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ArabHorseLover
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2008-02-29 3:47 PM (#78363)
Subject: Pulling with a F150


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I have an 2005 F150 and a 3 horse gooseneck titan trailer. I'm going to be trading in my truck and am trying to decide what to get. I'm a single gal and this truck is what I use for towing AND for everyday driving so I need it to be dependable & somewhat economical. The 2008 F150, properly setup, are approved to pull 10,600 lbs. I know that my truck & trailer are well, well below that. Does it make a difference that I'm pulling a gooseneck? Both dealers I spoke with recommended I stay with that.If I were to consider a F250 I'd have to go with an older one for it to be in my payment range (thus the possibility that it might not be as dependable & more than likely not the fuel consumption I need). What would I gain by going to a 3/4 ton?Hoping you guys that are smarter than me can help me make a good decision here.
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HWBar
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Posted 2008-02-29 4:04 PM (#78367 - in reply to #78363)
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Wait a minute, your a single gal, AND you have your OWN truck and trailer?

All jokes aside an F-150 is plenty of truck for your setup. You would likely get better mileage with a 3/4 diesel but it may not be cost effective. Might look around for 2 year lease returns on the diesels, That's what mine was it had about 18,000 miles on it and was a little cheaper than a new 1/2 ton. Just tell your local dealer that's what you are looking for and to not bother you with any other "great deals".



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3turnsfarm
Reg. Oct 2007
Posted 2008-02-29 4:14 PM (#78368 - in reply to #78363)
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i think that you'll be more than fine with a 1/2 ton. if you look at 3/4 ton, i would look at a diesels. when looking, look for 99-02 in the fords for the 7.3, but genereally the 5.9 in the dodge will give you the best fuel economy. the fords with a 7.3 are like gold right now and more expensive, but from what i've looked at a used dodge with a 5.9 is very resonable, and if they're in the 100,000 mile area it'll be well worth it. with a 3/4 ton you'll gain more stability and stopping ability.
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ArabHorseLover
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2008-02-29 4:18 PM (#78370 - in reply to #78363)
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ha! I do! and I own my house too. single gal looking for a single cowboy too. But back to the subject of the post... thank you for the info. I'm hating to give up the gas mileage (if I keep my current F150 at 55 I can get up to 20 mpg) but I will if I've been given the wrong info and the F150 shouldn't be pulling my trailer safely. I'll look into the 2 year lease returns. What kind of mpg would the diesel get?Another question... a farmer friend of mine mentioned that if I started to haul 3 heavier horses he would think about putting something-or-other on my truck..... . And of course I can't think of what he called them - but it was something to do with the springs? It didn't involve changing the springs but adding something?? Make any sense to anyone?
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ArabHorseLover
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2008-02-29 4:23 PM (#78373 - in reply to #78363)
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I like my Ford, but I'm not against switching brands. Whatever gets me the best deal. :)
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2008-02-29 5:48 PM (#78378 - in reply to #78370)
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Originally written by ArabHorseLover on 2008-02-29 5:18 PM

ha! I do! and I own my house too. single gal looking for a single cowboy too. But back to the subject of the post... thank you for the info. I'm hating to give up the gas mileage (if I keep my current F150 at 55 I can get up to 20 mpg) but I will if I've been given the wrong info and the F150 shouldn't be pulling my trailer safely. I'll look into the 2 year lease returns. What kind of mpg would the diesel get?Another question... a farmer friend of mine mentioned that if I started to haul 3 heavier horses he would think about putting something-or-other on my truck..... . And of course I can't think of what he called them - but it was something to do with the springs? It didn't involve changing the springs but adding something?? Make any sense to anyone?

My diesel 3/4 ton gets the same city and highway mpg as my dads 1/2 gas.....gets more mpg towing, not to mention the stupid amount of power.  You should be able to find a lightly used diesel for the same price of a new 1/2 ton.  Not everyones situation is the same, do your research.  Good luck.

I should probably also mention is SC Im paying ~.50 cents more per gallon for diesel.



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adeberti
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2008-02-29 5:49 PM (#78379 - in reply to #78363)
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Hi,

I have a 05 F150 5.4 4x4 and pull a 4h slant pumper pull(4Klbs):altough with moslty only 2 horse...one draft 1500lbs(not full grown yet..put still takes up 2 stalls) and another 1,100 one.

