Posted 2006-06-17 12:21 AM (#43123 - in reply to #43108) Subject: RE: Frozen Semen?
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For me cooled semen worked better. Alot of horses don't have the quality of semen it takes for freezing, because horses are just not bred for reproduction. Horses are bred for color, speed, endurance, and athletes plus other things, but semen quality is not one of them.
Posted 2006-06-17 9:26 AM (#43137 - in reply to #43108) Subject: RE: Frozen Semen?
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Posts: 1723 Location: michigan
a good breeder will have the stallions semen tested to see if it can be frozen be fore offering it. After collection. its frozen then thawed to checked for mobility. Some stallions do not have good semen for freezing.
On the other hand, the handling protocol of the semen can make a big difference on conception as well as skill of insemination. Make sure the vet or repro center knows how to handle and inseminate properly or the best semen in the world is useless.
Posted 2006-06-17 10:10 AM (#43140 - in reply to #43108) Subject: RE: Frozen Semen?
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Here is the key to unlock your door: In order to achieve the stallions reported pregnancy rate you MUST repeat the management techinques use to get those rates. And don't forget the mare, she POSITIVELY has be a sound breeder.
Posted 2006-06-17 11:12 AM (#43145 - in reply to #43108) Subject: RE: Frozen Semen?
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Posts: 1205 Location: Danielsville Georgia
The reason I ask is I've SPENT a TON on frozen with stallion owners,ones doing the freezing etc.etc.AND a buddy who's a frozen semen tech.ALL swearing by it BUT I've YET to get one in foal.Fed up with it and asked for my money back or COOLED from the stallion owner etc.Told THEM I'm tired of messing around with it.I'm getting the BUT BUTS etc.I asked for PROOF of get etc.even from OTHER studs,breeds etc.with NO proof yet.Seems to ONLY benefit the stud owners,VET and the Techs doing the freezing.They ALL say its the WAVE of the future.Mares are in FINE shape.It's NOT them as I JUST get fed up with ONE deal and bred that mare to MY stud and in foal in ONE cover etc.Been trying to LINE bred two of my mares for the SECOND year on FROZEN.I'm out of pocket a FEW thousand so far.
Posted 2006-06-17 11:46 AM (#43147 - in reply to #43108) Subject: RE: Frozen Semen?
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You have to get a good vet, don't rely on BUDDIES, and get a uterine biopsy done on your mare. Otherwise if you just want to give out money, I could use a couple grand, my daughter needs a new car.
Posted 2006-06-17 12:22 PM (#43151 - in reply to #43108) Subject: RE: Frozen Semen?
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been using a SUPER vet and a Buddy that has been freezing,ultra sounding etc for a number of years.Neither have done any good with it and THE buddy talks about the MULTITUDE he gets in foal yearly on it.He and I are at odds with each other.The other day I told him my feelings about it finally.I did the same with the Stallion station I've been dealing with in Texas.They ALL(exept the vet)tell me I don't know enough about it(vet agrees with me) finally I said LOOK IF I had it do OVER again the ONLY way I would would be a performnce bond.YOU get THEM in foal and THEN I pay.Other wise forget it.I've used COOLED MANY MANY times with NO issues.This frozen stuff from my end is a waste of HARD effort,time and money.
Posted 2006-06-17 1:09 PM (#43158 - in reply to #43157) Subject: RE: Frozen Semen?
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And yes did cultures,rated the uterus etc.I don't have the lables about how many cells per dose etc.Motility(spelling) on some doses seemed good.A couple was real poor.I tried at first being polite about the poor ones not wanting to step on toes etc.Now I've gotton blount about the whole deal with stallion station,my FRIEND whom was involved with mine last year and my vet whom agrees with me.He's bred on frozen before with success but says more often then not NONE.He's no fond of it and growing less fond of it as time goes on.He just did a Arab mare on frozen with same 0 results.It seems its ALL of a sudden being pushed(frozen) and I'd like to know why? I read quite a bit about it and how the trigger(enzime)gets damaged in equine semen and how THATS the reason its never been popular before.
Posted 2006-06-17 5:59 PM (#43172 - in reply to #43108) Subject: RE: Frozen Semen?
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A broker is a breeding service company, American Breeders Service, Independent Breeders Service, Hawkeye Service American Breeders Association. I have to come to the conclusion that you are not handling the semen correctly, not manageing your mare right, or other things. It is hard for me to fathom a stallion owner to go to the expense and effort to sell a stallion for frozen semen insemenation, just to sell junk semen to you. I think I'm on the side of the stallion owner on this one
Posted 2006-06-17 6:46 PM (#43173 - in reply to #43108) Subject: RE: Frozen Semen?
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You stated you had NO success wit it eaither.Why.I don't TRUST "FROZEN" so far my friend and the stallion owner CLAIM to have GREAT success but no prof of such etc.This is the SECOND year of this deal.Mares are fine.Semen looks ok BUT only ok Nothing to bragg about and two doses were absoulity bad, no where near the motility of cooled etc.I not sold that it works or this studs works.stallion owner offered me MY choise of studs,some at a few hundered higher at no charge with COOLED overnighted since last weeks last ultrasound.But what about YOUR dealings with frozen and 0 results?
Posted 2006-06-17 9:29 PM (#43177 - in reply to #43108) Subject: RE: Frozen Semen?
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Lets rephrase this.Mares check good,cycle like clock work and never a issue breedingthem by hand or A.I.in past.Last year used a friend(retired air line captain)whom has been into this cooled,frozen,embryo transfer stuff a number of years.He followed protocol etc.and bred mine twice over two months.No success BUT claims he gets THEM in foal all the time.(NOW he just freezes and stores for others etc.)This year I use a top vet and warmblood breeder(very SMART man) and we do all of the above including checking for infections in mares(none) uterus ratings etc.All pluming is A OK.Same deal with same stallion staion,same stud NEW Batches of semen.Follow protocol and with me kinda helping catch them 5 hours before ovulation and withen a couple hours after ovulation with same success and TWO tries (two months)on same two mares.Zip on success.I get mad,short cycle one ultra sound.Guess that in two days MIGHT ovulate and bred her on that day to HOME BOY and NEXT day she's outa heat.She's bred on 14 day check.So tell me WHAT were doing wrong and WHAT happened on your frozen semen deal.
Posted 2006-06-18 1:07 AM (#43187 - in reply to #43108) Subject: RE: Frozen Semen?
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Posts: 378 Location: Nebraska
We didn't do it right, and neither are you. So get you a good vet, drop the buddy system, and forget about your unfound beliefs. After 2 years you would think a light might come on and you would begin to realize that you are not using proper protocol. Or don't use frozen semen. Simplely put; it's your choice
Posted 2006-06-18 2:15 AM (#43188 - in reply to #43108) Subject: RE: Frozen Semen?
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I used a good vet this year as I stated.I was wanting to know if others had used it and got mares in foal. I know some must get in foal but I think the percentage is very poor.Oh rest assured I DON"T plan and using it again.Or ONLY on my terms.It works I pay.It dosen't its there problem.I've used cool and not ultra sounded and only missed one in 9 breedings on the last 4 years or so.
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