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brisco
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2006-03-11 5:40 PM (#38667)
Subject: Chris Cox Anyone?


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I have 2 younguns to start soon.  Both are used to being groomed, walked, tied etc, but this the summer they go to school.  I watch RFD-TV and the trainers/clinicians quite a bit and am thinking of purchasing Chris Cox on video.  What do you think?  I'd like to have the resource in my home so I can refer to it often.  (I have trained horses up to a point, but think I'd like to be more methodical this time). 
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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2006-03-11 9:19 PM (#38685 - in reply to #38667)
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Personally I am very fond of Mark Rashid;  you might wish to look at www.markrashid.com

and also www.gaitsofgold.com  for gaited horses.............

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2006-03-12 1:57 AM (#38689 - in reply to #38667)
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Chris Cox/Dennis Reis etc = GOOD. Brenda Imus/Gaits of Gold not in ther same league unless you want a saddle or bit.Just my humble 02 worth and I 'm not fond of her saddles she markets.
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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2006-03-12 4:28 AM (#38690 - in reply to #38667)
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I have been to Chris Cox and Clinton Andersons Clinics, I have vidieo's from them and Dennis Ries also. I think the overwelming message among all of these guys is, timing the release of pressure. I would recomend a vidieo from any one of them, Clintons are higher but he is a little more in depth. I swear by it, I used to break horses by throwing them down and sacking them out(fear method) last 1/2 dozen or so I have used a combination of these guys stuff and it has worked impressively. Get the halter from Clinton the rope he uses is very firm and durable. You can not get the results without the halter. Then when you go work your horses really pay attention to the release of pressure, as soon as they give, release. I could go on and on but you get the point and good luck.
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2006-03-12 8:49 AM (#38695 - in reply to #38667)
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Clinton Anderson=Good.Most all those kinda guys.Richard Shrake/Imus and others aren't in the same league.
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cowgirl31
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2006-03-12 2:32 PM (#38706 - in reply to #38667)
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i watched some of chris stuff and liked what i saw.  clinton is also good
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terri s
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2006-03-12 2:55 PM (#38708 - in reply to #38667)
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Al Dunning has some great things to offer also. Yes, he is a reining trainer, but his flexibility and basics are well worth looking at.
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2006-03-14 6:30 AM (#38782 - in reply to #38708)
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I have had the opportunity to meet and attend clinics with a number of these trainers. There are a some who I wouldn't spend my money to buy their products. Others that I would.  I would suggest that you rent a few of the tapes/DVD's and see which ones you prefer to listen to.  I'm sure I can learn something from all of them.

I've attended day long or weekend clinics by Ray Hunt, Pat Parelli, and Clinton Anderson. I spent a week with Richard Shrake.  I've seen a number of others in 1 hour demos at Horse expos. And I've watched videos and TV programs from a lot of others. Some of these clinicians are tremendous marketing machines and I felt like I was in a paid advertising session for the day. Their goal for the day was to sell me something. Others I felt were very interested in helping me learn what I wanted to learn.

The 4 day clinic I had with Richard Shake was one of the most productive I've attended. His clinics don't have spectators, are limited to 6-8 active participants, and other than 1/2 hour at the very end, there was no discussion about other products you could buy from him. It's been 12 maybe 15 years since I attended that clinic, I bumped into Richard this week at Horse Expo and he still remembered my name and a lot about the horses I was working with.

My point being, each of these trainers have their own skill set. If their skills match what you are trying to learn at this point in your learning curve, and if their teaching methods are compatible with the way you learn,  then they may be worth your time and money. Some of the videos seem very home made to me. Wind noise, trucks driving by, lots of distractions. Some are very well made. Rent a few, I know around here there are a couple of  places that have very good selections of videos to rent. For $1.00 or $2.00 a day I can rent a tape/DVD and watch it. Most of these trainers are on RFD-TV or HorseTV. Watch one or two of their programs. If you can learn from their personality and teaching style. Then I suggest they are worth the money to buy their product.