We are in your same dilemma: the F150 works fine but up-hill it has its limits and the transmission/engine are working hard...you might want to wait for the 09 F150 which will have a few more features for towing, more power and 6-spd auto(better mpg)....but it will be more expensive. Another thing you could do is get a different differential for improved towing

We are probably going the used F250 diesel way since we want to keep it for a long time and be able to tow up to the Sierras

Good luck

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ArabHorseLover
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2008-03-18 1:39 PM (#79809 - in reply to #78363)
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I'd love to wait until 2009 - but I want to get my current truck traded in before something goes wrong (I can tell there's something up).Another question has come up, which I don't have an answer for.... will it make a difference if the F150 truck is a SuperCrew vs a SuperCab? Will that affect it's pulling any? I have a SuperCab now but am considering a SuperCrew.thanks!
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coltaffyjo
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2008-03-18 9:09 PM (#79846 - in reply to #78363)
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I traded in my 05 F 150 for an 05 F 350 diesel dually. I was not pleased with the handling, power, gas mileage, braking of the F 150 in 2005. I LOVE the diesel. THe price of diesel has increased, but I will not sacrifice the truck at this time. I am completely confident with my 05 6.0 liter. Owned a 7.3 and was not impressed with the power compared to the 6.0. Now that should get the forum lit up like a pin ball machine. !!!! I would have bought gmc, dodge, or heck mule team to pull the trailer--I just lucked into a great King Ranch!! Best of Luck!!! Paul
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Towfoo
Reg. Jan 2008
Posted 2008-03-19 2:09 AM (#79859 - in reply to #78370)
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Originally written by ArabHorseLover on 2008-02-29 4:18 PM

What kind of mpg would the diesel get?Another question... a farmer friend of mine mentioned that if I started to haul 3 heavier horses he would think about putting something-or-other on my truck..... . And of course I can't think of what he called them - but it was something to do with the springs? It didn't involve changing the springs but adding something?? Make any sense to anyone?


My '04 F250 crew cab diesel averages about 15 mpg empty but it'll get 18-19 on the highway if I keep the speed down.

Your friend might have been talking about air bags. They mount between the frame and rear axle. You put air in them to level the truck up when it's loaded down.

The super crew will subtract a little from overall towing capacity vs the supercab, but probably not enough to matter. I would rather have the super crew myself.
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walkersandweims
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-03-23 10:26 AM (#80169 - in reply to #78363)
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I,m a Gal and drive a 1998 F 1-50 with the Big 8cyl engine . I also use it for My everyday Vehicle and towing My 3-H slant gooseneck silverlite. I am amazed at how Great it handles My trailer. I use to have a 2-H steel stock and it bogged My truck when going up Hills, the gooseneck makes all the difference in the world . You should just make sure the the 1/2 ton has the right Engine for the Job...No 6 cyl or small 8 .MWgood luck
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trailer/truck newbie
Reg. Feb 2007
Posted 2008-03-23 9:03 PM (#80229 - in reply to #78363)
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Hi there,

I pulled my three horse slant load bumper pull (6000 pounds empty) with my 2005 4.6 litre F150 4x4 crew cab. I used it once a week to take three horses (average size quarter horse and arabs) to 4h. While it did pull just fine I was always worried about the safety of it. Could I stop if I needed to? Also, I never did have any mechanical problems with it during the 10 months I had it I could have sworn that the engine had a funny hugh pitched hum to it when I hauled the trailer with three horses in it. I asked the same question that you are asking on this site and I received very good advice.

I traded my F150 in for a 2000 Chev Silverado one ton dually 4x4 extended box (it only had 64,000 km on it). It is a gas and not a diesel. I also use the truck as my daily driver. Aside from an initial "operator error", once I got my trailer brakes set correctly I noticed a HUGE difference. The engine didn't work nearly as hard and the RPMs are below 2. I would never go back to hauling with an F150 even though the dealership that sold me the truck swore up and down that it was perfectly safe.

Pay close attention to the advice you receive in this forum as there are many wise experienced people who will give you some really good tips.

Good luck with your decision making process.

