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Rich M.
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2008-05-10 5:58 PM (#83666 - in reply to #83082)
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Unfortunately speed heritage.TB's today are faster but also lighter. Speed comes by shedding weight, noticeably the limbs are lighter, less bone density. With these factors limb deviations become a greater factor in breakdowns. Look carefully at the photos with her just trailing BB.It's actually a good pic, down low and fairly straight on. They are both close to the same phase of stride and you can clearly see the deviations compared to BB. People still turn out in droves and anyone with enough loot and speculation on breeding rights runs anything. Well, she might breakdown but then we can breed her. Great more foals with poorer conformation but hey get a big win or two under your belt $$$. Look back in years and see how long horses used to campaign. Now virtually all the top runners turn up with a sidelining injury in a very short time, off to the breeding barn!.Spare me all the gab about how much trainers and owners care. Money rules. Tears for the camera, backhoe out back.Next.The stands are still full, always will be. Conversation yesterday: How's she doing? Well, it's going to take nearly a year to grow this foot out but it will be close to correct when done, not bad considering the bout of laminitis and that huge healed quarter crack. Prognosis very good." You don't understand, this is a champion, she needs to get back in her show package asap, the season is starting!" ( think saddlebred) Mind you I don't feel it's my place to tell anyone what to do with their horses, nor am I touchy feely but you can't have speed and no injury, especially with todays idea of " superior breeding".
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2008-05-11 4:24 PM (#83700 - in reply to #83082)
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here is more information form the bloodhorse.com

By Dr. Stacey Oke

In the wake of two highly publicized catastrophic racetrack injuries since May 2006, questions and opinions regarding the safety of Thoroughbred racehorses have been generated and propagated by fans, the media, and animal rights groups.

“The entire equine industry is saddened over the loss of Eight Belles and Barbaro, but we are not idly standing by," emphasized Dr. C. Wayne McIlwraith, director of orthopaedic research at Colorado State University. "For years we have been aggressively seeking methods to improving racing conditions to decrease the incidence of racetrack injuries.

“We have had two Welfare and Safety Summits in the past two years; however, we need to put many of our resolutions into effect to minimize the rate of both catastrophic and non-catastrophic injuries," McIlwraith continued.

One of the industry’s most recent safety initiatives is the establishment of the voluntary On-Track Injury Reporting System by Dr. Mary Scollay, associate veterinarian at Calder Race Course and Gulfstream Park.

According to Scollay’s analysis of the preliminary On-Track Injury data, the fatality rate in Thoroughbred racehorses is extremely low--1.47 of 1,000 starts on synthetic surfaces and 2.03 fatalities per 1,000 starts on dirt.

Scollay added, “As I have emphasized before, this is just preliminary data and further research is required to fulfill the three goals of the injury reporting project--to identify the frequency, type, and outcome of racing injuries to develop a database capable of identifying horses at-risk for injury.”

These latest figures confirm earlier reports that have analyzed the risk of fatality in Thoroughbred racehorses in California, Kentucky, Canada, and England. Each of these studies concluded that the fatality rate is less than 0.18% and data from the England suggests these rates are even lower.

“Obviously, we want this figure to be zero and we are all working towards achieving this goal,” said McIlwraith.

Regarding the question of whether fillies should race against males, it is unclear at present whether this is a real issue or not despite the images of Eight Belles and Ruffian.

McIlwraith agreed by stating there is no data to suggest females suffer catastrophic injuries more often than males.

Nor is there any evidence younger horses (i.e., 2-year-olds) are injured more often than their 3- or 4-year-old competitors.

“In fact, there is epidemiologic data in the United States showing 4-year-olds as having the highest incidence of catastrophic injuries—not the 2-year old group,” McIlwraith said.

In a 2007 study of Ontario racing Thoroughbreds, there was no difference in catastrophic injuries in horses of different ages from 2 to 8 years or between sexes.

Once horses with an increased risk of injury are identified, it will be possible to intervene and potentially decrease the number of racetrack injuries.

“Based on a Grayson-Jockey Club funded study conducted in Southern California, we have developed a serum biomarker test (a blood test) with a 90% predictability for diagnosing a pre-fracture injury,” said McIlwraith. 

McIlwraith’s vision for the future is the wide-spread use of this blood test to identify horses at-risk for injury, then perform addition follow-up diagnostic imaging techniques, such as bone scans, computed tomography, or magnetic resonance imaging to ultimately reduce the number of racehorse injuries.

