Posted 2006-11-01 6:30 PM (#50960 - in reply to #50956) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
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Posts: 56 Location: Oregon
Hi Slickrnsnot, Where are you in Oregon? I'm in Southern Oregon, we are paying 2.57/gal what did you have to pay for the ULS? I keep asking at the station when it will arrive, but no one seems to know.
Posted 2006-11-01 7:33 PM (#50961 - in reply to #50956) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
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Posts: 90 Location: louisiana
Just inquiring to see if yall are being told the same as we are down here in the south.....they say that the trucks stops will carry both because the big rigs cannot run on the ultra low?????? I am worried because my diesels are 1996 and 2002. I dont want the low sulphur content to mess my engines up, so I will be on a quest to make sure I get Low instead of Ultra Low. Some stations around here are already carrying the Ultra Low but they all have the stickers warning you that it is. I was told if the pump doesnt have a sticker it is Low, they only have to put a sticker on if it is Ultra Low. This sounds a little wacky to me but the owner of the station where I get my diesel is the one that told me this. Has anyone else been told these things? And guess my main worry is....will it mess my engines up if I have to use Ultra Low because I cannot find the low?????
Posted 2006-11-01 8:59 PM (#50963 - in reply to #50956) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
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Posts: 1723 Location: michigan
Ultra low will not hurt your engine but running the non ultra low in a newer diesel will. The problem is complex- fuels pick up traces of sulphur in tanks,being transferred, from other fuels. There is really no way of guarenteeing the fuel is truly ultra low. Thanks EPA
Posted 2006-11-01 10:14 PM (#50970 - in reply to #50956) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
Location: KY
We are using mainly biodiesel. Does anyone know what sulphur rating it has? There is nothing on the pump except that it is biodiesel. It is, for the moment, running about 2.39 around here.
Posted 2006-11-02 5:33 AM (#50974 - in reply to #50956) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
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Posts: 1283 Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey
I have been buying my Diesel at Murphy's(Wal-Mart) here in town, I noticed on Monday they had the stickers changed to Ultra-Low. I asked the guy at the counter and he said they started getting it last week. I then asked if it was a big deal to switch it over? He gave me the deer in the headlights look, I went just a little farther and asked if they pumped the regular diesel out when they switched? Same look, So I am now running something along the lines of almost not quite ultra Low sulfer. I would be willing to bet this is being done across the country. This is a new store just opened in July.
Posted 2006-11-02 7:20 AM (#50980 - in reply to #50956) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
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Posts: 1723 Location: michigan
You're right- the fuel has been available for a while. Suppliers have been switching over to meet the Oct 1 deadline. I also bought some fuel at a Meijers this summer and noticed the sticker on the pump. I have been using it and some biodiesel since with any problems with the truck.
Posted 2006-11-02 8:37 AM (#50986 - in reply to #50960) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
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Posts: 671 Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY)
Hi Clow.I am in Northern oregon West of Portland.
Right now it is about $2.51
To fill My outside fuel tanks,it was $2.02850
Before the .40 tax that is wholesale.Plus .00100 and .00120 Federal lust tax and Fed diesel oil spill
For a $2.03070 price.I had tanks filled last month and got the low sulpher,this month ULS is what they delivered.
If you are worried about the lower sulpher causing problems You can use an additive,stanadine (not sure about spelling) or another additive.Motorcraft makes one too,I use it in My personal truck.
There is no choice around here except for off road,red and ulsd clear.
Posted 2006-11-02 12:57 PM (#50999 - in reply to #50991) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
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Posts: 671 Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY)
You may be fine,but I was told this summer that older vehicles may want to add something to help with lubricity.Since the sulpher was a lubricant.
They say it will work fine in all engines.however I think 4 oz of prevention is worth a pound of cure!
Posted 2006-11-02 1:11 PM (#51000 - in reply to #50999) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
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Posts: 366 Location: Albany, Oregon
The lubricity is supposed to be equal to or better with the new mix. I have no facts other than I read it somewhere. Another rumor!...The big no no is running the old fuel in the "07" rigs delivered after 1-1-07. Ours will survive. Note: A guy at work just bought an "07" Dodge and it will run the old fuel. The ones they deliver or manufactured after 1-1-07 will be the new fuel only.
