Posted 2011-01-31 12:34 PM (#129563) Subject: Windows/vents - what do you do?
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Posts: 213 Location: Virginia
How do you decide what to open, close depending on the weather?
I have drop downs with bus windows on the head side (and jail bar option) and slats on the butt side with plexiglas inserts. I also have roof vents and a bus window in the rear door. While it is easy to know what to do in the summer (open everything!!) I was wondering what everyone does when the weather gets colder? Rainy? How do you decide how much to open?
For example, yesterday it was around 50F and I had only one window completely open (jail bars up) and took out one of the plexiglas inserts. Everything else was closed. It was only a 15 minute ride, so I could not tell if he was getting too warm or not. BTW - my trailer is a 2H GN slant if that makes a difference.
What do you do for different types of weather and why?
Posted 2011-01-31 1:05 PM (#129568 - in reply to #129563) Subject: RE: Windows/vents - what do you do?
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Posts: 56 Location: Alabama
it all depends on how many horses,if you have blankets,if you have roof vents, how fast you tend to drive(back roads 50mph or all 4lane goin 75) and a few others it all takes time to just figure out its mainly all what you prefere
Posted 2011-01-31 10:34 PM (#129593 - in reply to #129563) Subject: RE: Windows/vents - what do you do?
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Posts: 5870 Location: western PA
Have someone drive your rig while you ride in the back. By trying different window/vent configurations, you can experience the same environments as your horses. Then you'll know what works best.
Posted 2011-02-01 8:45 AM (#129604 - in reply to #129563) Subject: RE: Windows/vents - what do you do?
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Posts: 213 Location: Virginia
Thank you farmboy and Gard for your quick responses. I agree that it will be my preference and that traveling in the trailer will help me to see what it is like back there - but that is not what I am asking. I want to know what others do and why so that I can make a more informed choice myself. For example Gard - when you traveled in the back of the trailer, what did you look for? What did you find out that changed what you were doing? Farmboy - do you open up more vents/windows when you are traveling down the highway or do you open different ones?
I am looking for what others do so that I can understand the thinking behind decisions and use that in deciding what I want to do. You have lots more experience in hauling than I do and I am just looking for that type of information.
When you go out and load the horses what factors do you use to decide what to open/close etc?
Posted 2011-02-01 9:14 AM (#129605 - in reply to #129563) Subject: RE: Windows/vents - what do you do?
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Posts: 402 Location: Valentine, NE
It all depends and yes, riding in the trailer is a great idea-have done that and it works. As earlier post said, if a trailer load of horses, blankets on, wind, hair coats, etc, etc. all makes a difference. Our rules of thumb, no idea if it correct, but this is what we do, if below freezing and 1/2 horses, we close up everything except one bus window. If 3/4 horses, we open one window on the head side, and the one in the back door. If 30-50 degrees in winter, will open the top vent, a head window and the rear windows. Goal is to get it to ventilate a little. 60-70 raining in summer, we try to close the top roof vents as the pull in water, and open all the bus windows as they can move their head behind the frame and get out of most of what blows in. If over 80, we drop all the tail doors, and open all the bus windows if 3/4 horses. If we have 1/2, we open the vacant stalls drop downs and that seems to be enough. Over 90 or so, we open everything-all head drops, all tail drops, roof vents.
One thing to be aware of is, can the horse get their head (mostly eyes and nose) out of the wind? That is the most important to me as they can have eye issues if not.
We put a remote wireless thermometer in out trailer a few years back and we learned that our Cimmarron Trailer was never as hot as we thought it should be while moving. If you park for a few minutes, try to find a shady spot==that really makes a differnce.
Good luck.
Posted 2011-02-01 10:20 AM (#129609 - in reply to #129604) Subject: RE: Windows/vents - what do you do?
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Posts: 5870 Location: western PA
Gard - when you traveled in the back of the trailer, what did you look for? What did you find out that changed what you were doing?
When I was a first time father with my daughter, I asked the Dr. how much to dress her for different temperatures. His reply was, "she feels the same as you do, so use similar clothing." My goals when hauling, are to have the horses as comfortable as I can be without artifical means.
You have been given a lengthy reply, on how one trailer owner achieves that goal while travelling. It instructs the many variables that are available to achieve the horses' comfort. It does not address the fact, that many trailers will differ in the final results. The sizing of the windows, their placement and number will change the affects. Having slats at the butt side, will produce different results than buss or drop windows. The ceiling height, stall sizes and number will effect the interior's space. More horses produce more body heat. Are your trailer's walls and roof insulated or single skin? Is your roof painted a light or dark colour? There are many variables. Another owners experiences may be just a guide for you to get started.
