This seems as good of a place as any to get a questioned answered. I do not know anything about horse trailers so I am hoping to get some answers from knowledgeable people. Is there such a thing as a gooseneck horse trailer that has no enclosesure? This to me is a little inhumane but like I said I am ignorant on this subject.
Posted 2011-09-16 6:44 AM (#137565 - in reply to #137553) Subject: RE: trailer question
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Originally written by moosetracks on 2011-09-15 8:20 PM
That is exactly it!! Thank you so much. How is this an aceptable way to transport livestock?
This type of trailer is common where the temperature reaches 90+ degrees(Texas). To shield the livestock from direct sunlight, a canvass cover is attached to the top. The cattle are loaded touching each other, this type of trailer allows maximum air movement.
Posted 2011-09-16 8:59 AM (#137572 - in reply to #137543) Subject: RE: trailer question
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This trailer with a tarp over the roof and on the front face, is very commonly used in ranch country where you might haul cow horses from range to range and haul some cattle along the way. We have one somewhat similiar, can be very handy. The only thing I will do extra is put a fly mask on the horses for eye protection., and tie them along the side cowboy style like a slant minus the slant partitions, but these critters are pretty broke...but we have hauled a bunch of all size cattle over the years and no fly masks there, not one eye injury...but you know, if it can happen at all to a horse, it will!
Posted 2011-09-16 9:30 AM (#137573 - in reply to #137543) Subject: RE: trailer question
Location: Harvard IL
Thank you all for your replies I should have looked into this months ago. The first and only time I saw this was on the exspressway in Missouri 80 miles an hour this guy was going. 90 degree balmy day that produced a storm. No canvas. Hauling a horse and burro terrified everytime a semi passed. Made me sick. I do motorcycle trips and agree to the risk involed and understand what is approaching me, clearly they did not. Bikers know about hydration and the impact of wind in their face and torso. I observed for 10 miles or so then moved up along truck to see if there was any identification and there was not.
Since then I have read in it's entirety the laws for humane handling set forth by the USDA and truly this a poor example of husbandry and broke those laws.
I can't thank you all enough for helping me with this. I now have an app on my phone for the 'USDA-Office Information Profile System' at the touch of a finger I can pull up State, County and Representative with phone number. I travel alot and I see some ugly stuff. The sight of the horse and burro haunt me but now I feel more equipped and now I have a place to ask questions and get some answers from folks who seem to know what they are taking about.
Posted 2011-09-16 9:42 AM (#137575 - in reply to #137543) Subject: RE: trailer question
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While I do not condone cruealty to animals in anyway Inhumane treatment is in the mind of the individual. What you consider Inhumane is an acceptable practice in other areas.Usually horses hauled in this manner will face to the rear. As far as them being terrfied from traffic they will get used to it.
Posted 2011-09-17 8:09 PM (#137620 - in reply to #137543) Subject: RE: trailer question
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Give a horse a choice of a warm dry barn and more times as not he will stand out in the rain,sleet,snow. Give him fans and shade in 100 + degrees and he will probably be out in the sun grazing or laying down. While I admire your concern this is a pretty common practice. The problem with circumstances like this everytime it is reported and their is no reason for calling it just makes it that much harder to get authority's involved when it is necessary.
Posted 2011-09-19 11:13 AM (#137660 - in reply to #137543) Subject: RE: trailer question
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Ok, have to put my two cents in. I think that you are trying to do what you feel is right. But what you don't understand is horses are a business to some. Although your intentions are to be kind, who are you being kind to? The horse that is there to do a job? Some people make thier livelihood with these animals. They are well cared for, eat better than you and I, have many days off, more than humans, and the horse loves to have a job. Or are you trying to ease your own conscious?
That kind of trailer has a purpose that is as real as any other form of transportation. No reason to reiterate what has already been stated earlier.
It is extremely unfortunate that you feel you have the need to contact authorities when you see something like this. When you do not have all the information or understanding of our industry. Speaking to a few does not constitute being educated enough to make this kind of decision. There are always the few who think they can make decisions or choices for others. Be careful YOU do not become one of those people. You do not have the right to tell any of us what is appropriate care for our animals, nor would you know how to protect or care for them.There have been laws set up to protect these animals. There will always be those who choose not to follow those laws. But that is everywhere with everything.
