Posted 2005-10-12 10:51 AM (#31629) Subject: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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Posts: 37 Location: Colorado Springs
Gettin' ready to pull the trigger on a Bison 8' wide, 3 horse, 10' Lq all aluminum trailer. Trailer light weight is 8900 lbs, and I'll be loading ~3000 lbs into it, for a trailer GVW of 11,900. I'll be pulling it with the Dodge 3/4 ton listed in sig. Trailer is way below the Dodge rating of a 13,200 lb trailer OK for this truck. Have seen these trucks hauling HUGE 5th wheel RV's- much bigger/heavier than this Bison.
Posted 2005-10-12 3:13 PM (#31640 - in reply to #31629) Subject: RE: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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Posts: 2958 Location: North Carolina
Originally written by roadranger on 2005-10-12 9:51 AM
Have seen these trucks hauling HUGE 5th wheel RV's- much bigger/heavier than this Bison.
Don't be impressed by the size of those RV trailers. Horse trailers have much more weight in their structure than an RV. Consider the cargo... Two or more 1500 pound beasts standing on 4 or 2 spots on the floor. The floor loading in an RV is nothing compared to that.
Run the "all" numbers from the truck and trailer manufacturers.
Make sure your hitch weight is within your payload too.
Posted 2005-10-12 3:38 PM (#31646 - in reply to #31629) Subject: RE: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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Posts: 1989 Location: South Central OK
You state your truck is slightly bombed...if you have treated it badly, you'll get your come-upins at the worst possible time.
Are your tires rated to carry this load?
Have you "run your numbers" as Hoss stated? Payload included?
If it is too much can you buy another truck? Or will you be streching your dollar to it's limit with this deal? If so I'd bail on the money problems first...you'll lose big money on the trailer if you try and sell it. Check the resale on Bison's...
I'd go slow and know EXACTLY what you are doing before you sign that bottom line.
Posted 2005-10-12 8:03 PM (#31667 - in reply to #31653) Subject: RE: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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Originally written by MIfarmbabe on 2005-10-12 3:13 PM
I was wondering what "slightly bombed" meant....could mean a lot things, but didn't want to go there.
LOL! Bomb = Better Off Modified Baby
It means there is a fueling chip for the diesel, a HD replacement clutch, bigger air filter, 4 in. exhaust, and 19.5 Rickson wheels w/Dunlop tires rated at 4500 lbs each, and 4 leaf 2500 lb helper springs in the rear.
This truck is currently hauling a 4100 lb truck camper and towing a 7000 lb bumper pull trailer with a combined overall weight of 19,000 lbs, for 40k miles so far.
I'm lookin' to go gooseneck to get weight off the truck- should loose about 1200 lbs this way. Yeah, I'd still be over the trucks GVW, but only half as much as I am now.
Can't get rid of the the truck, what with all of the time and money I've got sunk into it, so this gooseneck is the answer.
I was asking the opinion of this forum, as you guys (and gals) have the experience of gooseneck hauling, where NO one else does.
You mean nobody hauls these goosenecks around with a 3/4 ton truck?
Posted 2005-10-12 8:26 PM (#31668 - in reply to #31667) Subject: RE: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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Originally written by roadranger on 2005-10-12 7:03 PM
LOL! Bomb = Better Off Modified Baby It means there is a fueling chip for the diesel, a HD replacement clutch, bigger air filter, 4 in. exhaust, and 19.5 Rickson wheels w/Dunlop tires rated at 4500 lbs each, and 4 leaf 2500 lb helper springs in the rear. This truck is currently hauling a 4100 lb truck camper and towing a 7000 lb bumper pull trailer with a combined overall weight of 19,000 lbs, for 40k miles so far. I'm lookin' to go gooseneck to get weight off the truck- should loose about 1200 lbs this way. Yeah, I'd still be over the trucks GVW, but only half as much as I am now. Can't get rid of the the truck, what with all of the time and money I've got sunk into it, so this gooseneck is the answer. I was asking the opinion of this forum, as you guys (and gals) have the experience of gooseneck hauling, where NO one else does. You mean nobody hauls these goosenecks around with a 3/4 ton truck?
Having made my share of mistakes... be careful of the trailer neck-over height. if your truck is lifted over stock or even stock... with the wrong trailer, your tailgate or bed side is likely to be crushed.
Posted 2005-10-13 7:14 AM (#31689 - in reply to #31629) Subject: RE: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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Posts: 648 Location: Coconut Creek, FL
A friend of mine hauls a 3H GN LQ Steel Charmack (I think that's the brand) trailer with a F250 Diesel - don't know the particulars of the truck, but this trailer has gotta be very heavy. The LQ's are very large - probably 12'. They haul 2 horses and used to live in CA. Moved to Fla 2 years ago and travel around the state going to Mounted Shooting Matches. He's also traveled the SE. I do know he got an extender for the GN hitch as it was too close for comfort when turning. I can email him and find out more particulars on the truck.
Posted 2005-10-13 10:17 AM (#31702 - in reply to #31629) Subject: RE: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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When someone says something is in their sig, how do you see it? Haven't figured this one out yet. Also sometimes they will say there is a link at the bottom (?of their message or their sig, I'm not sure?) and I won't see that either. Help?
