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Marla
Reg. Mar 2008
Posted 2014-01-31 3:06 PM (#157265)
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I have a 97 ford with a 7.3 powerstroke. On a recent trip to wyoming I discovered I need a few more horsepower to pull some of those steep passes. I love my truck and would hate to sell it. Is there a programmer anyone can recommend? I have been doing a lot of reading, but I need some help to sift the wheat form the chaff. Any replies will be seriously appreciated.Marla
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2014-01-31 11:01 PM (#157270 - in reply to #157265)
Subject: RE: programmers


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We also have a 7.3 turbo version in our SD truck. When pulling some long hills with the larger trailer, the tranny would kick out of OD because the motor didn't have enough torque. Western PA and Eastern OH have many hills, and pulling in the lower gears was distracting.

I installed a Bully Dog adjustable programmer many years ago. It has variable settings, which allows the driver to select how much additional torque and HP he wants. These adjustments are made with a rotary dial on the dash, ranging from a mild trailer pulling increase to a full blown drag race setting. It also has an engine warm up idle speed, and a safety setting that restricts any large throttle usage for over eager parking attendants.

Part of the sales pitch of the programmers was an advertised mileage increase. Running empty I don't notice any mileage increase. However when pulling any of the medium trailers, I haven't noticed any mileage decreases, which typically ran about ~5 mpg less. When pulling the lighter trailers on level roads, I leave the setting off, which allows the original factory parameters.

When you are pulling hard and using the higher settings, you have to have an exhaust gas temp gauge. (pyrometer) The additional fuel added and the timing are altered to give you the large power boosting. In the higher ranges, prolonged pulling on hills, can exceed the recommended cylinder head temps and can ruin your engine. The lower setting, which allows our truck to remain in OD most of the time on the hills, is the setting that we commonly use, and over temping has never been a problem.

We are very pleased with the increased performance when we need it, and the ability to shut it off when we don't. The engine has remained completely reliable for many years. There are several companies that sell programmers for the 7.3. Compare their specifications, peruse the Internet truck sites and purchase a well known name brand. I doubt that you will be disappointed with the results.

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cajunmuleman
Reg. Oct 2011
Posted 2014-02-01 7:36 AM (#157274 - in reply to #157265)
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Gard,( and everyone else) this is a little off topic but I have a question. What is the maximum exhaust gas temp you like to see?Thanks
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Marla
Reg. Mar 2008
Posted 2014-02-01 10:14 AM (#157275 - in reply to #157265)
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Gard
Thanks so much for the reply. As always, your information is spot on. I have looked at bully dog and edge, but I guess the next step is to actually call around and talk to some diesel shops. Thanks again!
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2014-02-01 11:25 AM (#157278 - in reply to #157275)
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I have a question. What is the maximum exhaust gas temp you like to see?Thanks

I don't like to encounter any readings over 1200 degrees under a sustained loading. Whilst climbing a long hill with a heavy load, I will sometimes let it climb to 1250 if the hill top is in sight. If not, I will select the OD "off" which reduces the torque loading on the engine. The other alternative is to temporarily select a lower HP setting of the programmer, which reduces the fuel flow, and lowers the EGT.

In several years, I've only had to do this a couple of times on very long, steep hills, during some hot summer days, when the rig was fully loaded with our larger trailer. In the "trailer" selected mode, this has never been necessary, only when using the more powerful settings on the very steep slopes.

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2014-02-01 11:49 AM (#157279 - in reply to #157275)
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Marla, also check out the Edge and Banks products. Here's some info on the BD chip I use:

http://www.xtremediesel.com/bullydog6position4-bankchip41613.aspx?gclid=CLrB7q-9q7wCFURnOgod9yIACA

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yeehaw
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2014-02-01 1:27 PM (#157280 - in reply to #157265)
Subject: RE: programmers


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Gard you're a wealth of information son. What is your thoughts on a Smarty Jr. thinking of adding one to a 2003 Dodge but just doing some reading first
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2014-02-01 3:03 PM (#157282 - in reply to #157265)
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I'm sorry, but I know nothing about that product or the applications for Cummins' diesels. Hogtownboss is our resident expert on upgrades and add ons for the Dodge trucks. Perhaps he will see this thread and offer some useful advise. 

There are various Cummins and Dodge truck forums that are a wealth of information. Make sure that the forum you are using for research, isn't sponsored by a supplier. The resulting threads often will advance the sponsors' products, whilst disregarding some comparable alternatives.