 Jodie

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flatlandfilly
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2008-03-24 12:33 PM (#80258 - in reply to #78363)
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I pull a 2H gooseneck with my '99 Chevy Silverado. I would really hesitate to pull a 3H with a 1/2 ton pickup. My concerns would be stopping and stability as well as pulling power. IMHO

How do the heck do you get that brake controller properly adjusted? I've a Prodigy and can't seem to get it right. I've read the directions repeatedly. Any hints? Thanks

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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2008-03-24 2:07 PM (#80263 - in reply to #80258)
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Originally written by flatlandfilly on 2008-03-24 12:33 PM How do the heck do you get that brake controller properly adjusted? I've a Prodigy and can't seem to get it right. I've read the directions repeatedly. Any hints? Thanks )

What is the problem? I will assume your trailer brakes are serviced/adjusted properly.

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Posted 2008-03-24 8:03 PM (#80299 - in reply to #80263)
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There are directions for those things? Now you tell me!

 

haha

 

Jodie

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Posted 2008-03-24 8:09 PM (#80301 - in reply to #80258)
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I had my friend's husband set my brake controller (mine is a voyageur) for me after my bad first experience. I haven't had to adjust it since. I did read the directions so I would know which direction to turn the knob if the brakes grab too much or, not enough.

 

Good luck,

 

Jodie

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PaulChristenson
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Posted 2008-03-25 1:32 AM (#80321 - in reply to #80258)
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Originally written by flatlandfilly on 2008-03-24 1:33 PM

I pull a 2H gooseneck with my '99 Chevy Silverado. I would really hesitate to pull a 3H with a 1/2 ton pickup. My concerns would be stopping and stability as well as pulling power. IMHO How do the heck do you get that brake controller properly adjusted? I've a Prodigy and can't seem to get it right. I've read the directions repeatedly. Any hints? Thanks )

http://www.tekonsha.com/instructions/Prodigy%20Instruc%207689_H%20web.pdf

What did not make sense?



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itshotinaz
Reg. Oct 2006
Posted 2008-03-25 5:54 PM (#80363 - in reply to #80258)
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I think everyone needs to ask if the vehicle is capable of STOPPING. sure, any vehicle can pull just about anything for some distance but what about the stopping ability. I would go with the bigger vehicle. Also think about these sales guys, they will tell you anything you want to hear to make a sale. Go to some horse shows or rodeos and ask the people there what they think of their specific truck and what would they change or keep. Good luck.

cassie

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chadsalt
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Posted 2008-03-25 6:20 PM (#80365 - in reply to #80363)
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Originally written by itshotinaz on 2008-03-25 6:54 PM

I think everyone needs to ask if the vehicle is capable of STOPPING. sure, any vehicle can pull just about anything for some distance but what about the stopping ability. I would go with the bigger vehicle. Also think about these sales guys, they will tell you anything you want to hear to make a sale. Go to some horse shows or rodeos and ask the people there what they think of their specific truck and what would they change or keep. Good luck. cassie

 

All right, this is the third time in this thread stopping has come up.

Of course the truck is capable of stopping.  For that matter there is a possibility the smaller lighter truck can stop the same trailer sooner than the larger truck......physics you know.  More weight takes longer to stop, not less.  Size of the brakes has little to do with a single emergency stop as most modern vehicles have enough brake power to cause the ABS to cycle.  Traction is generally the issue, not brake size.  Consider this, the new model 1/2 ton Tahoe has larger diameter brakes than my 05 3/4 ton Dmax.......I havent run into the back of anyone yet.  I would put a fair amount of money on the Trailblazer I used to have being able to stop quicker than the 3/4 ton I have now, especially since Im running agressive A/T tires on the 3/4 ton.



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flatlandfilly
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Posted 2008-03-25 9:55 PM (#80369 - in reply to #80263)
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How often do the brakes need to be adjusted? What about if I've only used the trailer a few times since the last adjustment a couple of years ago?

I think I figured out the Prodigy settings today. The things that confuses me are the warming up "drive 45 mph on flat, dry pavement with lever halfway on to warm up brakes." Then drive 25mph and stop. If trailer locks up adjust setting down, if trailer doesn't stop adjust up? Are you supposed to lock up the brakes then adjust just a tiny bit higher? And what about the boost feature? I tried hauling my horse with the boost set at 2 but at about 15mph the brakes grabbed so I set it down to 1 which seems to work better.

