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Ncatanz
Reg. Jun 2008
Posted 2008-10-27 10:30 AM (#93708)
Subject: Heat strip vs. furnace


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The way I understand it,  heat strips run off you Air Conditioner and can only be used while pluged into shore power.  While a furnace can use LP gas and just enough power from the battery to run the furnace blower.  Am I right so far?  If you were primitive camping in a small 6ft LQ could you plug in a small ceramic heater and heat the LQ for a couple nights?  Can you put a furnace in a 6ft LQ?   I am trying to figure out if I want a furnace in my 6ft LQ which I have not ordered yet.   Thanks for your advice people.

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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2008-10-27 10:53 AM (#93709 - in reply to #93708)
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Yes, you are correct. The heat strip is a JOKE and waste of money! Our LQ is 8' with a slide out and we only use a small ceramic heater with an adjustable dig. temp setting (walmart for 20 buck) and it works GREAT.. We are trying on ordering a new 10 to 12' LQ without the furnace and save the $800.00
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Ncatanz
Reg. Jun 2008
Posted 2008-10-27 10:59 AM (#93711 - in reply to #93709)
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Thanks for the reply, does the ceramic heater run off your batteries when there is not shore power, as in primitive camping. How cold does it get at night when you are out camping with just the ceramic heater?
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mgisse
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-10-27 11:01 AM (#93712 - in reply to #93708)
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A heat strip requires you to be pluged into a 30 amp service and is only good till the outside temp reaches 45 or warmer . Heat strips are good chill chasers in warmer areas or if you only camp in the summer in colder areas.

A furnace is usually the best way to go in colder areas and if you camp alot where you dont have anywhere to plug your camper in to a 110 service. As long as you have somewhere to mount a furnace , LP tanks and at least 1 battery you can have a furnace installed for the same price as a AC with a heat strip.

There is also catalytic heaters that also work without any power .Just mount the heater to a wall and make sure you have plenty of ventalation and a CO detector befor using one.

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IcePonyGoddess
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2008-10-27 11:08 AM (#93713 - in reply to #93712)
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Look into Wave Catalytic Heater. I'l love to have one of these in my RV's bedroom. No need for a battery or shore power.



http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/product/olympian-wave-catalyti...



A few weeks ago, we boondocked camped. My buddies all have Heat Strips in the LQs. It got down into the mid 30's, I was able to stay warm with my RV's heater, with uses the house battery to run the fan, but my friends had no heat. They got pretty cold and have condensation in the LQs.

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dixie
Reg. Jun 2007
Posted 2008-10-27 11:11 AM (#93714 - in reply to #93708)
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I would recommend a furnace if you are primitive camping. For one a heat strip doesn't do much more than knock the chill out of the air and requires 110v power. A ceramic heater will most likely require 110v. Adding a furnace will be the best money you've spent on your new trailer especially if you are primitive camping alot.

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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2008-10-27 11:14 AM (#93715 - in reply to #93708)
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Those heat strips in the AC units are a joke once the temps reach into the 50's. They are only rated at 1500 watts at best. They will put out about the same btu's as the average hair blow dryer (approx. 5000 btu's) I can run my heat strips and a 1350 watt heater with my Yamaha EF3000iseb generator. That is, as long as you do not try turning both heaters on at the same time. I would get alot more heat off the generator exhaust if we had a way to plumb up a heat exchanger someway!! That generator will easily burn 5 gallons of gasoline in 12 hours running both heaters.
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headhunter
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2008-10-27 12:04 PM (#93716 - in reply to #93708)
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To answer your question about a ceramic heater, it does require 110v (shore or generator) power.  Pretty much the only way to safely heat your LQ w/o shore power or a generator is a propane-fired furnace.  As others have pointed out, the only power required of a propane-fired furnace is battery power to run the blower. 

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Ncatanz
Reg. Jun 2008
Posted 2008-10-27 12:12 PM (#93717 - in reply to #93716)
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Thanks everyone, the answer is a little bit clearer for me now. A furnace is going to be a must have to keep my hubby warm and safe when there is not power to plug into. Gotta love this forum.
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longearsrule
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2008-10-27 11:05 PM (#93760 - in reply to #93708)
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I have one of the smaller Mr. Buddy Heaters. They are suppose to be safe for indoors but I always leave a window cracked anyway. They work pretty good. I have a 10' LQ. I use a small electric heater when I have power.
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mingiz
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2008-10-28 5:26 AM (#93766 - in reply to #93708)
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Yes the heat strips are a joke. In my last trailer I carried a Buddy Heater and it was great I did have a window cracked for safety and some fresh air. But now I have a LQ with a furnance and let me tell ya. I was like a kid in a toy store the first time i ever used it. Flip a switch and relax. I carry a 3000 honda to run the ac or tv, but otherwise I run off of battery and propane. LQ's are soooo nice...
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pasobeth
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2008-10-28 7:18 AM (#93770 - in reply to #93708)
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For primitive camping a furnace is your best, safest bet.  I camped last weekend and both nights it was below freezing.  My furnace in the LQ ran and I was warm.  Without it, my camping up north here would end much sooner than late October.

