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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2012-12-04 3:27 PM (#148706)
Subject: STOP CHANGING YOUR OIL


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http://www.edmunds.com/car-care/stop-changing-your-oil.html?mktcat=maintenance-article&kw=stop+changing+your+oil&mktid=ob61762858&msite=w
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2012-12-04 6:05 PM (#148707 - in reply to #148706)
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On my previous 2003 and 2006 Powerstroke trucks, I had the oil analysed and found that it was safe to go 6,000 miles between oil changes and still have lots of useful life to the oil. My dealer usually put a 5,000 mile reminder on the windshield, including my current 2011 truck.

With my current 6.7L Ford the oil life minder has been poping up around 7,500 miles, The couple of oil analysis that I've had done, showed the oil was still good at that mileage, so I've decided to just follow what the command center recommends.  When these engines first came out, I got to read some comments from one of the chief design engineers at Ford. He commented that they had run the test engines and seen routine oil changes in the 12,000+ mile range with no problems and that they set the Oil Life minder at 75% of what they figured the oil life really was.

 

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2012-12-04 7:27 PM (#148708 - in reply to #148706)
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Oil is not like a fine wine that gets better over time. Instead, it ages at a rate that is influenced by driving conditions, fuel quality, engine age, motor oil quality and climate. If not changed in time, your oil will wither and fail to protect your engine.So, let’s take a close look at the oil on the dipstick. The oil should look smooth and glossy and somewhat transparent. If it has sludgy deposits or grainy particles of dirt, it’s time for an oil change. The same is true if the oil looks too thick, is too dark (opaque), and/or has a putrid rotten-cheese smell.If you still don’t know whether you need an oil change, consider doing a blotter spot test. http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/498/blotter-spot-test
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gonzo1066
Reg. Oct 2010
Posted 2012-12-04 9:05 PM (#148713 - in reply to #148706)
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I have been changing my oil at 8500 miles plus for the last 20 years in my Cummins Diesel trucks.  This all started when visiting my CaseIH tractor dealer.  They use the exact same Cummins engine in the tractors they build that is in my Dodge pickups.  CaseIH reccomends a 250 hour oil change and if you use CaseIH engine oil and Fleetgard filters they will warrenty that engine for 10,000 hours.   If you do the math 250 hours will add up to the 7500-9000 mile range in a vehicle.  You have to understand that that farm tractor is often ran for days on end at full throttle in the dust and dirt of agriculture.  Pickup truck use is easy in comparison.  We often follow old ideas on how often we need to change oil, the 3000 mile change is promoted by those that sell oil, not by those that build or repair the engines.
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2012-12-04 10:50 PM (#148714 - in reply to #148706)
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Most oil bases don't quickly break down. The additives wear out, are used up or burnt off, and become contaminated.

Many people don't realize that to run an oil for an extended length of time, the filter is the weakest link. A standard filter is not usually capable of providing proper filtration, whilst using synthetic oils for extended periods. There are now brands available, that have the internal capacity to properly filter a long lived lubricant.

The filter is as important to the longevity of the motor as is the oil.

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2012-12-05 7:47 AM (#148719 - in reply to #148706)
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The CJ-4 oil standard for diesel engines built after 2007 is designed to carry or suspend the excess soot particles that the egr introduces into the engine.  That oil turns BLACK in color with just a few minutes of use as it quickly picks up the soot in the engine. The suspended soot is supposed to be trapped by the filter as it passes through it.

I was on the road and needed an oil change. The local Ford dealer told me he was booked up for several days, So I stopped by Walmart and bought synthetic oil and had their people do the oil change. It was -25° outside, So I didn't want to be laying on the ground in a motel parking lot changing oil.  They didn't read the capacities and put 15 quarts in my truck ( vs the 13 required.)  They backed the truck out of the bay and gave me the left over oil. Since I bought 4 one gallon jugs of oil, 13 quarts would have left me one jug with 3 quarts left in it.  I had one jug with 1 quart in it.  I told them they had put too much oil in and they pulled the truck back in and drained the oil and put the correct amount in. The truck had been pulled out fo the bay and over to the customer service door and then back into the bay. Maybe 1-2 minutes of run time. Since they made the mistake, I personally witnessed their correcting the problem by standing there to watch the removal and replacement.  The oil that came out after 1 minute was absolute black.  The only thing I could think was that it just washed the color from the residule in the oil pan and off the small amounts that must be trapped here and there in an engine.  Point being color alone is not an indicator of good or bad oil.

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TTdogs
Reg. Oct 2011
Posted 2012-12-05 10:16 AM (#148723 - in reply to #148706)
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I have 148,000 miles on a 2008 dodge 6.7L. I run 5w-50 full synthetic oil in it. I have sampled every oil change since it was new. I am running 11,000 between oil changes with no problems and recommendation to increase. This is probably as far as I will push it. Most new engines and oils there is no need to change before 7,500 miles. You are just wasting money.

I go thru 200 gallons of 15w-40 semi synthetic a year in tractors and semi's and they are all running 250 hrs between changes with oil samples showing to increase intervals but, that is my limit.

