Posted 2010-11-18 6:28 PM (#127268 - in reply to #127257) Subject: RE: generators
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Originally written by sidelock on 2010-11-18 3:21 PM
So would two Honda 2000 running at the same time be louder than one 3000 running by itself ?
I asked the same questions when I was looking for generator...basically is the sound additive and the answer I got was the sound is somewhat additive but not very much. If you look at the specs for the 3000 it is 49db at idle and the 2000 is 53 db at idle. If you have ever heard a 3000 that is running at slow idle it is extremly quiet, the 2000 is also very quiet at idle but the 3000 is almost unbelievable. Both are around 58 at full throtle still very quiet. I have had my double 2000 set up for one summer and a lot of people have walked by my generators and commented on how quiet they were. I guess all of that is a long way of telling you that while the parallel 2000s may make a little more noise than the 3000 both are going to be so quiet that the difference in sound should weigh very little on your decision as to which generator to go with.
Posted 2010-11-19 12:09 AM (#127281 - in reply to #127257) Subject: RE: generators
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Originally written by sidelock on 2010-11-18 3:21 PM
So would two Honda 2000 running at the same time be louder than one 3000 running by itself ?
** EU3000is = Noise Level 58 dB @ rated load 49 dB @ 1/4 load at 7 meters
23.4 amp 130.1 lbs. 3500 rpm
** EU2000i = Noise Level 59 dB @ rated load 53dB @ 1/4 load at 7 meters
45.9 lbs 4300-5000 rpm13.3amp (two units linked 26.6 amp)
1) Parallel operation of two EU2000 gives you 26.6 amps, slightly more power than one EU3000. However, the two units run faster and louder, about 7 dB more noise (4 dB per unit louder, two units add 3 dB), you would have to put them twice as far away to be at the same noise level on stage.
The added weight and expense of the extra AC cable, and the interconnect cable offset the price difference.
That said, there is a lot to be said for having two generators, 13.3 amps is enough to power up a system, one big dead generator makes no noise.
Posted 2010-11-19 8:30 AM (#127286 - in reply to #127281) Subject: RE: generators
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Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2010-11-19 1:09 AM
Originally written by sidelock on 2010-11-18 3:21 PM So would two Honda 2000 running at the same time be louder than one 3000 running by itself ?
** EU3000is = Noise Level 58 dB @ rated load 49 dB @ 1/4 load at 7 meters 23.4 amp 130.1 lbs. 3500 rpm ** EU2000i = Noise Level 59 dB @ rated load 53dB @ 1/4 load at 7 meters 45.9 lbs 4300-5000 rpm13.3amp (two units linked 26.6 amp) 1) Parallel operation of two EU2000 gives you 26.6 amps, slightly more power than one EU3000. However, the two units run faster and louder, about 7 dB more noise (4 dB per unit louder, two units add 3 dB), you would have to put them twice as far away to be at the same noise level on stage. The added weight and expense of the extra AC cable, and the interconnect cable offset the price difference. That said, there is a lot to be said for having two generators, 13.3 amps is enough to power up a system, one big dead generator makes no noise.
I think one thing is being overlooked, when people are considering the amount of noise the various generators produce. This Honda, for instance, is given a DB noise value at 1/4 of its rated output. In addition, its fuel consumption is also measured at this lower value. When these generators are under load, which is why they were purchased in the first place, they will not be sitting there running at an one quarter idle. Under any normal loading, they will be burning much more fuel, and making more noise.
When you compare the specifications of the various manufacturers, make sure the ratings are compared equally. It would be a stretch, but someone could say his generator used no fuel and is absolutely quiet...until it's started.
Posted 2010-11-19 6:43 PM (#127299 - in reply to #127286) Subject: RE: generators
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Originally written by gard on 2010-11-19 8:30 AM
Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2010-11-19 1:09 AM
I think one thing is being overlooked, when people are considering the amount of noise the various generators produce. This Honda, for instance, is given a DB noise value at 1/4 of its rated output. In addition, its fuel consumption is also measured at this lower value. When these generators are under load, which is why they were purchased in the first place, they will not be sitting there running at an one quarter idle. Under any normal loading, they will be burning much more fuel, and making more noise.
When you compare the specifications of the various manufacturers, make sure the ratings are compared equally. It would be a stretch, but someone could say his generator used no fuel and is absolutely quiet...until it's started.
The Honda's have an eco throttle which allows them to idle down when not under a full load. If I am running one of my 2000s to power lights, fans, tv, pump then it is always running at low idle, very quiet. If I power up my microvave then it idles up but quickly returns to low idle once the microvave is off. If I am using two generators and the AC they will idle up but still quiet compared to the AC.
Posted 2010-11-19 7:46 PM (#127301 - in reply to #127111) Subject: RE: generators
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I'm familiar with Honda's "Eco-throttle" and that's exactly my point. Consider Honda's EU30001. It is a 3000 W generator that is advertised that it will run 7.7 hrs on a tank of fuel, produces 57 DB and weighs only 78 lbs. Impressive figures, but they are attained at a 1/4 throttle which is not enough to power a microwave, air conditioner, coffee maker, hair dryer etc. When the generator is run at its available power, the 3000W drops to 21.7 amps, the run time drops to 3.6 hrs, and the noise jumps to 65 DB.
Compare that to a Yamaha EF 28001 which has a different rating system. It is advertised it can run 15 hrs at half throttle, and from that power setting to a full run, has a noise rating of 60-67 DB. It too is a 3000W generator weighing 66 LBS, but produces a continuous rating of 23.3 amps. It too has a variable RPM depending on the electrical loading called "Economy Control".
I am not promoting one generator over another or trying to change anyone's buying habits. I am trying to show, that the initial claims of features have little to do with real world performance. By digging into the specs of a working environment, you can then determine which generator has the better features. Then if you compare pricing, you'll find that one lists for almost $1000 less than the other. It pays to shop.