A rear door window pulls air into the box. The front of a side window sucks air out of the stalls, while the rear area of the same window allows air inside. The top vents can direct ambient, outside impact air into the interior; the same vent can suck warm, stale inside air out. Cold days, hot days, the number of trailered horses, the highway speeds and length of your travels, will all effect your decision on how best to heat or cool the interior stall space.
We have more cool and moderate days than oppressive hot days. On hot days, all the windows are open and the top vents are directing air to the inside. Parking a loaded trailer in the sun, will quickly raise the inside temps to endangering levels. This is similar to warnings about pets or babies left in automobiles. If the horses are sweating, they need to be cooled. Optional cooling fans may be necessary.
If you're cool in the back, consider sheets or blankets. You can feel underneath them against the skin to determine if it's enough insulation or too much. During cold trips, we blanket the horses and use rear most vent to suck out the inside air. All the windows are closed. Horses, like humans, are subject to air chill factors. If the cold air is hurting your face, the horses will similarly suffer.
I can't offer you a perfect example of what to do under a given condition. Your experiences, horses, rig and environment differ from mine. Again, by riding in the stall area, whilst opening and closing various windows, vents and slats, you can more accurately guage what your horses are experiencing. You can then accurately determine what works best for your circumstances.
Posted 2011-02-01 10:37 AM (#129611 - in reply to #129563) Subject: RE: Windows/vents - what do you do?
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Posts: 342 Location: Ohio
Well said, Gard.
It's going to be completely subjective. For example, we rode this past weekend. It was ~37-38 degrees outside. The trailer we use for day trips is an all steel 3h slant. It is black in color and the horse area is not insulated. In the sun, it was a good 20-30 degrees warmer in the trailer than outside. I partially opened the slide windows on each drop down and partially opened the rear bus windows leaving the back window and roof vents closed. It maintained temperature very well and was very warm when we got to the park to ride and when we got home. I wanted enough ventilation and airflow for them to cool down, but not get chilled after a wet and sloppy ride. Both horses I had with me that day grow winter coats to the likeness of a grizzly bear. They just don't get cold. They enjoy standing in the snow and ice. I have seen them with an inch or more of snow & ice on their backs and not give it a second thought.
You just have to determine what is best for you and your circumstances.
Posted 2011-02-01 10:38 AM (#129612 - in reply to #129563) Subject: RE: Windows/vents - what do you do?
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Posts: 1723 Location: michigan
You cannot compare your comfort in a trailer to that of a horse. While you might be cold, they aren't. You might lose your balance, they likely won't. Our eyes are different that a horses so what might get into your eye and cause problems it probably won't in a horse...So- my general rule is to open vents and windows for ventilation and fresh air unless its below zero and even then I have the vent on top open. I blanket if its really cold ( and since I don't haul much in the winter thats not much of a concern) OR I am traveling to a show and even then if its hot I will likely just put a sheet on them, if that.Horses generate quite a bit of heat in the process of standing and balancing in a trailer and since are outdoor creatures so good air circulation is the best thing for them.
Posted 2011-02-01 11:07 AM (#129614 - in reply to #129563) Subject: RE: Windows/vents - what do you do?
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Posts: 5870 Location: western PA
Can't help but wonder why a horse stands with its back to the prevailing cold wind. Wonder too, why a horse's eyes are watering and blinking when they are unloaded from an opened windowed, cold trailer ride. Guess their eyes aren't really that sensitive after all. My mistake.
Posted 2011-02-01 1:19 PM (#129617 - in reply to #129563) Subject: RE: Windows/vents - what do you do?
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Posts: 1723 Location: michigan
I don't have horses with watery eyes after a hauling. Do they tear now and then normally..yes they do. Its what helps clear there eyes of debris such as hay or straw ( horses can easily reach UP to eat hay and if you notice there is a great deal of chafe falling down). If hay gets into our eyes we not only water up but it becomes greatly irriated and red until we get the matter out. Horses don't, they blink water up and problem is solved. Obviously if something is impaled into the area thats different but our eyes ARE far more sensitive that a horses eye. Horses stand with their butt to the wind because its more comfortable. We run into the house,get heavier clothes on etc.Unless its really bad, most horses prefer to be outside while we do not. Again- our comfort level is different that a horse.
Posted 2011-02-02 2:23 PM (#129685 - in reply to #129563) Subject: RE: Windows/vents - what do you do?
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Posts: 56 Location: Alabama
its hard to tell someone how to do it also horses put off more heat...best thing to do is as you travel just try new things back in Jan i went to a roping bout a hr and half away left all windows up and had slides open on head and had all slides open on butt side but 1 and roof vents close but the back 1 and it was open to let heat out..i got to take a horse off sunday and depending on the temp i will either leave all windows up or my drop the back window