Each of them have strong and week points. Depending on where you are in your learning. Some of these programs bore me and I feel they are talking way to basic. But 15 years ago I may have sucked up like a sponge. Where as some of the trainers I enjoy today would have overwhelmed me at the time.

 



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brisco
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2006-03-14 3:37 PM (#38816 - in reply to #38667)
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Hi Painted Horse,  thanks for replying to my question.  It sounds like with all you've learned from so many trainers, you could be giving clinics yourself!  I am familiar with the trainers/clinicians on RFD-TV.  I have also seen John/Josh Lyons and Clinton Anderson at Equine Affair in Columbus (I've been twice so far).  I am surprised to hear how much you appreciated Richard Shrake, and I'm impressed that he remembers you after so many years.  His TV show was ok, but maybe a bit boring when I saw it.

One trainer nobody has mentioned is the lady mule trainer.  I can't think of her name, but I like her too. 

I am less familiar with CCox, but playing catch-up.  I just want something here in my home to refer to as I go along.  I'd really like a workbook, or pocket cards like Parelli/Reis offer with their training packages.  However, I am not up to spending enough to purchase either one at this time.  If as time goes by I do more training than currently expected, then I might consider it.

My couzin (the one who likes CCox best) has been training semi-professionally for awhile.  I wonder what he would charge . . . .??  Actually, I'm thinking it would be fun to spend a day or two with him (down state Michigan) workiing together and getting a "free" clinic! 

Elaine

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2006-03-14 7:14 PM (#38829 - in reply to #38667)
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I'm surprised at liking Shrake.He's not in the same legue as some of the others.Meredith Hodges is the mule gal.Rich daddy and in my humble opinion not in their league eaither.She is Charles Shultz (Charlie Brown)daughter.She's ok and some of the others are ok.But the ones that practice the Tom Dorrance type teachings are into HORSE more then the others ever hoped to be.The OTHERS are  more conventional which is ok but not the same.
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2006-03-14 8:59 PM (#38837 - in reply to #38829)
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Each trainer focuses on different things. So you need to decide what you want to learn and find a trainer that addresses that subject. Richard Shrake does not have an ON CAMERA personality. And you will never see him get on your horse and show you how it's done. He's a teacher and he expect you to instruct your horse. His style seems to focus on finesse and the world of show horses. But he is very good at his subject.

Other seem to focus on ranch horses, breaking colts, problem horses etc. Find the one that is teaching what you need help with. I was very disappointed in the Ray Hunt clinic I was a spectator at. The day I spent watching Pat Parelli in person was a waste. and yet many friends swear by their videos and training materials. I've yet been able to sit through a program by Dennis Ries. He bores me to death on TV. But he may be a great teacher in person. I've seen a couple of Chris Cox programs, one I enjoyed and one I didn't. Craig Cameron's TV personality is easier for me to watch. Always a big smile and he comes across to me as somebody I'd enjoy sitting down and talking with.

You can't depend on what I or Houndog and anybody else tells you. because we each have opinions that are biased on our previous experiences. Try to find some tapes you can borrow or rent. I thin the Satellite and cable programing is wonderful to expose you to numerous trainers.  Get a feel for the different clinician and decide which ones you like. If they put on a clinic somewhere close by, try to get in as spectator and see them first hand. When you can afford it, buy yourself a present and attend clinic as a rider.  If your cousin will make you a deal,  GO.  There is no substitution for in person learning.



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Beth
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2006-03-16 4:39 PM (#38920 - in reply to #38667)
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Personally, I believe the best training you will ever get is first hand with a competant trainer. At least you can ask questions and have a real person give you an explanation. They can also watch you ride as you are training and give you feed back on how you and your horse look. You can't get that from a packet of cards in your back pocket. I will say that the best trainer I have watched on RFD-TV is Clinton Anderson. You should realize that these TV and Clinic trainers are in it for the money, it is their "job" to sell you videos and stuff. Also there are alot of so called "trainers" out there that went to a few clinics and bought a couple of videos and suddenly they become experts.......watch out for these folks. There is no substitute for wisdom, patience and years in the saddle.
Good Luck to you!
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