Posted 2009-08-27 6:50 AM (#110038 - in reply to #110033) Subject: RE: LED lighting
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Pretty much plug and play. Marker lites can be installed on their respective base in two ways. One way the lite will work, the it will not. Has to do with the fact that LES lites are diodes...electrical current only flows one direction through them.
So if you install an LED lite and it doesn't work, reverse it on the base. You won't have that problem with the Stop/Turn/Tail lites though, they have a 3 prong plug that only connects one way.
I like them, I replaced all the lites on my trailer with LED's.....ain't cheap.
Posted 2009-08-27 9:37 AM (#110043 - in reply to #110038) Subject: RE: LED lighting
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Thanks for the info.No,wyndancer,it isn't cheap--he had 4 of them replaced on the back of one of our trailers,he said it only cost $30 and I thought he meant for all of them.Wrong!
Thanks.We checked on this thread.our lights are not like this,however.
Hi everyone. I have an older Sooner trailer that I'm replacing all of the marker lights on. The lights are M2 series 3.75 X 1.2 with 2 pin snap in mounting. I just tried a light from super brite led's and it works. Their's have 12 LED's in the center but none on the ends. My original lights have 1 bulb on each end. Just out of curiosity, are there any replacement LED's with the lights on the ends as well? (with that 2 pin mounting system) - Dave
Posted 2009-08-27 10:32 AM (#110048 - in reply to #110033) Subject: RE: LED lighting
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I went to the One Source truck parts store to get a replacement LED red marker light...... The LED was $14.00... A incandesent light is $4.00. Both will plug into the same fixture. They didn't have the LED, so the trailer is now sporting one "old timey" red marker light on the right rear and it actually looks as bright if not brighter than the two diode, LED light.
Posted 2009-08-27 11:10 AM (#110050 - in reply to #110033) Subject: RE: LED lighting
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I just punched in "LED TRAILER LIGHTS" in EBay and found 1500 postings. Maybe some time spent searching there, would get you what you need at a better price.
HTB has this issue pretty well scoped out. He may be able to help when he checks in.
Posted 2009-08-27 2:13 PM (#110056 - in reply to #110050) Subject: RE: LED lighting
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well,we don't exactly know what we're doing or how to go about replacing them.That's why I made the thread.Finding them won't be a problem,it will be installing them without dragging it to someone that is going to charge an arm and a leg to do so.
Posted 2009-08-27 2:50 PM (#110059 - in reply to #110033) Subject: RE: LED lighting
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CRG - what brand is your trailer? Some are easier than others. All depends on the type of light on your trailer. Post some pics of the lights on here for us to see. Maybe someone could give you a more definitive answer that way.
Posted 2009-08-28 6:18 AM (#110070 - in reply to #110063) Subject: RE: LED lighting
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You can do it your self, it' very simple. Just grab a couple of small screwdrivers, flat tip & phillips. you'll be good to go. Oh, you might need a ladder too.
Posted 2009-08-28 6:22 AM (#110071 - in reply to #110033) Subject: RE: LED lighting
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I changed my Stop/turn/brake (plug and play) however when I changed my backups I had to cut and replace to the new plugs. The old plug was set up pos / neg differently. I liked this web site but I am sure there are cheaper ones. The number of LED lights in the lens drives the price. http://motors.shop.ebay.com/randpcarriages/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_f... Oh and they just pull out and pop in. I sprayed silicon to get it slippery and used a small flat screw driver to work out the old lights and just firmly pushed in the new ones. After a few weeks the black groment sealed around the light better.
Posted 2009-08-28 9:17 AM (#110072 - in reply to #110033) Subject: RE: LED lighting
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When changing the trailer running lights, there are basically two styles of electrical hook ups: one will have a trailer plug, into which the new light is inserted. Both the hot wire and ground are furnished trough the plug. The second type has a single feed wire which is spliced to the trailer's hot wire. The light fixture itself, is grounded through its base to the shell of the trailer.
To change them depends on their construction. The type described as "plug and play" simply involves removing the two screws holding the light to the trailer, changing the plug to the new assembly, caulking the base, and screwing the new light to the trailer. A time saving test is turning on your trailer lights before you physically attach the new light. If it's bad and doesn't light, you'll find out before its reinstalled and covered in caulking.
The second type takes a little more time, but is also not difficult to change. The base may be pop riveted to the trailer. A 1/8" drill bit will remove the rivet heads and the light can then be removed. You will usually have one wire going to the fixture; cut it inside the light to keep as long a piece of the trailer's original wiring as possible.
