched to a 2003 Dodge diesel. The Ford pulled the trailer we used to have good but with the automatic you had to lock out the overdrive and turn high rpms. Also with the short box you only got a 27 gal gas tank and with getting 7 mpg you didnt get far before you had to start looking for the next station. With the Dodge I got a 6 speed and like it better in the hills, not always shifting up and down. When we went to a bigger trailer I was glad to have the diesel. I think you have to balance out your needs against the higher cost of the diesel. If you only put on a few miles each year the gasser would be cheaper. Our current trailer with horses and hay weighs 16000 lbs and I have pulled it out west in the mountains with no problems.
Posted 2007-11-09 12:00 PM (#70769 - in reply to #70744) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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That's another mark for the dodge 6 Spd manual Trany and the Cummins Engines. You just have to start thinking about the hills and how much strain is put on an automatic trany being required to continuously shift up and down.
Posted 2007-11-09 12:09 PM (#70770 - in reply to #70769) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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Originally written by goreje on 2007-11-09 12:00 PM
That's another mark for the dodge 6 Spd manual Trany and the Cummins Engines. You just have to start thinking about the hills and how much strain is put on an automatic trany being required to continuously shift up and down.
I ran an 04' up and down these Kentucky hills with an automatic for 96,000 miles with not one problem out of Dodges automatic tranny. Only problem I had with the Dodge was it was too tall.
Posted 2007-11-09 12:34 PM (#70771 - in reply to #70744) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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Not against automatic at all.Just want to make that aware.I just wanted the thought out there.The automatic does a lot more shifting that if you had a manual and were controlling the shift patterns.I do have to say though that it is good to hear that the 04 trany lasted as long as it did. I knew several people me included that ran into real problems with these.The problem could have been limited to just those few and that my truck and a friend of mine’s truck were both gas and ½ ton (though I did trade it in on the truck I have now with the odometer read just over 188,000 miles without doing any trany work).The problems I would have is it would feel like something skipped.I replaced u-joints, rear bearings, and check gears to see if there was any wear or chipped teeth and found nothing nor did replacing any of that fix the problem so I let it go and like I said I turned it lose with 188,000 miles.I honestly never heard anything for the diesel and/or ¾ ton and higher because at that time I was not hauling trailers it was a “to and from work” truck.
Posted 2007-11-09 7:38 PM (#70807 - in reply to #70744) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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I pull with a GMC 8.1 gas, towing a 22 foot Merhow 2 horse with 11 ft short wall. Love it. Have pulled the mountains in Colorado, and to Arizona down to Phoenix from Flagstaff and back up, loaded with 60 gal of water, generator and 8 bales of hay. Never had a problem. I am wondering what I will do for the next truck since GMC is not making this engine..... but hey in 4 years, none of us may be going anywhere with the cost of gas.....
Posted 2007-11-10 12:23 PM (#70837 - in reply to #70744) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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We have a 05 one ton dodge dually 6 speed and pull a 4 horse lq 37ft box loaded. Truck pulls like a dream. Havent had it in the mountains yet but anxious to see how it does next year. We had a exhaust brake put on it last year when we pulling our smaller lq trailer.
Posted 2007-11-11 7:14 AM (#70878 - in reply to #70744) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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Have been up and down the scale, from 454 manual with 4.10 rear end to 3'4 ton 350 4wd with 3.73 manual, now with a 7.3L auto with 4.10 rear end. 2000 Ford 4wd(had the problematic tranny, replaced with upgraded heavier at 140000 miles) added an Edge program and Scorpion engine brake, and it walks the dog. The passes in CO are not an issue, it never runs hot when idling in our hot southern climate, and the engine brake is great for the long downhills in the West. Gets 22 mph unloaded highway, about 14 loaded heavy in the mountains. Pulls a gooseneck trailer with cattle, and a 32' aluminum with 10' LQ with generator, hayrack, hay, 70 gals water and 20 gal gas in the onboard generator tank. Truck, trailer, 3 head, etc, between 23000lb and 24000lb loaded. Also added guages for exhaust temps, tranny temps, and boost pressure. Next truck will also be diesel. We do pull a lot of hills and those 12 mile 6% climbs at altitude are one of the things we have to consider.
Posted 2007-11-11 11:47 AM (#70888 - in reply to #70744) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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We are going on our third diesel pickup. After purchasing the first one, we said we would never be buying another gas pickup again. Just can't beat them for pulling. When hubby drives the speed limit we actually get pretty good fuel mileage even loaded.
Posted 2007-11-11 12:09 PM (#70890 - in reply to #70888) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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When hubby drives the speed limit we actually get pretty good fuel mileage even loaded.
That is my problem too. My husband doens't like it when I drive because I only do between 60-65 when towing. BUT I don't use as much fuel as he does and with current prices..... Guess who doesn't drive my truck anymore!!
Gotta find the trucks "sweet speed" and just go with it.
Posted 2007-11-14 10:41 PM (#71228 - in reply to #70818) Subject: RE: Gas or Diesel
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Originally written by osue077 on 2007-11-10 2:27 AM
Had both, and prefer the diesel. MPG is way better loaded and empty and at elevation, not as much of a loss in power.
Here in Texas - where you can drive for 12 hours and still be in the same state - I prefer a diesel for fuel mileage. My o4 Dodge HO Cummins gets 16.5 (IF I keep my foot out of it) pulling and their Hemi *might* get 11!