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alesnloggers
Reg. Mar 2013
Posted 2014-02-01 6:13 PM (#157283 - in reply to #157265)
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I use a Quadzilla I-quad box on my 2000 Dodge. Really like it. I can set Max/Min parameters such as exhaust temp and turbo pressure and it will defuel automatically if they are exceeded. I get better mileage if I drive nice and WAY more power the rest of the time, All info is sent to my phone so I avoided having to install a full gauge set.
I have no clue if there is a compatible product for the 7.3
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trot-on
Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2014-02-01 6:31 PM (#157284 - in reply to #157265)
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Marla, do you know your combined gross weight you are running? Just a curiosity. (and I love my 7.3 6-speed manual)
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flyinghfarm
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2014-02-01 9:33 PM (#157285 - in reply to #157265)
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have had an Edge programmer on our 2000 7.3 and it has been great....
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Marla
Reg. Mar 2008
Posted 2014-02-02 3:33 AM (#157289 - in reply to #157284)
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Mine is a 5 speed manual. Love this truck! Trailer weighs close to 12000 loaded and I don't carry anything but me, the dog, and 5 gallons of generator fuel in the truck.
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goz63
Reg. Dec 2011
Posted 2014-02-02 5:53 AM (#157290 - in reply to #157265)
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Do you still run the truck in "Tow/haul" with the programers or does the programer do all the changes?
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trot-on
Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2014-02-04 11:47 PM (#157347 - in reply to #157289)
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Originally written by Marla on 2014-02-02 3:33 AM

Mine is a 5 speed manual. Love this truck! Trailer weighs close to 12000 loaded and I don't carry anything but me, the dog, and 5 gallons of generator fuel in the truck.
Guessing the trucks combined weight rating it the same as my 2001 (or maybe less) with is 20,000 pounds. So if the trailer is 12,000 you are most likely at the max. Im also Guessing your truck to weigh around 7500 - 8000 pounds
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trailerconsult1
Reg. Mar 2009
Posted 2014-02-05 10:19 AM (#157351 - in reply to #157265)
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For whatever its worth -I had a 05 Dodge 1ton dually Cummins Diesel and added a BullyDog programmer to

the truck and only put it on the lowest setting - I think it was 49 HP increase - got another 4-5 mpg and increased the hp - great product then - on the open road would set cruise @ 75 mph and went over

Flagstaff Mtn on I-40 with out losing more than 3 mph towing a trailer combined weight loaded & trailer 17500 lbs.....made a good truck better....



Edited by trailerconsult1 2014-02-05 10:20 AM
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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2014-02-07 3:10 PM (#157375 - in reply to #157274)
Subject: RE: programmers


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Originally written by cajunmuleman on 2014-02-01 7:36 AM

Gard,( and everyone else) this is a little off topic but I have a question. What is the maximum exhaust gas temp you like to see?Thanks
Temps will vary depending on the location of the egt probe! Powerstrokes really doesn't vary too much because most mount them just behind the turbo. On the Cummins diesels you can mount them either just behind the turbo or on the exhaust manifold which will make about a 200* to 400* difference in the reading. Mine is a 07.5 Dodge Ram 3500, 6.7 Cummins with extras, automatic and coming out of Kansas crossing the scales at 38,700lbs loaded with hay my egt would run just over 1400* on long hard pulls and my probe is located before the turbo and the one mounted behind the turbo would read just over 1200*... This is how I know there is a difference, cause I was running 2 EGT gauges after I installed all the goodies to my truck to keep an eye on stuff like this.
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siseley
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2014-02-09 12:00 AM (#157391 - in reply to #157265)
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My "05" 3500, ram is almost identical. We do have some rather larger "hills" here, as we are going pretty regularly to 8000 ft, and the temps in this part of the desert run about 110 in summer. Gear down, make that turbo spinup, and drive it like you stole it!!
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gonzo1066
Reg. Oct 2010
Posted 2014-02-09 12:09 PM (#157396 - in reply to #157265)
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Just be aware that you can cause issues with "overpowering" your engine. Most of the programmers will be OK as long as you stay on the lower settings. Run to high a setting on your 7.3 and you will have to replace a warped exhaust Y pipe between the block and firewall, (many update this as the truck gets older anyway).; If you are towing in a DRY climate in hot ambient temps your exhaust gas temperatures will be quite a bit warmer than on humid,cooler days. I will NOT install a programmer on any of my customers trucks unless I install a pyrometer first. Melting pistons is a VERY expensive mistake to repair. I am not trying to talk you out of a programmer just offer information that I have gathered from upgrading customers trucks for the previous 15 years.
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2014-02-11 4:36 PM (#157439 - in reply to #157265)
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Besides overpowering the engine...torque numbers from some programmers can destroy stock transmissions very rapidly...
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gonzo1066
Reg. Oct 2010
Posted 2014-02-11 10:04 PM (#157443 - in reply to #157439)
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Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2014-02-11 2:36 PM

Besides overpowering the engine...torque numbers from some programmers can destroy stock transmissions very rapidly...
Excellent point, OEM transmissions are built to take the power of the STOCK engine in very tough conditions. There is some room for a modest increase in power. However is you treat your tow rig like a drag racer the driveline will suffer and that too will be expensive to repair. I am on my 5th diesel pickup (used only for towing) with engine modifications, and have not had any transmission issues.
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adamwilson
Reg. Dec 2015
Posted 2015-12-09 6:51 PM (#165541 - in reply to #157279)
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6 position 4 Bank Chip W/Switch can increase horsepower and torque on early 99 7.3L Ford powerstrokes with automatic transmissions. I have also checked one of them here it is:[img]http://cppdiesel.com/products/35001/images/23565/41602-36__36819.1419282844.380.380.jpg[/img]This will help in sluggish shifts, increases MPG and Power.
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