You will need a combination tool that strips wires and crimps as well. This is a common automotive tool that is sold in hardware, auto and big box stores. There are two types of quality and pricing. One is ~$8, that other ~$15+. Buy the least expensive, unless you plan on doing this type of work for a living. You will also need some butt splices, red if your wiring is 16 AWG, blue if it is 12 or 14 awg.
Strip about 1/2" of insulation off the trailer's wire, and crimp on the butt splice. Pull on the crimped splice to make sure it is properly affixed. It should not come off in your hand. The new light will also have a wire that is too long; cut it to length and strip this as well. Again using the crimping part of the tool, crimp the new wire into the butt splice, and test for its security.
Instead of using pop rivets to attach the new light, you can use #8 pan/flat head SS sheet metal screws. The original pop rivet holes may now be too large to securely hold with new rivets. The screws will hold well and afford a good electrical connection. The light base is probably aluminum, the screws are stainless, so using an antioxidant such as Penatrox or Ox gard under the screw heads before the screws are tightened, will ensure a longer lasting electrical connection. This is available in little 4 oz tubes for a couple of dollars, at the same store from which you bought the crimpers
Whenever any light is changed, it is wise to caulk underneath the assembly to prevent rain from creeping into the wiring holes. Many wet LQ wardrobe cabinets are the result of his problem. Some people used the clay based Mortite string weather stripping, I prefer marine polyurethane sealant.
This all sounds complicated. It takes as long to gather the tools and set up the ladder as it does to effect the repair. Once you have changed a light and have a system, the rest only take a few minutes each. Why pay someone $50 -$100 an hour to do what you can?
Posted 2009-08-28 9:58 AM (#110073 - in reply to #110063) Subject: RE: LED lighting
Location: Where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain...
On a 2000 4 Star, your tail lights are the oval in a grommet. Those you will simply pop the light out of the grommet, unplug the cable on the back side of the light, and plug it into the new light. Should be no issues there.
Your marker lights will be held on by 4 stainless steel phillips head screws. Two screws will go through the outer cover. Remove them and then pop the cover loose. You will expose the base at this point. In the base will be two more screws. Remove those and pull your base loose and you will see the wire from the base will run through a small grommet in the trailer. There is a soldered and taped connection inside the trailer. Most people will not mess with that, and will cut the wire on the outside of the trailer.
Keep in mind when you get new LED lights of the size of the light that was there before. You have 4 holes to cover. There is an LED out there that will cover and use the two outer holes. Can't remember the brand of light or where I got them. Don't have that trailer anymore to look.
I'll do some searching online and see if I can find that same type again.
Posted 2009-08-28 10:14 AM (#110074 - in reply to #110033) Subject: RE: LED lighting
Location: Where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain...
I think mine were like these, or something very similar in size. I sealed the two holes that were the ones going through the base and used the two that were for the cover. http://www.vehiclelight.com/2105a.html
Posted 2009-08-28 10:15 AM (#110075 - in reply to #110033) Subject: RE: LED lighting
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Thanks everyone,for all the detailed instructions and help.Will give it a go.
The reason I think Don paid that guy $30 a light was: the trailer was already there having the wheel bearings and brakes checked out since we just got it,and,he told him he wanted 4 LED's on the back,easier to pay the guy,I guess,than to figure out how to do it in the time that Don has (DOESN'T) to do things.Plus,every time we undertake anything,from the easiest to the hardest thing,it always turns into a struggle,nothing ever hardly turns out easy or the way we think it will around this place.
I prefer marine polyurethane sealant.Gard,where can I find that,automotive,or Lowe's? Is it in a gallon can,or,can I get a small amount? Thanks.
Posted 2009-08-28 11:30 PM (#110092 - in reply to #110033) Subject: RE: LED lighting
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Sorry, I'm late..... Been getting ready for my 1st mounted shooting Saturday night. (better half has been doing it a couple of months and already moved up to a level 2) So she has been training me this week.... Any way, looks like these guys have it covered. Something I am doing to our Sundowner is changing to the newer style clear lens LED lights. Look really good on a silver trailer or trailers with a painted top rail. Spend a little time looking over ebay for LED marker light in the car and truck parts section. Tons of options. One type that make a good replacement for the larger 4 STAR type is the kind that are used on Peterbuilt trucks. Item number: 270447688119, Item number: 280389649761, here is 2 that I found right away on ebay. There is over 1000 to pick from and all of these guys will make a package deal on more than one light. HTB