What about emergency stopping? Are we supposed to reach down and push the lever all the way to the left? I have this pictured: I'm struggling to control truck and trailer while making an emergency stop and not hit anything. So would I really have a free hand and glance to do this? I'd be looking for an escape route not for the brake controller.

Guess it's been a long day. I didn't mean to complain. I guess I worry when I'm pulling the rig about all the "what if'S."
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Posted 2008-03-25 10:44 PM (#80372 - in reply to #80369)
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Originally written by flatlandfilly on 2008-03-25 10:55 PM

What about emergency stopping? Are we supposed to reach down and push the lever all the way to the left? I have this pictured: I'm struggling to control truck and trailer while making an emergency stop and not hit anything. So would I really have a free hand and glance to do this? I'd be looking for an escape route not for the brake controller."

When you have an emergency, the first few seconds are spent in a reflexive reaction. You don't have time to think, and your body automatically reacts based on what it has been taught. It takes a few seconds to realize what has happened, and to start a plan of correction.

Because each emergency is different, the appropriate reaction will differ. At first you have to depend on your rig to help correct the problem. You first try steering and braking, slowing towards the shoulder. But if it is your rig causing the problem, you have to experiment to find an appropriate reaction. This may include just steering with no brake application, or using just the brakes with the wheel centered. It may include no vehicle brakes, but a full application of the trailer brakes.

The weather will change your responses; if you were hydroplaning or sliding on snow or ice, you would brake differently than if you were on dry pavement.

Only by using your rig, can you learn when something doesn't feel right. In many cases, you will have a feeling that something is wrong, before the rig actually misbehaves. Other times an instantaneous action occurs that gives no warning.

Surviving a mishap with your rig is just like driving your car. It's a crapshoot, if, when and what is going to happen. Your behind the wheel, mileage experience, will help you if you're lucky. You can't plan and practice for every eventuality. There but for the grace of God go I.

Gard

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chadsalt
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Posted 2008-03-26 6:55 AM (#80378 - in reply to #80369)
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Originally written by flatlandfilly on 2008-03-25 9:55 PM How often do the brakes need to be adjusted? What about if I've only used the trailer a few times since the last adjustment a couple of years ago? I think I figured out the Prodigy settings today. The things that confuses me are the warming up "drive 45 mph on flat, dry pavement with lever halfway on to warm up brakes." Then drive 25mph and stop. If trailer locks up adjust setting down, if trailer doesn't stop adjust up? Are you supposed to lock up the brakes then adjust just a tiny bit higher? And what about the boost feature? I tried hauling my horse with the boost set at 2 but at about 15mph the brakes grabbed so I set it down to 1 which seems to work better. What about emergency stopping? Are we supposed to reach down and push the lever all the way to the left? I have this pictured: I'm struggling to control truck and trailer while making an emergency stop and not hit anything. So would I really have a free hand and glance to do this? I'd be looking for an escape route not for the brake controller. Guess it's been a long day. I didn't mean to complain. I guess I worry when I'm pulling the rig about all the "what if'S."

Your brakes 'should' be fine if youve only used them a few times since the last adjustment.

Warm brakes have more "stop" than cold brakes, that is why the instructions tell you to warm them before adjusting the controller. After they are warm, you use the trailer brakes only to stop the rig from 25 mph. If the trailer brakes lock up, turn the power down. If they dont lock, turn it up until they do......then turn it down a little. Your are looking for a setting just under lockup. According to the instructions, and my guess of what your trailer weighs, B1 sounds like the correct setting. If you have the setting right there should be little difference in braking 'feel' with or without the trailer attached.

In an emergency you generally dont have to use the manual lever on the controller, the Prodigy will apply full brake power on its own.

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Towfoo
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Posted 2008-03-26 7:28 AM (#80379 - in reply to #80378)
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I agree with Chad's method, which summarizes the mfgr's instructions nicely. The only thing I would add is to watch and be sure the wheels lock up at about the same time. If you can't see them from in the truck, get somebody to stand outside and watch from an angle where they can see all the tires (from rear slightly off to one side, for example). If the wheels aren't locking up together you need to adjust the brake pads so they do. If that's hard to do, you might have a problem with the electric brakes on one or more wheels.
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