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horsecrazi
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2008-02-09 5:26 PM (#76491)
Subject: Picky Eaters!


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I have a Tb mare that is 17yrs ,and I have owned her since she was 4.I have a heck of a time getting this horse to eat her feed.She has always been somewhat picky.She is even refusing to eat sweet feed.She will go for streches eating then won't eat.She'll nibble then go eat her hay.She will eat if left in the stall all night.This horse is 100% healthy is on daily wormer,and has teeth done yearly?She is on 10% protien 10% fat feed to keep weight on her.I did have her on pellets for the last year ,and now switched her to sweet feed thinking she would eat better,but she still is not.Any ideas on how to intice picky eaters?
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Gone
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2008-02-09 7:26 PM (#76494 - in reply to #76491)
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My two cents.....try and rule out any underlying causes. Age may be an increasing factor. You said you had her on pellets for a year......Did she do well on them? Why did you change to sweet feed? What about minerals?

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cutter99
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2008-02-09 7:53 PM (#76496 - in reply to #76491)
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Have your vet check for ulcers. We had an appendix quarter horse that would go off her feed every 6-8 months no matter what we fed and it turned out to be ulcers. Our vet prescribed Gastro Guard and told us if she started eating after giving the medication ulcers were most likely the cause. You can also give 120 mg of Pepto Bismol, Mylanta, or Milk of Magnesia orally a half hour before feeding to coat the stomach. If she eats, it could be an indication of ulcers. You can also have the horse scoped.
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ponytammy
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2008-02-10 12:08 AM (#76507 - in reply to #76491)
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Is she quidding (spitting out wads of hay)? Have a 27 year-old gelding that quit eating brome hay. Had full x-rays from Vet University, scope of ear canals and stomach, two dental floats etc. Vet suspects a tooth is going bad, but not showing on x-ray yet. Switched to orchard grass and a small amount alfalfa since the hay is less coarse and easier to chew. He also gets 3 pounds of equine senior a day. It does take him quite awhile to eat the hay, but seems to be able to chow down on the senior easily as less grinding is needed.

She may have a tooth that is getting ready to abcess, tongue problem, ulcer, TMG joint pain and the list goes on. I found it was cheaper to go to a vet school than having my vet guess... which cost me Close to $3,000 versus a full body make-up for $500. Have you had the vet out to look at her and take blood profile etc during her off times?

I also found chiropractic care along the jaw and neck muscles helped greatly with the quidding problem.

 



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horsecrazi
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2008-02-10 6:49 AM (#76512 - in reply to #76491)
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She has been one pelllets I switched to the sweet feed thinking it my taste better and she may eat it,but now I think it is worse.This is not a recent problem with this horse.She has always done this since she 4.I am thinking maybe ulcers?She is on turnout al the time unless the weather is bad.She has been out of work also.What could the ulcers be from.It's not like she lives a stressful life?Ny other horses all eat fine ,and they are on the same routine.
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Gone
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2008-02-10 8:14 AM (#76515 - in reply to #76491)
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If you can't get a hold of it, I'd consult your vet.
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horsecrazi
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2008-02-10 9:26 AM (#76519 - in reply to #76491)
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Is gastro guard available only by RX?
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ponytammy
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2008-02-10 9:49 AM (#76522 - in reply to #76519)
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Before purchasing gastro-guard you will want to have your mare scoped. The medication is extremely expensive and would be a waste of money if ulcers were not your mare's issue.

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horsecrazi
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2008-02-10 9:53 AM (#76524 - in reply to #76491)
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What about just trying zantac or something OTC? Couldn't hurt ? What would be the dosege of pills for zantac?If it helps then I would know it was ulcers.

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-02-10 12:10 PM (#76536 - in reply to #76491)
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My old girl did this.  Have you lived in the same area since you got her?

I'm just asking because my vets think my mares eating problems were allergy related.  She would act exactly as your mare is when we lived in Tx, but  hasn't done it since we moved to NM and my vet from Tx couldn't understand why she wouldn't eat.  She was emaciated when we got her (5yrs ago) and most starved horses I've encountered will eat anything.  My Tx vet was driving through here the other day and called and asked if he could stop by and see my mare and when he got here the first thing he noticed was her eyes/nose weren't watery like they always were back home and she had more energy.  He said horses are nose breathers and if they are having allergy problems they can't breathe properly and don't feel well and won't eat.  He thinks that is what her problem was since she hasn't missed a meal since the first month we were here.   I have her teeth checked/floated every 6 months and when we were trying to find the problem all her blood work would come back normal.  Since moving to the desert we have had NO problems with her appitite/weight.  She's still not fat, and will only eat the leaves and finest stems from the alfalfa, but she will lick the bottom of her feed tub for that last bit of Sr feed and hasn't lost any weight this winter like she did in S. Tx. 

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cutter99
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2008-02-10 1:07 PM (#76542 - in reply to #76491)
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There is a website called PonyMeds.com where we ordered omeprazole from. It was the pill form of the active ingredient in Gastro Guard. Gastro Guard is available over the counter but is between $30- $40 per day and our vet told us the horse should be on it for at least a month. I crushed it in a pill crusher to give it to our horse. I think a month's supply was $85, which is a lot more resonable than $1200.  Omeprazole is the same drug as Prilosec. The active ingredient in Zantac is Ranitidine.

