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Lynn0202
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2007-01-24 11:49 AM (#54417)
Subject: GMC2500HD with Bison 8'LQ



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My husband and I are looking at getting our first LQ trailer in the next 6 months, maybe sooner, and have been looking around. Really wanting to by from Dixie Horse & Mule Co, I found a Bison 3 horse with 8' LQ rated empty at 8420lbs. According to research I've done the on the truck (which is a 2001 with 6.0) should be able to handle the load although I'm getting mixed figures on the towing capacity available. Since we are already planning to add a Timbren kit and some engine adjustments (something to do with the air filter, spark plug upgrade and something else?? don't know the specifics although I'm sure the hubby explained it to me in great detail), the main concern being voiced to me now is wear on the engine if we do a lot of riding in the mountains.

What do you guys think?

Thanks for your input. Renee

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bechack
Reg. Mar 2006
Posted 2007-01-24 1:07 PM (#54419 - in reply to #54417)
Subject: RE: GMC2500HD with Bison 8'LQ


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What is your truck rated to pull? Before and after the upgrade.

When driving in the mountains, do you plan to drive maxed out or conservitivly? I am pretty conservative and don't ask my truck to work too hard. I don't try to go 65 up long grades, etc.

have you estimated your total LOADED weight?

ps....I love my Bison.

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Lynn0202
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2007-01-24 1:20 PM (#54420 - in reply to #54419)
Subject: RE: GMC2500HD with Bison 8'LQ



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Bechack - I'm getting mixed numbers on what the tow capacity is on the truck. Some say 10,500 (in which case I'd be way over) while others say 15,600.

We always drive conservatively with the horses regardless of the terrain and I've estimated our loaded weight to be 12000 or 12500 on the high side. We are doing weekend rides with rare 4 day trips. The only one we're sure to do for that long is to Benson, NC for Mule Days.

Thanks for your input. I'm really looking forward to my new trailer and with all the great things I've heard about Dixie and Don, I feel like I'm in good hands. I just hope I don't have to buy a new truck for a couple years.

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JStrause
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2007-01-24 2:20 PM (#54423 - in reply to #54417)
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There is no way you are at 15,600. I would say you would be close to the 10,500 number. For example I have a 2006 Dodge 3500 dually, and the tow rating on it is 15,600. So there's no way a 3/4 ton single rear wheel can be rated as high as a 1 ton dually.

I would say, you might be able to pull the load with airbags added to the truck in light duty (non aggressive) driving. Are you going to be exceeding the capacity of the truck? Yes, I can guarantee you even if you squeek under the tow rating, you will be over the gross vehicle weight with the pin weight of an 8 ft. LQ. I would definitely upgrade trucks if I were you.

John
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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-01-24 4:53 PM (#54428 - in reply to #54417)
Subject: RE: GMC2500HD with Bison 8'LQ


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Originally written by Lynn0202 on 2007-01-24 10:49 AM

 I found a Bison 3 horse with 8' LQ rated empty at 8420lbs. According to research I've done the on the truck (which is a 2001 with 6.0) should be able to handle the load although I'm getting mixed figures on the towing capacity available. .

What do you guys think?

Thanks for your input. Renee

What kind of mixed towing figures and who is the source?

I have a GM 2001 trailering guide(9/2001 edition) in front of me as I type.  Depending on your cab configuration and 2 or 4wd your max trailer weight is between 10.5k or 9.7 k lbs.  All require the 4.10 axle.  Your hitch weight can be up to 3,000 lbs if the weight doesn't cause the rear axle to exceed its rating. (this will depend on where you locate the hitch pin)

Only the 8.1L and Duramax are rated higher.

I think you're going to be under trucked for the Bison.

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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2007-01-24 5:05 PM (#54430 - in reply to #54423)
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Originally written by JStrause on 2007-01-24 3:20 PM

 So there's no way a 3/4 ton single rear wheel can be rated as high as a 1 ton dually. I would say, you might be able to pull the load with airbags added to the truck in light duty (non aggressive) driving.

 

wrong.   nearly EVERY 3/4 ton srw has a higher trailer rating, given the same powertrain, as a dually.  the max trailer = gcwr - the truck weight.  since a dually weighs more, and a gcwr is set for a powertrain, that comes out of the max trailer weight.  i do like the comment about "non agressive driving" though,  guess you get to drive agressive with your dually?

 as already mentioned the 10k is for the 6.0 and the 15k is for the dmax and big block.

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JStrause
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2007-01-24 8:29 PM (#54445 - in reply to #54430)
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Originally written by chadsalt on 2007-01-24 5:05 PM

nearly EVERY 3/4 ton srw has a higher trailer rating, given the same powertrain, as a dually.  the max trailer = gcwr - the truck weight.  since a dually weighs more, and a gcwr is set for a powertrain, that comes out of the max trailer weight.  i do like the comment about "non agressive driving" though,  guess you get to drive agressive with your dually?

 as already mentioned the 10k is for the 6.0 and the 15k is for the dmax and big block.




Wrong chadsalt...

directly from Dodge for 2007

Tow rating on 3/4 ton with Cummins quad cab, 4.10 axle = 12,750 lbs
Tow rating for 1 ton dually with Cummins quad, 4.10 axle = 15,350 lbs

Both identically equipped with the Laramie package, 4x4 etc...