Posted 2006-11-02 2:28 PM (#51009 - in reply to #50999) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
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Posts: 2953 Location: North Carolina
Originally written by SLICKRNSNOT on 2006-11-02 11:57 AM
You may be fine,but I was told this summer that older vehicles may want to add something to help with lubricity.Since the sulpher was a lubricant. They say it will work fine in all engines.however I think 4 oz of prevention is worth a pound of cure!
Slick... That Stanadyne web site you linked to explains the sulpher is NOT the lubricant. The process that removes the sulpher (Hydrotreating) reduces the lubricity of the fuel. That's why low sulpher fuel is low lubricity
Posted 2006-11-02 2:49 PM (#51010 - in reply to #51009) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
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Posts: 190 Location: Texas
"Lubricity is a measure of the fuel's ability to lubricate and protect the various parts of the engine's fuel injection system from wear.The processing required to reduce sulfur to 15 ppm also removes naturally-occurring lubricity agents in diesel fuel. To manage this change the American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) adopted the lubricity specification defined in ASTM D975 for all diesel fuels and this standard went into effect January 1, 2005."
Source: Chevron website (valid source of info unless you are into conspiracy theories about the oil companies)
What that means is the ASTM has a lubricity spec that has to be met (since Jan. 1, 2005) and the lubricity that is lost by the sulfur reduction aspects of refining are replaced with other lubricating components in the production process. The net for me is: don't worry about it. Find something more important to stress about.
Posted 2006-11-02 4:05 PM (#51018 - in reply to #51009) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
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Posts: 671 Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY)
Originally written by hosspuller on 2006-11-02 12:28 PM
Originally written by SLICKRNSNOT on 2006-11-02 11:57 AM
You may be fine,but I was told this summer that older vehicles may want to add something to help with lubricity.Since the sulpher was a lubricant. They say it will work fine in all engines.however I think 4 oz of prevention is worth a pound of cure!
Slick... That Stanadyne web site you linked to explains the sulpher is NOT the lubricant. The process that removes the sulpher (Hydrotreating) reduces the lubricity of the fuel. That's why low sulpher fuel is low lubricity
Posted 2006-11-02 11:19 PM (#51039 - in reply to #50956) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
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Location: Burleson, TX
REGARDING ULSD; There is lots of info on several of the diesel sites. Two that have a lot are dieselram.com and carsondodge.com Here in Texas we have the usld now and I have a 2006 that runs with the same mileage using either one. Don't worry about the lubricant issue in newer trucks. Those qualities were replaced in the new fuel. For older trucks, there can be an issue with the fuel system seals failing. Mostly in the old 12valve dodges. Look up your model year on a search of sites like the dodgeram.com or duramax.com, etc. Just google your make of truck and find the sites. Also, the fuel filters in most trucks older than a couple years may not filter out the particles that may be released when gas stations switch over to the usld in tanks that had the previous fuel. Dodge now uses a 7 micron filter instead of the 10 micron. You may need to find out if your vehicle needs an improved filter. Hope this helps. I found the sites listed above to be a wealth of information that has helped me avoid several potential problems.
Posted 2006-11-03 4:01 PM (#51073 - in reply to #50970) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
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Originally written by rose on 2006-11-01 10:14 PM
We are using mainly biodiesel. Does anyone know what sulphur rating it has? There is nothing on the pump except that it is biodiesel. It is, for the moment, running about 2.39 around here.
Pretty much by definition, there is no S in the 20% of the mix that is bio-D.
There IS in the 80% that is mineral-D.
The "reduced lubricity" scare is around the S removal process, with B20 you can feel warm and fuzzy knowing that only 80% of the fuel went through that process. The 20% that is bio-D has better lubricity anyway.
Don't worry, they add back what the S redux process takes out.
Posted 2006-11-03 4:20 PM (#51076 - in reply to #51074) Subject: RE: Ultra Low Sulpher is here!
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Originally written by WVbarrelracer06 on 2006-11-03 4:11 PM
I have a 99 powerstroke im so confused anyone help
That is understandable.
Just look for the cheapest, for a while that will be what you'be been using all along. Don't worry if ULSD is the only pump on the aisle, it won't hurt anything and in any case that day is probably quite some way off.
Th "Unleaded" signs are STILL on the gas pumps, although nobody is selling "leaded" for highway use - and havn't, for a LONG time (-:
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