Ulcers can be caused by many different things. If your horse is stressed because she has had a change in routine that could cause them. Changes in feed can also contribute. Research is now showing that as much as 90% of all track horses have ulcers in some form. Some horses can have them and not show symtoms depending on severity. I saw one mare on the track last year that was chewing at her gaskins and hocks to the point that they were raw and bloody. The trainer thought it was a skin condition but when they scoped her she had one of the worst ulcers that particular vet had ever seen. They took her out of training and put her on ulcer medication and the chewing stopped.

I've worked as a feed salesperson for the last 10 years and we've been taught that feeding hay throughout the day helps as well as high fat feed. I tend to feed a high quality orchard grass but only feed 1 lb per day of ration balancer as my horses all keep well that way. We also have fairly good pasture. Research has also show recently that alfalfa can help with ulcers because it tends to be higher in calcium than other types of hay. Horses that are turned out regularly and are grazing tend not to ulcerate as often because they are always grazing and always have something in their stomach for stomach acid to eat as opposed to the acid eating stomach lining when the stomach empties.

I would not make any changes without first consulting a vet. Most vets will sell you a couple of tubes of Gastro Guard, have you give it to the horse before feeding, and if they eat more normally there is a strong possibility of an ulcer. You can have the horse scoped but not all vets have the equipment so you may have to haul to a teaching university or hopsital to have it done. I was recently told cost here was about $200. I was also told that scoping is not neccessarily conclusive.



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horsecrazi
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2008-02-10 1:50 PM (#76544 - in reply to #76491)
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What is the dosing for the pills from pony meds?I did visit that site when I was googling ulcers in horses .
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Posted 2008-02-10 4:30 PM (#76553 - in reply to #76491)
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We were giving 1 pill with morning feeding and 1 pill with evening feeding. I crushed them with a pill crusher, added a little water to dissolve the pill, and added pancake syrup so it would stick to the feed.
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Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-02-10 9:53 PM (#76584 - in reply to #76491)
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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-02-10 11:14 PM (#76585 - in reply to #76491)
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I just switched all my horses over to Seminole Calm and Cool.  It was called Seminole/Spillers Cool mix. Stuff smells so good I had to try some, tastes perty good. I have one somewhat picky eater who dosen't like changes but loves to eat and she chows down on this stuff. Foot goes to pawing, just tearing it up but not bolting it. Lots of herbs in it, fenegreke, speariment, ground flax, garlic, red clover, etc. Point being, maybe she dosen't like what you are feeding. Just a thought......
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horsecrazi
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2008-02-11 4:00 PM (#76644 - in reply to #76491)
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I was thinking she wasn't licking what I was feeding that is why I switched her to sweet feed.
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Reg. May 2005
Posted 2008-02-11 4:57 PM (#76647 - in reply to #76491)
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Have her vet checked. It'll eliminate any guesses.....
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Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2008-02-11 9:43 PM (#76672 - in reply to #76491)
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If the horse is "100% healthy", why are you worrying?

Just wondering

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horsecrazi
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2008-02-12 5:20 PM (#76737 - in reply to #76491)
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She is 100% healthy! I was asking if anyone had advice on how to get picky eaters to eat.Just thought someone might no a trick or 2 I could try.My mare is at her "Ideal" weight right now, but I always tend to like them a bit heavier in the winter.However with her not eating much just increasing her grain intake won't work if I can't get her to eat.She does eat some ,but won't finish her whole meal.The she will eat for long streches then decied she isn't that interested again.She now is going through the un-interested period,and would like to see her pick up a bit more weight.It is fustrating!
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Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-02-13 9:04 PM (#76819 - in reply to #76491)
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i recommend "ration plus" on their feed.  It will not make them eat more but it does help them process what they are eating more efficiently, so they get more out of it.
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Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-02-14 9:52 AM (#76851 - in reply to #76491)
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How much do you feed? In lbs. and quarts.  Do you feed once a day or twice a day?
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horsecrazi
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2008-02-14 6:56 PM (#76883 - in reply to #76491)
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I feed 2 x a day and they get 1 scoop both feedings I think it is 3qts also wet beet pulp at both feedings ,and unlimited free choice hay 24/7.The feed is highest fat they make 10% She is maintaining her weight would like to see her a bit heavier.
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Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-02-15 1:25 PM (#76923 - in reply to #76491)
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So you say you are feeding 3quarts grain, beetpulp, and hay for each feeding. That's alot of feed!!!!! No wonder she is not eating, she is not hungry. 10% fat feed should be a high quality feed I would think. I had my horses on 10% fat feed and changed because they were putting on to much weight for my liking.  I went with a better feed that is only 3% fat but it is higher quality and I feed even less.

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horsecrazi
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2008-02-15 6:45 PM (#76941 - in reply to #76491)
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I don't think 3 Qts is much at all.It is equivlent to maybe 3 small coffee cans.I have worked at many horse farms and seen horses eat way more.I also have another horse that was on the same thing and at every last drop.I have always heard that horses do not know when they are full,that is why sometimes when they get into the grain bin they will eat the whole 50lb bag and founder them selves?I put a little pancake syrup in her feed and she is eating it again.
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