Drawback of furnace....the blower needs a battery.  I have 2.  As cold as it gets here the batteries would run down after one or two cold nights. The furnace blower really sucks the batteries dry in cold weather.  My solution was to put in 60 watts of solar panels on my roof, which recharges my batteries during the day even in cold temps.  Only needs daylight, not sun.  The other solution would be a generator to recharge the batteries, but of course, if you like primitive camping, you don't want to listen to a generator running half the day (or night), no matter how quiet it is.

 



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genebob
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2008-10-28 10:06 AM (#93788 - in reply to #93708)
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We just bought our new LQ about a month ago. Furnace was a must we thought. BOY WERE WE RIGHT! Have camped every weekend since except this last one as both kids were home from college. Yesterday temp was mid 30's so I decided I better winterize. Walked in, turned on furnace and within 10 minutes was shucking coat and was extremely toasty. Called the dealer with a question, he asked if we were done for the year and I said "hope not!" He said turn furnace to about 45 and leave it. Went in this morning @ 19 degrees and no chill in the trailer. GET THE FURNACE!!!!!
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Ncatanz
Reg. Jun 2008
Posted 2008-10-28 10:31 AM (#93793 - in reply to #93708)
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Genebob,
You bring up a good point. I assume if you are still using it late into the fall you could leave the trailer in the driveway but plugged into shore power, and then turn the furnace on to 45 degrees so the pipes would not freeze for a couple days in between weekend trips. Does this sound like a good idea?
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2008-10-28 10:45 AM (#93794 - in reply to #93708)
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You can do the same thing less expensively than continuously running the furnace, by using a $20 ceramic heater. Make sure that regardless of the heat source, you open any and all cabinets that will allow the heat near the pipes. Some piping is inside the floor which will still remain cold and can freeze. If it gets very cold, you may have to blow out the pipes between uses.

Gard

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headhunter
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2008-10-29 12:39 AM (#93846 - in reply to #93708)
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A couple of comments....

I second plugging in a ceramic heater at home when you have the trailer parked in the driveway between camping uses.  Why burn propane just to keep the pipes from freezing?  And yes, open all cabinet doors to be sure the heat gets where the pipes are.

And I very much second the use of solar panels.  While building our house, we dry camped for 3 months (long story) and had solar panels on the roof of the 5th wheel which recharged the batteries daily.  Live in Western WA where we rarely saw a truly sunny day (fall/winter timeframe) and just daylight will recharge your batteries.  If you dry camp alot you would probably really appreciate solar panels to recharge your batteries. 

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genebob
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2008-10-29 10:35 AM (#93866 - in reply to #93708)
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Right now I have the trailer parked at another farm and not able to get close to electricity. We are drying corn and all the chaff and bees wings from the corn was landing on the trailer. When we had our steel trailer I didn't do that and the roof started rusting. This is just better all the way around.
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Kay
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2008-11-01 8:30 AM (#94067 - in reply to #93708)
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Just a personal observation concerning a heat strip. Our 21' short wall LQ lives beside the barn all winter and summer, plugged into a 30 amp outlet. We do winterize the trailer, but want some heat or air to preserve the cabinetry and control the humidity when the temperature fluctuates. The thermostat is set to keep the interior at a moderate temp, not necessarily warm enough to want to take a shower. The heat strip does a good job in this case, and we feel that it is much safer and less expensive than running a propane furnace. We do leave the cabinet doors open, and if the fridge is turned off, that door should be open.

Our LQs have always had propane furnaces (must have for resale) but we rarely have used the furnace. The heat strip has been very efficient for us, even in large units. We are in Indiana, where the temp can be 60 one day and 20 the next day in the winter, so I might have a different outlook if we were in North Dakota or Minnesota.

Please be careful with heaters other than the heat strip or the propane furnace. Make sure the CO2 detectors are working. There have been so many unfortunate accidents. Have the propane furnace checked too. After all, it is burning fuel and there are emmissions.
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