Posted 2005-10-13 11:27 AM (#31709 - in reply to #31668) Subject: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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Originally written by hosspuller on 2005-10-12 7:26 PM
Having made my share of mistakes... be careful of the trailer neck-over height. if your truck is lifted over stock or even stock... with the wrong trailer, your tailgate or bed side is likely to be crushed.</P>
I hear ya Hosspuller. These Dodge's already have a 5 in. tall block between the axle and springpack. There's no other lift on the truck, and the 19.5 tires are only 1/2 in taller than stock. I know Bison will do a 2 inch suspension lift on the trailer, and Dodge has a re-fit kit to swap the 5 in. blocks for 2.5 in. blocks...
What do you recommend for minimal gooseneck/truckbed clearance? 6 inches?
Posted 2005-10-13 8:51 PM (#31731 - in reply to #31629) Subject: RE: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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If you have a question about the actual weight of your trailer ask the dealer for a weight ticket from a scale. I have pulled a bison, 8900lbs. seems light. It might be heavy on the gooseneck for a 3/4 ton. If you have it weighted ask for total trailer weight and the weight on the axles.
Posted 2005-10-13 10:22 PM (#31734 - in reply to #31702) Subject: RE: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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Roadranger....I read your post and kinda got confussed for a bit....I replyed on the Dodge site about the load range of the tires...for a minute I was having a senior moment...
Originally written by cupid on 2005-10-13 8:17 AM
When someone says something is in their sig, how do you see it? Haven't figured this one out yet. Also sometimes they will say there is a link at the bottom (?of their message or their sig, I'm not sure?) and I won't see that either. Help?
Posted 2012-04-08 5:19 PM (#142899 - in reply to #31731) Subject: RE: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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I think you will be just fine. I have a F250 diesel and pull a 15ft short wall Lakota that is 8900 empty. It pulls it just fine. The only thing I added was an air lift kit to make it easy to level. It won't allow you to hall more weight but it does make it nice for balance and since I don't have a dually, it is better on corners.
We went to TX and back from St Louis with ours last month and had no issues.
Enjoy.
Posted 2012-04-08 5:21 PM (#142900 - in reply to #31731) Subject: RE: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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I think you will be just fine. I have a F250 diesel and pull a 15ft short wall Lakota that is 8900 empty. It pulls it just fine. The only thing I added was an air lift kit to make it easy to level. It won't allow you to hall more weight but it does make it nice for balance and since I don't have a dually, it is better on corners.
We went to TX and back from St Louis with ours last month and had no issues.
Enjoy.
Posted 2012-04-09 2:42 AM (#142906 - in reply to #31667) Subject: RE: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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Originally written by roadranger on 2005-10-12 8:03 PM
Originally written by MIfarmbabe on 2005-10-12 3:13 PM
I was wondering what "slightly bombed" meant....could mean a lot things, but didn't want to go there.
LOL! Bomb = Better Off Modified Baby
It means there is a fueling chip for the diesel, a HD replacement clutch, bigger air filter, 4 in. exhaust, and 19.5 Rickson wheels w/Dunlop tires rated at 4500 lbs each, and 4 leaf 2500 lb helper springs in the rear.
This truck is currently hauling a 4100 lb truck camper and towing a 7000 lb bumper pull trailer with a combined overall weight of 19,000 lbs, for 40k miles so far.
I'm lookin' to go gooseneck to get weight off the truck- should loose about 1200 lbs this way. Yeah, I'd still be over the trucks GVW, but only half as much as I am now.
Can't get rid of the the truck, what with all of the time and money I've got sunk into it, so this gooseneck is the answer.
I was asking the opinion of this forum, as you guys (and gals) have the experience of gooseneck hauling, where NO one else does.
You mean nobody hauls these goosenecks around with a 3/4 ton truck?
Larger wheels means you've LOWERED the effective rear end ratio...
Posted 2012-04-09 1:59 PM (#142927 - in reply to #31629) Subject: RE: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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we have a Cherokee, 3 stall slant with a 13 foot short wall and 8 feet wide. we pull it with a 2004 3/4 ton Dodge diesel. No problem. Good pulling truck, with the cummins engine. But hubby did put air bags on it, which really makes a difference. Hope this helps.
Posted 2012-05-18 8:18 AM (#144025 - in reply to #31629) Subject: RE: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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We have been pulling a Titan all steel 3h slant with 4.5' weekender lq and our 2 full sized horses (occassionally also with the 2 mini winnies in the 3rd stall for quick transport to vet clinics, into town for parades, etc) hay, water, supplies for some years with no problem using a 2000 Chev K2500HD with the tow/haul package. That trailer is a beast but still pulls nicely. I was shocked when I found that many of the newer aluminum lq trailers that are larger are lighter than my Titan. I didn't think it made that much difference. Get the dry/curb weight of the trailer then add all the other stuff - many places we checked don't have that off the top of their heads, only the GVRW I always make them go look it up when looking at new trailers.
Ideally, we would buy a new 1ton pickup too, but not everyone can afford the trailer and the pickup.
Posted 2012-05-18 9:38 AM (#144026 - in reply to #31629) Subject: RE: Bison 8310 and 3/4 ton pickup
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Since the original poster probably made his decision 7 years ago, We might get lucky and hear how it turned out.
But to other buyers considering these types of question. I suggest you hook up and run across a scale. If it over loads the rating of the truck ( in any of the several areas) Then sell the truck and buy a different one, There are tons of trucks for sale on the market, It would be very easy to sell the 3/4 and buy a 1 ton or even a dually of the same year and model and it wouldn't cost that much more. In fact I bet you could sell a 3/4 ton and if you were a smart used car buyer, Buy a same year dually for the same money.
Once the trucks are used. The difference in price between a 3/4 a 1 ton or a dually are almost non existant.
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