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jdzaharia
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2012-12-05 2:42 PM (#148733 - in reply to #148714)
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the filter is the weakest link


That is what I've always thought, too. Should a person still change the filter at 3000-4000 miles? Or does everybody claiming longer oil change intervals just change the filter at the same interval?

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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2012-12-05 6:14 PM (#148745 - in reply to #148706)
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When I used to change at 3000 miles, a filter every other time.

Today, at 10,000 miles or "oil life sytem light"  .. full synthetic & filter.  Why keep a qt of used oil and a dirty filter in the system.  Plus I've got all the oil changing stuff out anyway.  Takes me more time to gather everything than actually changing the oil.

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2012-12-05 10:26 PM (#148748 - in reply to #148706)
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Purolator, Fram, Wix, Mobil! and Amsoil are a few of the suppliers, for filters that can be used for extended oil changes.

Most oil changes of less than 10K can use good name brands of a standard duty.

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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2012-12-06 8:22 AM (#148753 - in reply to #148706)
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I go by the oil life monitor on my GM gas vehicles, works out to about 8000 miles. I use Mobil 1 10W-30 full synthetic products (including filters) in all of the gas engines except the diesels, the Benz and the Honda Element. The Honda has a lifetime engine warranty, so the Honda dealer does the service and uses Honda 0W-20 engine oil. We go 10000 miles on the Mercedes Benz and it gets 8 quarts of Mobil 1 also at the Benz dealer. The tractors get changed once a year if they have run less than 200 hrs. All the diesels including the trucks get Mobil Delvac MX 15W-40.
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loveduffy
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2012-12-06 11:09 PM (#148779 - in reply to #148706)
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Thank you this will make me fill better about  not taken it so much
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riddenhardputawaywet
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2012-12-12 12:33 PM (#148853 - in reply to #148706)
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09 Ford smoker. I use regular dino oil and average between 30k and 35k for each oil change. Now granted those are the metric k's not miles. About 19,000 miles - 22,000 miles. No issues but I only own my vehicles for 4 years max.

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2012-12-13 10:36 AM (#148861 - in reply to #148706)
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I have a friend who is a mechanic at a Nissan dealership. He tells of seeing leased cars turned in after three years, with the original oil filters still in place. I wince at the damage that has been done to these motors, and how much of their long term life span has been jeopardised. The subsequent owners will pay the costs for this negligence.

My value and ownership of any tool or machine, is often measured in decades, and long term reliability is my major goal. Proper maintenance is less expensive than constant replacements.

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siseley
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2012-12-13 11:55 AM (#148862 - in reply to #148706)
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I am with you on this Gard. Whether it is my tractor, or my 1 ton diesel truck, I send a sample of oil to Blackstone Laboratories for analysis once a year. They have always said I am doing fine with oil change interval. With the exception of my tractor, which I have to change the oil and fuel filters more often, as I sometimes run in dusty conditions ( 35-45 hours). My large truck only is driven about 6000 miles a year now, so it always comes back from analysis in good shape. My daily driver is my Cherokee, and it gets Mobil 1 and a filter about 4500 miles, and has also been fine when tested.
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2012-12-26 9:01 PM (#148963 - in reply to #148706)
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http://www.lubricheck.com/ The digital 'blood tester' for your car...

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siseley
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2012-12-28 9:27 AM (#148988 - in reply to #148706)
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Paul;That is a very interesting device! I myself do my own oil changes, and have to dispose of used oil , so would love to have a way to have a "running account" of my oil contamination and acidity/alkalinity. Since my one problem is with silica contamination, I do wonder what the device would tell you. Perhaps that contaminate is going to be overlooked? Also the web site and video does not address coolant, or fuel contamination, or does it? I just sent Blackstone another sample of oil for analysis for my Dodge, so at $25 a pop, this gets expensive with several cars and tractor. They do send a very comprehensive readout of your oil and it's contamination and recommended interval for change.
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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2012-12-28 10:06 AM (#148989 - in reply to #148706)
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sisely ... I looked that their web site.  Not much information on their technology.

Here's a link to an article on oil sensor technology.  Doesn't sound like any current sensors can detect your dirt ingestion problem.

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/562/oil-change-filter-sensors

As a thought, when was the last time you looked at your air filter?  I ask because a mouse had chewed a hole in my truck air filter.  If I had depended on the trucks air filter differential sensor, I'd have been happy as a clam in my ignorance.

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siseley
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2012-12-31 8:24 AM (#149047 - in reply to #148706)
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Hosspuller;Yeah, I do watch the air filter pretty close, and even change it about every second oil change interval, or 12-15 thousand miles. In between changes, I take the filter out and shake it well to dislodge as much as possible. Here in the desert as I said, the silica is murder. Just a point here, the "oil soaked" type filters pass more dirt and stuff than the dry type. (YES, I have tried the K&N type filter, and found "dusting" in my turbo inlet!!!) Actually, a dirty filter cleans the air somewhat better than a new one, due to the restriction of flow. ( Not that I am advocating not changing )The "oil soaked" type filters do flow more air, but it stands to reason they also flow more nasty dirt.
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