Posted 2013-08-05 11:06 AM (#153834 - in reply to #153831) Subject: RE: 2008 Cimmaron Norstar 3 Horse
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Without knowing the exact weight of the trailer- My guess it is around 9500- without- horses, tack, food, water, etc. That said I believe you would be over the - rated cargo carrying capacity- for the 3/4 ton truck. Secondly you didn't mention if you have a duramax in your truck?? If you have a duramax you can deduct probably 800 lbs from the cargo carrying capacity- right from the start.
Posted 2013-08-07 2:10 PM (#153885 - in reply to #153831) Subject: RE: 2008 Cimmaron Norstar 3 Horse
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It also depends on how your truck is configured. If you have a 3.74 rear end or higher, it might handle it. In your owners manual for your truck there is a section on towing and payload. You'll need to know your engine, rear end and transmission to figure it out. It will likely be very close to your upper end if not over.
Posted 2013-08-12 9:32 PM (#153975 - in reply to #153831) Subject: RE: 2008 Cimmaron Norstar 3 Horse
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Well if you have a Duramax in that truck , I would have to say no problem. We've been all over the country with a 3 horse 7 foot LQ Cimmaron with that same truck. We load it down too. We travel with 3 horses, 8 dog crates, 10 bird dogs, 55 gallons of water, and a week or more of grain and dog feed. Plus a generator w/ gas, troughs, stakes for all the animals , lawn chairs, 3 saddles. - you get the picture! I'll guarantee we make up for 3 feet of LQ with stuff. I think the truck will do fine. I do have air springs on the truck because I got tired of getting the bright lights put on me as we travel at night a lot and the springs leveled the truck back up. It pulled fine though before I installed the air springs.
Posted 2013-08-15 10:43 AM (#154026 - in reply to #153831) Subject: RE: 2008 Cimmaron Norstar 3 Horse
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I weighed my new rig yesterday to see if I needed a new truck now or could put it off until after harvest when I have money, and maybe tweak my tires, add an airbag booster, or something to get by. Cimarron 3 horse with 14' LQ and truck together (truck is GMC 2500 crew cab 4x4 with duramax) were right at 19,000 pounds. Some water on board, full fuel tanks on truck and generator, no horses or tack. The rear axle was 1000 pounds over rating of the truck and right at the rating for a 3500. Driving it, the handling was fine, but the truck was squatted and rode rough. I thought the Cimarron would be a lighter construction than my Sundowner Sunlite LQ trailer, but it's obviously not. LOL. My old trailer is a 3 horse, 8' wide with 6' sw Siesta LQ and is around 7500 empty. What puzzles me on the Cimarron weight is the GVWR is 14,000. Either I'm figuring the truck weight wrong, or the trailer will be overloaded with 3 horses.
Posted 2013-08-15 12:09 PM (#154032 - in reply to #154028) Subject: RE: 2008 Cimmaron Norstar 3 Horse
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Originally written by retento on 2013-08-15 11:22 AM
Your truck will weigh close to 8000#...
Lets see- total combined weight of truck and trailer 19,000 lbs >Estimated weight of truck 8000 lbs (19000-8000)= 11,000 ( Estimated weight of the trailer)>Gross vehicle weight rating for trailer 14,000> So if the trailer is rated at 14,000, your trailer weighs 11,000 -you have 3,000 lbs of payload in trailer with horses, tack, water, food etc.
Posted 2013-08-15 2:26 PM (#154034 - in reply to #153831) Subject: RE: 2008 Cimmaron Norstar 3 Horse
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Three 4 Luck... I'll be willing to bet that the 14000# GVWR doesn't include 20-25% tongue weight... Some mfg's just go by the trailer axle rating and use that for the GVWR, some include the 14000# + 25% of that 14000# to come up with a 17500# GVWR number which is probably more realistic...
Still too much weight on the truck for my liking... Bag it, block it, respring it of whatever, too much on a SRW at highway speeds.... I see a one ton dual wheel truck in your future..
I have a 6 horse head to head with 4 - 3750# tires which gives me a 15000# total trailer axle capacity on 2-8000# axles.. The trailer GVWR is 18960#... That's leaves 3960# for the hitch in the truck. I tow with a 2011 GMC 3500 ext. cab 4x4 Duramax/Allison. No squat, no sway, no bucking, no air bags or any aftermarket suspension help needed.
Posted 2013-08-15 3:14 PM (#154036 - in reply to #153831) Subject: RE: 2008 Cimmaron Norstar 3 Horse
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Yes, I was figuring about 8000 pounds for the weight of the truck. I bet you're right about the way they figured the GVWR and that it didn't account for tongue weight. I was definitely planning to upgrade to a Dually, I was just hoping to put it off. Even if we found G rated tires for the truck (which I don't think will happen) I don't think I'm comfortable with this truck pulling that trailer loaded.
Posted 2013-08-16 8:46 PM (#154061 - in reply to #154052) Subject: RE: 2008 Cimmaron Norstar 3 Horse
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Originally written by bjhouten on 2013-08-16 1:37 PM
I think if you look on the tag on the door of the truck it will tell you what it weighed out of the factory.
Yeah right....It was on the MSO, which most people never get to see as it goes straight to the title office. But definitely NOT on the truck in any way shape or form. As it is never on a trailer either.
Posted 2013-08-18 10:30 AM (#154084 - in reply to #153831) Subject: RE: 2008 Cimmaron Norstar 3 Horse
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What no one is saying anything about is tags. The truck may pull it fine but if the tags aren't good for the loaded weight, you are asking for a big ticket. Occasionally Tennessee DOT will set up close to popular campgrounds and weigh rigs as they come in. Easy tickets all day long. A standard tag in TN is good for 9000 pounds. My rig loaded weighs 19400 pounds so I have to run 20000 lbs tags.
Posted 2013-08-19 10:31 AM (#154106 - in reply to #154084) Subject: RE: 2008 Cimmaron Norstar 3 Horse
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Originally written by Arieldouglas on 2013-08-18 10:30 AMWhat no one is saying anything about is tags. The truck may pull it fine but if the tags aren't good for the loaded weight, you are asking for a big ticket. Occasionally Tennessee DOT will set up close to popular campgrounds and weigh rigs as they come in. Easy tickets all day long. A standard tag in TN is good for 9000 pounds. My rig loaded weighs 19400 pounds so I have to run 20000 lbs tags.
We don't have that here. The trailer gets permanent tags that pays for itself in 3 years and a light duty pickup gets plain tags.
2008 Cimmaron Norstar 3 Horse