The 3500 dually also has a payload that is 2467 lbs HIGHER than that of the 2500, which means the rig is capable of carrying 2467 lbs more pin weight of a trailer. Chadsalt...ever wonder why there aren't many single rear wheeled semis??

By the way, aggressive driving was in reference to pushing the vehicle harder...ie towing in the mountains as opposed to on the flats. It was not meant to indicated driving like a maniac with a horse trailer because you shouldn't be doing that anyway.

John




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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2007-01-24 9:08 PM (#54450 - in reply to #54445)
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Originally written by JStrause on 2007-01-24 9:29 PM

Originally written by chadsalt on 2007-01-24 5:05 PM nearly EVERY 3/4 ton srw has a higher trailer rating, given the same powertrain, as a dually.  the max trailer = gcwr - the truck weight.  since a dually weighs more, and a gcwr is set for a powertrain, that comes out of the max trailer weight.  i do like the comment about "non agressive driving" though,  guess you get to drive agressive with your dually?

 as already mentioned the 10k is for the 6.0 and the 15k is for the dmax and big block.

Wrong chadsalt... directly from Dodge for 2007 Tow rating on 3/4 ton with Cummins quad cab, 4.10 axle = 12,750 lbs Tow rating for 1 ton dually with Cummins quad, 4.10 axle = 15,350 lbs Both identically equipped with the Laramie package, 4x4 etc... The 3500 dually also has a payload that is 2467 lbs HIGHER than that of the 2500, which means the rig is capable of carrying 2467 lbs more pin weight of a trailer. Chadsalt...ever wonder why there aren't many single rear wheeled semis?? By the way, aggressive driving was in reference to pushing the vehicle harder...ie towing in the mountains as opposed to on the flats. It was not meant to indicated driving like a maniac with a horse trailer because you shouldn't be doing that anyway. John

 

you may notice i said "nearly EVERY 3/4 ton srw".  ford and chevy have been that way more or less, ford typically does offers only the lower rear gear on the drw to make up the difference.  not to familiar with dodge, i have heard dodge used to be rather tight lipped about their gn/5er weight ratings.

and no i dont wonder why there arent many tractor/trailers running supersingles.  it is because supersingles never really caught on,  so when you have a blow out they are hard to find/replace causing the driver to have to buy 2 regular rims/2 regular tires to procede on.  a 20k axle does not care if it has 2 10k tires or 4 5k.  i drive big rigs for a living.

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JStrause
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2007-01-24 9:09 PM (#54451 - in reply to #54417)
Subject: RE: GMC2500HD with Bison 8'LQ


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Just to add to the above, I checked the 2007 Chevy Silverado Classic.

2500HD tow rating = 13,200 lbs
3500HD dually tow rating = 16,000 lbs

Both are identical 4x4 crew cabs equipped with the Duramax and auto.

Chadsalt, I'll let you look up Ford's data.

John
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2007-01-24 9:24 PM (#54454 - in reply to #54417)
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i see the problem, i was refering to srw 1 ton not the srw 3/4 ton..............srw 3/4 threw me off, havent seen too many drw 3/4 ton.
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PaintPony
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2007-01-25 9:24 AM (#54474 - in reply to #54417)
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Hi Lynn, Mules Days is a blast isn't it?! Haven't been in a few years, though Benson's not far from me. I have a Bison Alumasport 3H w/ 8'LQ. (which I love by the way) I used to pull it with a 03' dodge cummins 3500 SRW and was not at all happy with how it handled the trailer, especially loaded. Yes, it would pull it down the road but it lacked the braking and stability. The salesmen can say all they want about them being the "same" as the DRW but the lack of those extra back tires make a huge difference when pulling. Could just be me, though, as I always hated that truck, compared to the 1999 dually it replaced.

Can you pull that trailer with your truck...sure. Will you be happy and comfortable doing it...probably not, especially on any kind of hills or mountains. Braking and stability will be your biggest issues. I upgraded to a Chevy 4500...much better to be over-trucked than over-trailered IMO, LOL! I've got to put a plug in here for my absolute most favorite trailer salesman. If you're shopping the Bisons and are close to NC you should really give Randy Burmaster in Fletcher a try. When I told him what I was looking at he was able to beat every else's price, and I've been very happy with the "after the sale" service I've gotten. No, I'm in no way associated with Randy or his dealership, just a satisifed, very choosey, customer. Feel free to PM me if you have questions or would like to chat.
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Lynn0202
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2007-01-25 9:47 AM (#54476 - in reply to #54417)
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PaintPony - I actually discovered Mule Days just last year. My husband went for years growing up and we drove up for the day on Saturday (no horses) and I was in awe. I ended up spending most of the day on the back of a borrowed horse in love with the atmosphere. The horses in the McD's drive thru just amazed me. We've planned on going for 5 days this year and I am so excited.

The trailer I want is the same trailer you have. After hearing the other posts, your's confirms what I suspected and we're looking at getting a '99 or 2000 model one ton dually. We figure that truck will last us quite some time yet if we shop carefully.

Thanks all for your help. Renee

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