Posted 2012-07-15 8:15 AM (#145596) Subject: Recharging AC Unit
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My AC doesn't run cold. I checked in to having it recharged, but was told you can't recharge rooftop units because they are sealed and that I would need to purchase a new one. Also told by someone else you could recharge one, but it wouldn't last.
Is this true? If it is, where is the best place to buy a replacement unit?
Posted 2012-07-15 9:11 AM (#145597 - in reply to #145596) Subject: RE: Recharging AC Unit
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I thought ours was not running cold. Had hardly been used over the years because we never had power where we camped... After being convinced it was broke for almost a year, I discovered I was turning the knob to the fan only position. Duh!!! Its not broke. Love to hear you find out the same thing. Those dang things are expensive!
Posted 2012-07-15 10:14 AM (#145598 - in reply to #145596) Subject: RE: Recharging AC Unit
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Most RV AC units have sealed cooling systems are are not made to be "serviced". There are no ports for recharging or taking pressure readings.
Many problems resulting in a low cooling effort, can be attributed to blocked air flows. The first area to check is the main filter under the shroud against the ceiling. It should be removed and cleaned. While it is out, look above it at the evaporator fins. They should also be cleaned with a vac, but be careful not to bend or damage the fins. The ducts on the shroud or running throughout the LQ, should also not be blocked in any way.
On the outside rear of the roof unit are many condenser fins. Make sure these are not bent or blocked. They probably are quite dirty, and spraying them with a cleaner will greatly help. The main shroud can be removed and the coils cleaned, but many people are intimidated with this process. Most RV dealers can handle this procedure.
If the unit seems to be running slowly, a check of the voltage at the plug should yield about 115V ac. Anything much under ~110V can start to effect the opperating efficiency.
The last thing to check, as was previously stated, it to make sure the controls are being properly selected. They can be a little confusing if you have an installed heat strip. Make sure the temp selector is all they way to "cold", and your function switch is at the "cool" selection.
There are many sources, brands and models of RV AC units available on line. Time spent there should provide which one to choose. The most expensive I've found are at the RV dealers.
Posted 2012-07-15 10:19 AM (#145599 - in reply to #145596) Subject: RE: Recharging AC Unit
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Originally written by Kesta on 2012-07-15 8:15 AM
My AC doesn't run cold. I checked in to having it recharged, but was told you can't recharge rooftop units because they are sealed and that I would need to purchase a new one. Also told by someone else you could recharge one, but it wouldn't last.
Is this true? If it is, where is the best place to buy a replacement unit?
True ... These units don't have charging ports built in. So a charging port will have to be installed... A vacuum pulled, and a new gas charge installed.
BUT , with a new charge port you haven't fixed the leak (Unless you're very lucky) so the new gas charge will leak out again.
Posted 2012-07-15 2:44 PM (#145600 - in reply to #145596) Subject: RE: Recharging AC Unit
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I had my father-in-law who is an HVAC guy look at our 10 year old roof top unit think it had lost charge causing poor cooling. His opinion is they rarely loose charge because the systems are so compact with few joints. But he brazed on a tap and confirmed the charge level was right. He found the compressor wasn't drawing enough amps, indicating it was not building enough pressure. I bought a new unit from PPL motorhomes, they had the best deals I found on a/c units.
Posted 2012-07-15 11:43 PM (#145607 - in reply to #145599) Subject: RE: Recharging AC Unit
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Originally written by hosspuller on 2012-07-15 10:19 AM
Originally written by Kesta on 2012-07-15 8:15 AM
<P>My AC doesn't run cold. I checked in to having it recharged, but was told you can't recharge rooftop units because they are sealed and that I would need to purchase a new one. Also told by someone else you could recharge one, but it wouldn't last.</P><P>Is this true? If it is, where is the best place to buy a replacement unit?</P>
True ... These units don't have charging ports built in. So a charging port will have to be installed... A vacuum pulled, and a new gas charge installed.
BUT , with a new charge port you haven't fixed the leak (Unless you're very lucky) so the new gas charge will leak out again.
BUT...
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The regulations require that CFC-12 and HCFCs be recycled. However, it is not illegal to use in-stock, recycled,
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Posted 2012-07-17 8:27 AM (#145636 - in reply to #145596) Subject: RE: Recharging AC Unit
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Yes, these units have no charging ports, however one can be added just like on every domestic refrigerator for the last 50-60 years. The most common type for this is a self piercing model that can be used to determine if the charge is low. If low, then look for leak, repair and solder permanent type access valve. If the unit is old you may want to consider replacing the entire unit. I have replaced several thru the years and have found PPL Motor Homes in Houston, TX to be the best bet for me. I am in very southern Louisiana.
Posted 2012-07-27 8:37 AM (#145890 - in reply to #145596) Subject: RE: Recharging AC Unit
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Before you replace the unit do a little cleaning. A roof top A/C unit has two coils. The one you can see from the outside is the condenser it cools the Freon. The evaporator coil is under the insulated compartment. You will be able to see it after you remove the outer cover. The evaporator is the coil that cools the air. The condenser is easy to clean with a garden hose and some 409. One side of the evap coil is open to the inside of the trailer which makes it more difficult to do without filling the house full of water. Once the evap coil is dry apply aluminum tape to the sides of the coil if it doesn’t have any to stop recirculation of cool air through the evap coil.
Posted 2012-08-19 9:07 PM (#146450 - in reply to #145596) Subject: RE: Recharging AC Unit
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Today I removed the shroud on the rooftop unit. It is very brittle and has a hole in it from hail. Hail has also damaged/crushed the condenser fins in several places on the rear of the unit. I took a pocket knife and have carefully straightened out about half of the damaged fins. I still have lots more to do, but hope to be able to finish this week. I will also take the unit apart inside and check/clean the filters. A temp check today showed the air temp to be about 47 degrees. I think 40 is what it should be. Hopefully, straightening the damaged fins and cleaning the filters will make enough of a difference for the unit to blow cold. I will update later.
Posted 2012-08-20 6:51 AM (#146457 - in reply to #145596) Subject: RE: Recharging AC Unit
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You can not look only at the discharge air temp. It will vary depending on ambient air temp, return air temp, etc. Generally you would want approx a 15-20 degree temp dirrerence from return air to supply air. 47 dergee discharge air is about as cold as you many want to see. If the air is 47 degrees, the coil temp is not far above freezing so you don't want to see it much colder. Make sure to clean the evaporator coil ( the one behind the filter )