We that live and breathe this industry have found it very hard to make a living or to even continue to do what we love because of the mindset of individuals like yourself.
Make no mistake, we all love our animals very much and as stated before most of these animals get treated better than we do. And we would not have it any other way.
Posted 2011-09-19 12:19 PM (#137666 - in reply to #137543) Subject: RE: trailer question
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DITTO;
We haul horses in the trailers you are referring to and also in an enclosed Kiefier with living quarters and I can tell you those horses were better off in that stock trailer than in any $70,000, horse trailer.
Posted 2011-09-19 12:44 PM (#137668 - in reply to #137543) Subject: RE: trailer question
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Anyone remember the opening scenes from the movie "HUD"?? Horse traveling in the open stock trailer with his work cloths on!! No fly mask, no screens, no roof, NO PROBLEM....!! Sure wish I had a time machine...!!
Posted 2011-09-19 3:15 PM (#137671 - in reply to #137543) Subject: RE: trailer question
Location: Harvard IL
FIRST OF ALL...dallyup and everyone else taking my questions out of context. I came on this forum to gather information from those of you who have the hands on experience that I seek.
If I was an ass I wouldn't be asking now would I. Don't assume that what I have seen in the past through the cousre of time,would be pacifing my own pollyanna needs to persue reform.
There are all kinds of people out there with various levels of skills and motivation. Don't we all know that.
So get off your high horse so to speak and contribute in the fashion of those who first commented in a constructive way. I believe I have found the necessary information I sought so I guess I am done here.
Posted 2011-09-19 3:21 PM (#137672 - in reply to #137671) Subject: RE: trailer question
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Posts: 211 Location: El Paso, Texas
We call those the Pony Prison trailer down here, (cuz of the bars) see them all over the place with saddled horses, which tells me thay are not going too far. Wish I had one. Oh, remember the movie Rounders, the horse riding in an open pickup. Those were the days !!!!
Posted 2011-09-19 3:42 PM (#137674 - in reply to #137543) Subject: RE: trailer question
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Posts: 165 Location: Western Ar
It would appear to me that dallyup is sick of this whole PETA, Humane Society hypocritical crap along with a lot of other people makeing a living in agricultural that doesn't have a clue to taking care of an animal. Of all the money they have collected I would bet they have not done one thing to help the people in Texas,Oklahoma,Arkansas in getting hay to the area but they will be the 1st one beating on your door if they are not taken care of a certain way. Like I said I commend you for asking different perspective's on this subject but I also know people in our area are getting sick and tired of all these stupid government regulations that does nothing but create more problems than it solves. I also understand in your area Horses are considered pets but in our area they are a tool. Not trying to villianize you at all its just a touchy subject.
Posted 2011-09-19 3:59 PM (#137675 - in reply to #137543) Subject: RE: trailer question
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I might also add that with the concern that you have you might look into a couple of faith based organizations that are buying hay around De Moine Ia and are collecting donations for hay to ship to texas where the drought and fires were the worst to try and help those people out. A lot of those people are in real trouble. Just Sayin
Posted 2011-09-19 4:16 PM (#137677 - in reply to #137543) Subject: RE: trailer question
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Horse and donkey together...maybe they were coming from a wild mustang adoption. Don't they require the new owners to pick them up in a "stock trailer"???
Posted 2011-09-19 9:29 PM (#137684 - in reply to #137672) Subject: RE: trailer question
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Originally written by Rostrenga on 2011-09-19 3:21 PM
We call those the Pony Prison trailer down here, (cuz of the bars) see them all over the place with saddled horses, which tells me thay are not going too far. Wish I had one. Oh, remember the movie Rounders, the horse riding in an open pickup. Those were the days !!!!
Posted 2011-09-19 9:48 PM (#137687 - in reply to #137543) Subject: RE: trailer question
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Back in the mid 60's and back that was the way a lot of the loggers would haul their teams here. At the end of the day they said they would beat you to the truck and be loaded waiting on them.
Posted 2011-09-19 11:45 PM (#137690 - in reply to #137687) Subject: RE: trailer question
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Originally written by doughbelly on 2011-09-19 9:48 PM
Back in the mid 60's and back that was the way a lot of the loggers would haul their teams here. At the end of the day they said they would beat you to the truck and be loaded waiting on them.
In VT, a good team of Drafts will NOT go out for ONE MORE...if they know it is time to go home...
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