Posted 2007-07-24 2:12 PM (#64336) Subject: hematoma from kick
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Location: Vernon, FL
my horse has a large hematoma on upper hind leg that will not go away. (It's been 5 months) I does not seem to hurt or impare his riding but it's very hard and he looks deformed. Has anyone had anything like this. Does it ever go away?
Posted 2007-07-24 5:52 PM (#64345 - in reply to #64336) Subject: RE: hematoma from kick
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Posts: 1989 Location: South Central OK
Water massage can help but you might have scar tissue and that will need to be surgically removed. I'd ask your local trusted equine vet. You'll need to know what exactly is inside the swelling to know how to reduce it. (I lance almost all of these to speed healing.)
Posted 2007-07-24 6:41 PM (#64348 - in reply to #64336) Subject: RE: hematoma from kick
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Posts: 378 Location: Nebraska
If it is hard I would suspect an abcess, but the only way to find out is lance it. Before you lance it get a mild iodine srcub solution and a syringe to flush out the area after you drain it. If the area is big it may need to be packed to help with the healing. If your are not sure how to do this I would get a vet.
Posted 2007-07-25 9:46 AM (#64374 - in reply to #64336) Subject: RE: hematoma from kick
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Posts: 781 Location: La Cygne, KS
Most likely scar tissue has developed. This should not interfere with movement of your horse and you should not have any lameness since it has been 5 months since the injury occured. It will just be a cosmetic issue. My 19 year-old QH mare has two of them on her hip and my friends 29 year-old Arab has one on his gaskin. Since it has been 5 months, I would guess it is going to be a permanent lump. Just make sure there is no heat at all in the muscle area, if there is call your vet as infection maybe between the mucsle and mucsle sheath (which is most likely wear the tear has occured).
Posted 2007-07-25 4:30 PM (#64397 - in reply to #64336) Subject: RE: hematoma from kick
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Posts: 209 Location: pensacola, fl
I have the same problem with my mare. The vet told me that sometimes the lining of the muscle gets torn and allows the muscle to protrude,this doesnot effect the muscle other than the lining is not holding it in place. In my mares case it will never heal, it doesn't cause her any discomfort so I don't worry much about it.
Just for the sake of trying, I would try some DMSO this product takes the fluid from the hemetoma and sends it back into the body, you just rub it on, but make sure you wear gloves. You can get it at your local feed/tack store.
But, it never hurts to call your vet and get their opinion.
Posted 2007-07-25 11:17 PM (#64421 - in reply to #64397) Subject: RE: hematoma from kick
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Posts: 1989 Location: South Central OK
Monsterhorse, I'm going to go against your advice about using DMSO. It can be a very harmful compound in the wrong hands(for both user and equine) and it alone will not treat this condition. I can safely say as both an equestrain and a chemist there are much more user friendly topical treatments that have a larger margin of error and are proven to work.
DMSO shouldn't be used unless you have experience with the chemical application, use and side effects. This chemical transports other medications through the skin and into tissues both helpful and harmful. Using it alone has not been clinically proven to do anything. I have taken a relevant clip from Canada's national health website. http://www.dnd.ca/health/services/health_promotion/Engraph/factsheet_dmso_e.asp
What are the major concerns with DMSO use? There are a number of significant concerns with regard to DMSO use:
1. DMSO has not undergone the rigorous clinical testing that is required to establish if and how it may be safely used; if there are any health consequences from its prolonged use and how it interacts with other medications. We also do not know how it may affect children, the elderly, people with specific medical problems and woman who are pregnant or breast feeding. Without this basic research, it is uncertain if DMSO's potential benefits out weight the potential harm it may cause.
2. DMSO is an excellent solvent and as such is very rapidly absorbed across the skin. As a solvent it is also able to dissolve a wide spectrum of compounds and carry them across the skin and deposit them into the body. This would include such things as the insect repellent you apply to your skin. This can have potentially serious consequences if the dissolved compounds happened to be highly toxic substances such a pesticides.
3. DMSO is made in three different grades - industrial, veterinary and medical. Medical grade DMSO is the highest quality and should be free of all contaminants. Industrial grade DMSO is not intended for human use and may contain many contaminants - some of which could cause serious side effects in people. The companies that produce industrial grade DMSO often use the same equipment to produce toxic substances such as pesticides and so contamination is inevitable. Unfortunately, much of the DMSO sold on the black market is industrial grade and could cause serious short and long-term problems in its users.
4. Manufacturers can use the solvent properties of DMSO to carry other medications across your skin. Some of these substances include such things as anti-inflammatories and corticosteroids. Some manufacturers may not list these substances on the DMSO container hoping that the therapeutic effect they create will be attributed exclusively to the DMSO and so boost product sales. People who are allergic to these "Hidden" substances could experience serious reactions.
The bottom line! DMSO is a product that has not undergone the rigorous scientific testing required to ensure that it actually works for certain medical conditions and that it is safe for short and long-term use by patients. In Canada, DMSO is currently only approved for a few very select chronic genitourinary conditions and is only available through prescription. Individuals who obtain DMSO from sources other than their pharmacy cannot be certain of the quality of the product they are using and it may contain additional medications or contaminants that could cause serious side effects. Despite the above, many Canadians continue to place themselves at potential risk by using DMSO for a wide variety of medical conditions, even though there is little or no scientific evidence that DMSO is effective in treating these conditions.
D. Menard MD Dip Sport Med Sport Medicine Consultant DCOS Force Health Protection
Posted 2007-07-29 2:14 PM (#64578 - in reply to #64336) Subject: RE: hematoma from kick
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Posts: 209 Location: pensacola, fl
Huntseat,
Thanks for the article, it's always nice to learn something new. I use to work for a small animal vet and we used DMSO after surgery when an animal developed a hemetoma at the surgery site, or we would use it when we gave injections and the animal developed a hemetoma. I knew that it was dangerous in the wrong hands. Which is one reason in my post I reccommended using gloves.
My equine vet mixed it with Furoazone dressing for me to use on one of my horses, (for a snake bite) & again when my mare developed this hemetoma.I was not particularly happy about using it, since the Furazone said it had been linked to tumors in Lab mice.
Once again, thanks for the info.