The dedication of the Thoroughbred industry to racehorse safety is further evidenced by various safety initiatives in different sectors of the industry, including:

--Establishment of the Barbaro Fund and the Penn Vet Laminitis Institute
--Formation and development of the Racing, Medication, and Testing Consortium
--Professional and education services provided by the American Association of equine Practitioners
--Aggressive research efforts in the field of joint disease and joint injuries to diagnose bone or joint damage in the early stages of disease and to estimate risk and severity of joint damage
--Active efforts by charitable organizations, such as the Southern California Equine Foundation, which is dedicated to protect the interest and promote the welfare of the equine athlete
--Construction of synthetic surfaces at nine racetracks throughout North America
--Institution of The Jockey Club’s Thoroughbred Safety Committee
--Scheduling of regular meetings of the Welfare and Safety of the Racehorse Summit.

 

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mrstacticalmedic
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-05-11 5:38 PM (#83703 - in reply to #83082)
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Thank you Farmbabe for contributing that article.  Unfortunately those who have never worked backside or at a TB racing farm will continue to exhibit ignorance and jump the "sky is falling" bandwagon. 

I don't claim to have firsthand knowledge on other breeds, have had some experience, but I do know TB's.  I literally have blood, sweat, and tears invested. 

If this had been a 5k claimer, we would never would have been discussing this issue. 

You are going to have issues with ANY discipline and ANY breed irregardless of age or training methods.

So lets put this to rest and move on to another subject.

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Rich M.
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2008-05-12 8:38 PM (#83795 - in reply to #83082)
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The next few weeks will be interesting...

http://hoofcare.blogspot.com/2008/05/still-thinking-about-eight-belles.html

I will comment no more.

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-05-14 1:55 AM (#83911 - in reply to #83795)
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Originally written by Rich M. on 2008-05-12 9:38 PM

The next few weeks will be interesting...

http://hoofcare.blogspot.com/2008/05/still-thinking-about-eight-belles.html

I will comment no more.

Well, you are right about it being interesting...

PETA planning protests at The Preakness...

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/05/07/peta-plans-preakness-protest/

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mrstacticalmedic
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-05-14 6:35 AM (#83914 - in reply to #83082)
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Maybe we should protest PETA...lol... Have signs that say I support peta  "People Eating Tasty Animals"...

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rkranchgirl
Reg. Aug 2005
Posted 2008-05-15 9:30 AM (#83993 - in reply to #83082)
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I just thought I would pass this article along.  It is a little long to cut and paste or I would have.  It is a good argument of where the blame should truly lie, with the breeders.  Longevity, confirmation and soundness are no longer the important factors for racing.  It is now more important that horses be fast at an early age to retire and breed, where the big money is.  Even with that said, I find it suprising that everyone (not here, in the general public) is condemning horse racing for the slaughter when they might be suprised how many QH types are sent to slaughter vs. Thoroughbreds.  At least TBs still have to live cover, which reduces the amount bred a year as opposed to QH that have a limit as high as the sky.

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/85146/

 

I am a racing fan and hope that it survives.  I have said for years it needs a hero, but I'm not sure one will come along anymore....

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Yvette
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2008-05-18 9:08 PM (#84175 - in reply to #83082)
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First as for PETA if you truely love your pets and horses (which in my case are pets) do not support this group. They do not have any animals best interest in mind. Sometimes I think they won't be happy until there are no animals on the planet. As they have been quoted at least once before, 'Better dead then in a cage.' This was what they had to say after releasing some show dogs from a dog show. Several of the dogs that got out of the building were hit and killed by cars. PETA showed absolutely no remorse in the deaths of those animals, who were as much beloved pets as show dogs. Nope, if you love animals you will not support PETA.

As for everything else, there are too many drugs used to keep horses in training that need time to heal. Not only in racing either. The problem is just more noticable with racing as when their horses breakdown it can be catastrophic. And though young horses can benefit from exercise to develope stronger bones, it does not mean they are ready for the rigours of racing. Or reining, eventing, barrel racing, etc. There are no easy answers, but I know using no Bute or steroids on a horse in training really can only help.
No easy answers, it is up to the individual for change.
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-05-19 8:03 AM (#84203 - in reply to #84175)
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Originally written by Yvette on 2008-05-18 9:08 PM

 ' This was what they had to say after releasing some show dogs from a dog show. Several of the dogs that got out of the building were hit and killed by cars. PETA showed absolutely no remorse in the deaths of those animals, who were as much beloved pets as show dogs. .

If I were one of those dog's owners,I think I would have had to be physically restrained from strangling a PETA person.They'd be lucky that THEY weren't hit by a car themselves when that was over with.

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mrstacticalmedic
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-05-19 8:20 AM (#84205 - in reply to #83082)
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I agree about PETA.  I think they have too much time on their hands and have nothing better to do to be honest.  There is a need for humane treatment of animals, I agree with that, BUT... you don't have to be an extremist to get your point across.

 

 

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